scififilmnerd said:

Smartass

Pulling High, if it even existed, was a smart move (a rare thing). Some good tracks, but as an album, weak!

I like the tracks rumored to be for "High" a lot!

scififilmnerd said:

I've been around Just didn't sign in as much as I used
to. But it seems I'm back now. Part-time for the moment,
but I'll launch another full on posting assault soon ...

Good to see you guys and girls again!

scififilmnerd said:

And U Make My Sun Shine would?...

Sorry, but if he had released HIGH we would have gotten a commercial album that failed to chart (like Rave) and would have left lots of critical music lovers disappointed once again.

With TRC, he released a challenging record that was never supposed to become a hit. So, he was spared the anticipatory criticism, while finally giving the music lovers somenthing FRESH. And that was a relief to me.

Now don't misunderstand me scififilmnerd , I DO think HIGH is a much better collection of songs than Rave.

PS: There are various tracks that ARE catchy; Muse, The Everlasting Now, 1+1+1 is 3, Mellow. But there are also classic pieces of music (like the coda to Rainbow Children, the various changes in Family Name, Last December, The Sensual Everafter, and THAT's what makes this record interesting to me. It just isn't a "hit record", like you seem to look grade it.

Peace!

Ok

I am going to go out on a limb here & say that I like Rave, High & TRC (omg, can that be possible ? YES!).
In order of preference, not sure. I would say personally TRC comes first, followed by HIGH then RAVE.
I think a mix of some tracks from RAVE & some from HIGH & we could have had a complete Killa CD to compare with GOLD.
Anyway, that's my opinion as pointless as it probably is, oh! & I can't wait to get TCI box set next month(YAY!).


Take Care

Jolajeph

scififilmnerd said:

Was emancipation not released then?

antoon said:

word.

scififilmnerd said:

I think u want to remove the letters r p and e and r from 'proper'. It would suit your arguments much better (and consequently you wouldn't be exposing your igorance).

yaddy, yaddy, yaddy

Man everyone is so hard on Rave - jeez, it ain't THAT bad!

Personally I always felt that a really strong commercial album would have combined the best trax on Rave and the best trax from rumoured High plus Beautiful Strange as the title track (because I personally do not like the trax Rave and High).

How about the following track list:

1. Vavoom
2. Supercute
3. The Greatest Romance Ever Sold
4. Tangerine
5. So Far, So Pleased
6. The Sun, The Moon and Stars
7. Daisy Chain
8. U Make My Sunshine
9. When Will We Be Paid
10. Everyday Is A Winding Road
11. Man 'O' War
12. Baby Knows
13. Love U, But Don't Trust U Anymore
14. When I Lay My Hands On U
15. Beautiful Strange
16. Prettyman

Missing trax as b sides with trax like Undisputed and Hot Wit U as trax on a 1-800-NEW-FUNK Vol 2

P.S. I would really love TRC without the voiceover!

swiftyweb said:

Not the initial one-disc album from '95. The triple from '96, sure.

vivid said:

Ignorance of what?

Now, did I say that High was the best thing this side of Lovesexy or something? No, I compared it to Emanciation '95. It does have its weak points. So yeah, I doubt it would have fared much better than Rave on the charts, although I do think it is slightly better than Rave.

All I'm saying is that I personally like it better than TRC and I think it would have fared better than TRC did. I think Vavoom might have been a minor hit - not TMBGITW levels, just fared reasonably well.

Like Antoon said, I am talking commercial appeal here. Or as Vivid would have it - gasp! - pop.

Anyways, following TRC, I was more or less convinced that Prince no longer knew how to write a good song or anything that wasn't derivative of his own past work, so High was a positive surprise for me, because there's some actually good songs on there that doesn't ALL sound like more of the same old.

IstenSzek said:

IstenSzek...

scififilmnerd said:

Sorry to burst your bubble but there is no "High" album...
Check this thread for some details...

http://www.prince.org/msg...msg_986252

Neversin.

Neat. I still like what's on my "fanmade" High album, though.

Never heard of Peace before. Any new info on that?

scififilmnerd said:

why are u always talking about endless jamming? i guess anything by James brown or any Jazz song would be endless jamming to u. Relax your mind. Songs don't have to be 3 minute dittys. When i heard the title song to TRC i understood Prince was doing something on that album that he hadn't done before. Some of u need to open your mind a little.

scififilmnerd said:

It's a cool ditty (imho) by the NPG; could have been on Exodus I'd say. One of the first NPG tracks after the Artist had changed his name back to Prince. (maybe after 2045: Radical Man, I'm not sure...) You should check it out! It's like a cross over between Big Fun, Vavoom, Pheromone. A little 'flat' like these songs (if you know what I mean), but a more ol'fashion sounding. Fun and catchy! (There is that word again scifi! )

It has a funny intro & outro with Prince and I think it's Johhny Lang (of the Rave concert film).

Larry Graham is also performing.

Lyrics:

Artist - somebody didn't hear me
(What'd he say?)
Artist - formerly known as Prince
You gotta get your peace on
Peace, whoa oh
Peace
That's what we're here for
And not to war

When the war upon people of color thru needles
Designed to disease instead of relieve
When it ceases
I'll be a man of peace
(Say what)
When this mask of vendetta
Like tears on the face of Coretta
Roll down and go away
I'll be happier
(Happier)
I'll be a man of peace

Everybody say!
Peace, whoa oh
Peace
That's what we're here for
(That's what we're here for)
And not to war

When the time that we spend
Watching TV depends on
Whether or not it destroy or transcend
Then I won't need
(I won't, I won't)
Won't need a warranty
When the power of the hour is not yours but is ours
And the faces we see reflect all that we be indeed
There'll be a jubilee

Everybody say
Peace, whoa oh
Peace
That's what we're here for
(That's what we're here for)
And not to war
Bass

(Talkin' about freedom)
The rewards that we share will be based on what's fair
And not the curliness or the thick of our hair
Real competition, if you dare!
Music is our middle name
And we don't wanna play your game
So when the mergers you make are with us
And you take a fair slice of the cake
That we bake then you break
That would be real cool
But y'all wanna act like fools!
(What's up with that?)
Can't we all just get along?
And have peace, whoa oh
Peace
That's what we're here for
And not to war
Peace
Peace
Peace, whoa oh
Peace
That's what we're here for
And not to war

In case some of y'all didn't hear it right
I didn't call him, his name wasn't the artist
Artist, Artist
Artist - every syllable must be heard
Artist - formerly known as Prince
You got to get your peace in
Y'all tryin' to start something up in here

Gosh, Antoon. Thanks.

tricky99 said:

Some of his best tracks - like most of 1999 - is a mile long. The difference is they have structure throughout and may stray but always return to wrap up the melody (or doesn't leave it at all) - they work their way to a destination.
By "endless jamming" I mean wandering off aimlessly with little to no structure, like on 1+1+1 Is Three. When it strays from the melody, it is quite obvious that it doesn't work it's way towards any destination.
You can compare it to a story. When you write, you set a goal/a conclusion that you write your way towards. You may stray along the way, but having that point that you are working towards gives readers a feeling that there is a point with what is going on along the way - that they are reading (watching, if a movie) something that is building towards a climax.
The same applies to songwriting - you take the listener on a journey that has a conclusion.
Apparently, Prince is now "writing" a lot of songs without any conclusion in mind and it shows. He makes it up along the way/jams - "endless jamming". Get it?

Now, I would usually say each to his own and all that, but I'm sorry, this guy is just plain wrong.

The musicianship on TRC is clearly far superior to anything on the so-called High album. That surely is not open to debate. U can't compare the songs played by the tight band on TRC to the slick, but basic arrangements on High.

So now we're not discussing that, what are we discussing? Lyrics? Ok, so some people don't like TRC's lyrics. This I can at least understand, but please, don't ever try to claim that musically most of High is anything other than quick filler that Prince can play in his sleep.

I don't want to sound aloof, though I probably will, but I doubt that any musician u could find would ever say High is musically superior to TRC. That is a fact, as sure as anything could be a fact. It's pure science folks. TRC is played damn well. High is played adequately.

Please, anyone, raise your hand if u think otherwise. I would love to know what u have to say.

Catchy songs? Who really wants 'catchy' especially at the expense of quality? The whole point of TRC is that it's funky, has soul, is played tightly, and is an album to be proud of. The fact that it also has songs catchy enough to do moderately well if marketed right is by the by. I don't care how many copies it sells. It has no bearing on how good it is. I have my copy. That's enough for me.

U'd rather Prince released Vavoom and let something mediocre like this represent him to all the people who have forgotten about him?

I'd rather he keeps making good music for those of us with the ears to appreciate it.

High is mostly average pap. TRC is very good. TRC was the first thing in a long time which I felt was worthy of the name Prince. It's good and it always will be, for years to come. There is no way in hell that the High material will have any lasting effect in years to come. Surely that is obvious?

As for this 'song is a story' stuff? There are no rules when it comes to music. Scififilmnerd, u seem to have a very set in stone view of how a song should be, so I'd warrant your CD collection is pretty dull. Live a little. Perhaps buy some Herbie Hancock Headhunters era stuff, or maybe Marvin Gaye's "Here My Dear".

fauxnewbie said:

Well, duh... It didn't get released, so obviously not.

As for TRC, it may be well-played crap, but it's still crap. The "lyrics" are awful, the "songwriting" is awful, and musically it treads or breaks no new ground for Prince.

I figure that whomever did TRC figured that since Prince changed his name to o)+> , nobody would mind if he called himself Prince and released a poor man's imitation of Prince called The Rainbow Children.

If you dig it, good for you. I've got music by the real Prince I can listen to, so you're welcome to TRC.

As for High, yes I think it is better than TRC, but then - what isn't?

Anyways, the album is probably old news to most of you, I just felt like sharing my positive reaction to this unreleased gem, is all. [/quote]


What in the hell is "High"?
Man i'm missing the boat

CAMILLE4U said:

11 tracks and only 1 ballad, no this ain;t real!

scififilmnerd said:

I have that real music too. It's called Dirty Mind, Sign 'O' The Times etc. It most certainly isn't called High.

Prince has had ups and downs in his career. The lowest low would certainly involve NPS, Rave and the High material. Admittedly, High is probably better than these other two, but it's still down there.

The org has already spoken on this issue anyway. The org cannot be overruled. Resistance is futile.

TRC did break new ground for Prince. Where had he played in a similar fashion. Certainly not on the Madhouse stuff. If u think that is the same sound u need your ears cleaned. Nothing Prince had done before TRC had the same sound.

Funny. Your org name and your liking for the High material are two things which seem very compatible. Maybe it's just my judgmental nature here, but I don't know any scifi nerds who appreciate good funk, soul and jazz.

Wait, that's kinda silly to say. But, if I may ask, what other music do u like listening to? Are u a rock kinda person, or do u like pop or jazz or, well, what do u like?

scififilmnerd said:

the difference between 'pop' and 'proper' songs.

fauxnewbie said:

Well, then we're practically in agreement - except that I think TRC is an ultra-low point, lower than NPS, Rave and the High material.



I covered this further up in the thread, but here it is again, just for you: "The title track sounds like an after show jam with the Lovesexy band, Mellow, She Loves Me For Me, The Work and The Last December would have fit smoothly on Emancipation ('96), 1+1+1 Is Three sounds like Erotic City, Family Name sounds like a Newpower Soul leftover and Wedding Feast is as silly as Graffiti Bridge (the track, not the album)."



Yes, it is.



Check my profile. It's a rather mixed bag, but certainly rock is in there.

scififilmnerd said:[quote]

I covered this further up in the thread, but here it is again, just for you: "The title track sounds like an after show jam with the Lovesexy band, Mellow, She Loves Me For Me, The Work and The Last December would have fit smoothly on Emancipation ('96), 1+1+1 Is Three sounds like Erotic City, Family Name sounds like a Newpower Soul leftover and Wedding Feast is as silly as Graffiti Bridge (the track, not the album)."


Not at all. None of those tracks would fit on Emancipation because the sound is very different. Emancipation had a lot more synth stuff on it, and generally a poppier feel about it. Some of these tracks are quite light admittedly, but they have a sound which is very much TRC.

More real playing of real instruments, and less lightweight synthesised crap. Emancipation is largely awful because of the terrible choice of sounds, as in Courtin' Time.

TRC is something different altogether. It's a band playing good music.