Romance1600 said:

i fucking love those songs!!! i think theyre great! plus, isnt there funky house version of 1999 on the new masters, i know everyone hates that cd, but i heard like 30 seconds of that version and i thought it was good!

this is Muzik magazines article on Prince and how he helped lay the foundations of dance music.
As written by MARK HOOPER.

U SEXY MF


Slave,'squiggle',the purple pixie,TAFKAP,his royal perviness...or just plain old Prince Rogers Nelson.

The most influential man in music at the start of 2003 isn't Neptunes or even Simon Cowell.Its Prince,the artist formerly known as or the Purple One.Prince's chart bothering days may be behind him,but his influence on the cutting-edge of music has never been greater.
Prince's legacy can still be seen every time a musical saviour turns up to rid us of factory produced shit-pop.
Despite ostensibly having little to do with house or hip-hop,his influence is stamped all over such new messiahs;Felix Da Housecat,Playgroup,Outkast,Basement Jaxx,The Neptunes,Gonzales,Missy Elliot,and Neptunes- all have admitted the debt they owe to the mini Minneapolian.In recent years,DJ's have noticed that 'Controversy',from 1981,is at house tempo and still sounds fantastic today,while bootlegs of his work appear weekly.
In 2002,avant-dance types fromPeaches to Blue States queued up to pay tribute on Rex Records' 'If I Was Prince'compilation.
"When i was a teenager,he was way ahead of everyone else"Simon Ratcliffe of Basement Jaxx anounced upon release of their purple-tinged album 'Rooty'."Like him,we're fusing black and white music,trying to create a funky,sexy,fantasy world."
Prince has always been a trail-blazer.He unleashed the politicised,funking furious,sexual overdrive of 'Sign O' The Times' upon the MOR musical wasteland of 1987.It was the sound of a genius at the top of his game,mixing avant-garde wordplay with everything from James Brown soul and Bruce Springsteen rock to Beatles psychedelia.There were songs about schoolgirls with starfish in their packed lunches;songs where he fantasised about being his girlfriend's girlfriend to the point where his vocals morphed into a woman's.The title track despaired at the spread of AIDS,crack and gun violence,yet went Top Ten.
Today,16 years after that seminal album,you could be excused for thinking that the same Prince isn't there anymore,buried as he is under squiggles and company wrangles,surrounded by sycophants in Paisley Park,busy testing the loyalty of his fans(thats us) with internet-only albums and bootleg collections at £50 a pop.But that isnt the point.Why does he need to better himself when no-one else has?
Yes,he was way ahead of everyone else when Basement Jaxx were teenagers:he still is.Like George Best and Peter Cook,Prince acheived so much in his youth,it's ridiculous to complain about what he is doing in his forties.
To find Prince's true musical peers,you really do have to look up in the clouds.He was that good.Never mind that he ripped them off wholesale - talent borrows,genius steals.It's no coincedence that Prince gave hip hop a wide berth;it was as if the idea of sampling his heroes' riffs was an insult to someone who'd dedicated their life to perfecting them.
Prince was the real thing.He was once called 'The devils answer to Michael Jackson,' a man who equated sex with spirituality,who announced his arrival in leopard-skin bikini briefs,suspenders and a mac.He was also pop in it's purest form.He stood for fun,danger and perfectionism.
If you really want to put things in perspective,consider that Jacko comparison again,and tell us today who the real King Of Pop is.

i posted this a while back interesting nonetheless!

FunkMistress said:

Thanks. You got there before I did. I was going to say the same thing. I remember seeing this on the Gett Off video and thought, hey this mix is sweet.

Very "house"

muirdo said:

Thanks for posting it, I do have that issue, but for those who haven't seen it.

Makes you kinda sad, considering he was once on the cutting edge, and now we get SNOOZE.

Oh well, leave cutting edge to the young and fresh, not the acomplished and old - he's proven his worth.

Giovanni777 said:

I dont see any influence from P on house music.
I think you overestimate his influence on club culture.
House music has more influence by Jazz than by Prince.

daned said:

Creative Use 001 : The Bootleg Of Dorothy Parker (Creative Use)

VinoDaMusica said:

hypno-peanut butter.

soulpower said:

Real jazz was not a direct influence on house, DISCO and POP were the main influences.

And Prince definitely influenced house music, just listen to early Chicago house from Jamie Principle, Blake Baxter, Fingers Inc., Dj Pierre & Felix da Housecat (Felix always mentions Prince as one of his biggest influences, u can read it on his own record sleeves). Just listen to early house, it sounds like Prince playing with a Roland TR-808 drum machine.

Hell man i even have some of the earliest Chicago house 12inches (the early 8ties), those have several Prince samples (Let's Go Crazy, Something In The Water, All The Critics) on it. Last saw an interview with Felix Da Housecat and he said: "Prince is the man, my main influence" and he started playing Purple Rain on the piano

Prince did not only influence dance music, he created his own sound: isn't he the dude that fused funk, pop, electronic... and everything in between.

familygroove said:

soulpower said:

I'm listening to the Essential Sly & the Family Stone right now! I was reading the liner notes and I immediately thought about Prince:

“Understand this: there was no precedent for S&TFS. Back in 1967, when the interracial, mixed-gender combo burst onto the scene with their aptly-titled debut, A Whole New Thing, the burgeoning rock & roll subculture was , as always, hungry for fresh kicks and different sounds. But no one was quite prepared for the magical, multi-faceted musical mix Sly and company served up. Their music was an inspired blend of rock, soul, pop, jazz, and an emerging genre soon to be dubbed funk. It packed a powerful, joyous wallop, delivering all the things one hoped to find in music: the thrill of the new, the excitement of the unexpected, a galvanizing groove, and lyrics that actually said something. ”

The notes go on to say that Sly had been a DJ and record producer before putting together S&TFS.

If you ask me, Sly influenced house music! j/k

Prince influenced House?... BWAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WAIT WAIT WAIT... HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH STOP IT YA KILLIN ME... BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.. PP moderators argue with me and refused to believe prince was a "Disco Artist" which he was. and they refused to belive it, Prince tried his hand at House and Botched it.Badly what it is that House is so easy to create. for prince being that its too easy.it comes out bad sounds funny i know. he doesnt feel house at all. to create a house track u have to be inspired by House Artists to get the feeling of what House is.

The Most Beautiful Girl in the World has a great house version... Beautiful!!!

I have been saying this for years! Imagine throwing a bunch of songs and a couple of DJs together and letting them go to work. IT would be fantastic. Prince's attempts at house are huge failures. I always thought he could do better.

Speaking of house, does anyone know where I can get ahold of "Dubbreak" by LSD?

Anyone interested in trading house/dance music? Orgnote me...

Finess said:

I'm feelin ya.
Waddup brotha Finess?
All solid?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

No, but I know where you can score some LSD

Finess said:

I agree in part - which is why things like The Human Body and Hypno Paradise sound amateurish and just not representative of the genre they try to explore.

No one's saying Prince was the father of house, but he was undeniably an influence.

The non-single tracks of 1999, Controversy, and some of Lovesexy/Black album era has a House influence and has influenced.

How can U say Prince wasn't an influence in house music? It's a drag that his house remixes were so-so, but he did absolutely influence House, which once again, sprouted from Disco, which was simplified Funk.

And another thing... Prince DID create his own sound, despite his diverse influences. I listened to Sly, Parliament, JB, etc. etc. before I heard Prince. He summed up a lot of influences, but CLEARLY forged his own sound.

Peace.

G.

Romance1600 said:

finally someone who's making sense!


but i forgive those of u who don't have
the same musical knowledge i have

Giovanni777 said:

thanx G.!

soulpower said:

everything's Mellowww s'appenin with u man aint seen u in a minute...

Prince didn't inspire the Gregorian chant; remember Solo? lol

I don't know if the american and european names for what is
considered "house" music line up perfectly, but for me, as a
european, I always considered these quite house-like

The Future [extended remix]
Ethereal Mix [from Cream maxi single]
Lemme See That Body (Get Loose!) [original dubbed version]

Finess said:

You can be an influence on a genre without actually being an INNOVATOR in the genre. James Brown and Parliament had NO IDEA of hip-hop, but they helped influence it tremendously. Nor did Prince have any idea he would influence house, but I have been listening to house for a long time, and you can't tell me that "All The Critics" couldn't be played in the club right now. You're right in the fact that P can't actually make good house music, but if you say he didn't influence house (but somehow managed to influence virtually every other genre of modern music), I'd say you're kidding yourself.

I remember buying the 12" on 'Cream' way back in the 90's. I was really surprised at the sounds that he was trying to dig at the time.

Coming from the UK, most of the house tracks were acid-influenced (plenty of sites on the 'net for an explanation) at the time and it was really fresh when Prince was diggin this vibe at the time. Even now, the remixes sounds really new and it's a shame that these weren't played in clubs (unless I missed 'em).

I started clubbing way back in '91 and I remember the first Prince track I heard in club-land was Gett Off. The only other track I heard (and probably the last track I heard) was 'I Wanna Melt With U'.

I agree that some of Prince's music had that house vibe, sexy dancer,Just as long as we're together controversy, private joy, ect...I think his music for awhile was highly evolved disco.

I Must admit I was extremely disappointed when I bought the Electric Chair 12" and the b side was a remix of the same song. This marked the end of an era for me, this is when everything started to go sour. I'm sure he was just looking towards the future and finding a new way to market his music and capitalize on another aspect of the industry. I'm sure some here might not agree but from the time that single was released until now ALL of his b-sides SUCKED!

namepeace said:

familygroove said:

"Thanks . . . I'll be here 'til Thursday . . . Try the veal!"

namepeace said:

THANK YOU!

That song was WAY ahead of it's time!

dawntreader said:

I don't think that's the track somebodyssomenody is looking for. I know the house cut,as one of my fave DJs played that track out in the mid-late 90s...

BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME!

orgnote Violett, I think she'd have your answer!

First off, if there is to be a remix album, we need real DJ's. Granted, Prince has made an obvious techno/house song- or has everyone forgotten about Human Body from Emancipation. I haven't figured out why Warner Brothers or NPG hasn't done this yet. By the way, no three minute crap. We mean good shake your - tracks!!

Okay, my idea of excellent tracks to remix some with mention of a dj I think might work it over real nice. (They are not any kind of order)

1. High
2. Head - Lords of Acid
3. Shockadelica
4. Human Body - Danny Tengalia/Sweet Pussy Pauline
5. Melt wit U - Jonathan Peters
6. All the Critics love you in New York
7. Sister - Club 69
8. Rock n Rolls Alive - 9 inch Nails
9. Something in the Water (Does not Compute) - Eveything but the Girl/Massive Attack
10. Gangster Glam
11. Return of the Bombsquade
12. Irrestiable Bitch
13. Darling Nikki
14. Viloet Blue
15. Lovesexy or Positivity
16. Love Sign
17. Adore (Acid Jazz mix)