I'm telling ya, Lildragon is probably an executive who's out to get prince.
[This message was edited Mon Sep 1 12:11:51 PDT 2003 by Jem]

alandail said:[quote]
Also, just looking at the post warners studio albums, I see two disturbing trends.

96- Emancipation 742,030 (in us but counted as 2 million)
99- Rave Un 2 The Joy Fantastic- 688,212 (world wide)
01- TRC 289,045
03- NEWS- OVER 90,000 (so far)

Trend two, after complaining for years about his output being limited, Prince's output of studio albums has plummeted. 4 albums in 8 years. that's half the rate they came out with WB (and that doesn't even count the lack of remixes, b-sides). Sure, Emancipation was a triple album, but the did have a couple of double albums with WB.
/quote]

4 albums in 8 years? + Crystal Ball + The Truth + ONA Piano + ONA Live + Xpectation + Music Club year one + Rave In2.

Poor output from the man! Take out X and the downloads and you still have 15 seperate discs.

And lets not be forgetting the 2 DVD's Rave unto and Live in Vegas.

We might not be liking everything he does, but it's hugely unjustified to knock the amount that has been put out post warners.

I was talking from the perspective of the typical fan, not the diehards who have to collect everything. And for typical fans, there have only been 4 studio albums in 8 years. Crystal Ball was not a new studio album, it was a collection of out-takes and remixes.

The Truth was a studio album, but you had to buy Crystal Ball to get it. It should have been a separate release and should have been widely promoted. The Truth should have been a major commercial success on it's own, not some bonus disk thrown into a set intended for diehards only. Not releasing the Truth on it's own was probably the biggest commercial mistake Prince has made since leaving WB.

ONA Piano was a studio album, but again, the only way to get it was to buy the live set. And then it looks like a last second toss in instead of part of the package.

Xpectation was just a download when it should have both included Xenophobia and been an actual release like News. Or at least an actual CD for club members. Xpectation and NEWS are both better examples of things die hard fans would want that the general public isn't going to buy in large numbers.

Rave In2 doesn't really count as anything more than a cd maxi-single. We used to get one of those every couple of months with WB.

alandail said:

You know,this period (1993/94) was an exciting yet frustrating period to be a Prince fan.There was so much great music being recorded,but because of the feud with Warners,we either got it too late ('TGE'),or not at all ('The Undertaker').I think that Prince's main concern was just getting out of his Warner contract.He wasn't really interested in promoting this music.

lil' I think u r nuts.

alandail said:

Agreed.

alandail said:

Would a typical fan know that CB was vault material before they brought it?

Am I the only person that thinks The Truth is overrated?

Plenty of people got ONA piano seperately from the box set. NPGMC put it in with the box set to cover the people who didn't join the club in time for the early mail shots, so in those cases it was indeed a last minute toss in!

Personally I would far rather have the output we have had post Warners than the one album a year that we had with them.

2 Questions:

What are the New Masters, and Where is the Vault?

Wait a minute, are you talking about the 1999 New Master??

That sold 350,000 Copies!!! Oh my god!!

Also, isn't that a single? If so, what about Purple Medley?

At any rate, I don't care.

oops.
[This message was edited Mon Sep 1 13:10:02 PDT 2003 by TheEnglishGent]

lildragon I asked you this same question in another thread a while ago but never got an answer...are you the same lildragon from the MJJForum?

WhenDovesCry2003 said:

Which forum is that?

... Anyway I think he got booted from here

Osaka
Tokyo
Nagoya
Copenhagen
Empty Room_Live
Copenhagen [different take]
18 & Over
2Morrow
Acknowledge Me
An Honest Man
Calhoun Square
Cloreen Baconskin
Crucial
Crystal Ball
Da Bang
Days Of Wild: Free The Slave [Live]
Dream Factory
Good Love
Goodbye
Hide The Bone
Interactive
Last Heart
Lemme See Yo Body [Get Loose!]
Lovesign
Make Yo Mama Happy
Moviestar
Poom Poom
Ripopgodazippa
Sexual Suicide
She Gave Her Angels
So Dark
Strays Of The World
Tell Me How U Wanna B Done
The Ride
What's My Name?
Betcha By Golly Wow
Courtin' Time
Curious Child
Da, Da, Da
Damned If Eye Do
Dreamin' About U
Emale
Emancipation
Eye Can't Make U Love Me
Face Down
Friend, Lover, Sister, Mother/Wife
Get Yo Groove On
In This Bed Eye Scream
Jam Of The Year
Joint 2 Joint
La, La, La, Means Eye Love U
Let's Have A Baby
Mr. Happy
My Computer
New World
One Kiss At A Time
One Of Us
Right Back Here In My Arms
Saviour
Sex In The Summer
Slave
Sleep Around
Somebody's Somebody
Soul Sanctuary
Style
The Holy River
The Human Body
The Love We Make
We Gets Up
White Mansion
At Last…"The Lost Is Found"
Barcelona
Coincidence Or Fate?
Cutz
Kamasutra
Kamasutra/Eternal Embrace
Kamasutra/Overture #8
Promise/Broken
Serotonin
The Ever Changing Light
The Plan
North
East
West
South
Come On
Eye Like Funky Music
Freaks On This Side
Mad Sex
New Power Soul
Push It Up
Shoo-Be-Dooh
The One
Until Ur In My Arms Again
Wasted Kisses
When U Love Somebody
Cybersingel
Golden Parachute
Habibi
High
Hypno Paradise
Judas Smile
Jukebox With A Heartbeat
Mad
My Medallion
Northside
One Song
Peace
Pearls B4 The Swine
Props N Poundz
S&M Groove
Sex Me Sex Me Not
Silicon
Splash
Supercute
The Daisy Chain
The Funky Design
The Undertaker
U Make My Sun Shine
Underneath The Cream
Van Gogh
Vavoom
When I Lay My Hands On U
When Will We B Paid?
Y Should I Do That When I Can Do This?
The Rebirth Of The Flesh
Reflection
2045: Radical Man
The War
Beautiful Strange
Every Day Is A Winding Road
Hot Wit U
I Love U, But I Don't Trust U Anymore
Man'O'War
Pretty Man
Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic
Silly Game
So Far, So Pleased
Strange But True
Tangerine
The Greatest Romance Ever Sold
The Sun, The Moon And Stars
Undisputed
Wherever U Go, Whatever U Do
1+1+1=3
Deconstrustion
Digital Garden
Everywhere
Family Name
Last December
Mellow
Muse 2 The Pharaoh
She Loves Me 4 Me
The Everlasting Now
The Rainbow Children
The Sensual Everafter
The Work Pt I
Wedding Feast
3rd Eye
Animal Kingdom
Circle Of Amour
Come Back
Dionne
Don't Play Me
Fascination
Man In A Uniform
One Of Your Tears
The Other Side Of The Pillow
The Truth
Welcome 2 The Dawn
5 Women
Extraordinary
It's About That Walk
My Little Pill
Old Friends 4 Sale
Sarah
She Spoke 2 Me
The Rest Of My Life
There Is Lonely
When The Lights Go Down
Xhalation
Xcogitate
Xemplify
Xpectation
Xotica
Xogenous
Xpand
Xosphere
Xpedition
Chaos & Disorder
Dig U Better Dead
Dinner With Delores
Had U
I Like It There
I Rock, Therefore I Am
I Will
Into The Light
Right The Wrong
Same December
Zannalee
Big Fun
Cherry, Cherry
Count The Days
Get Wild
Hallucination Rain
Mashed Potato Girl
New Power Day
New Power Soul
The Exodus Has Begun
The Return Of The Bump Squad
Don't Talk 2 Strangers
319.
Billy Jack Bitch
Dolphin
Endorphinmachine
Gold
I Hate U
Now
Pussy Control
Shhh
Shy
The Most Beautiful Girl In The World
We March
Rock & Roll Is Alive
However Much U Want [duet with Mayte]
Xenophobia [live]
One Nite Alone
U're Gonna C Me
Here On Earth
A Case Of U
Have A Heart
Objects In The Mirror
Avalanche
Pearls B4 The Swine
Young And Beautiful
Arboretum


That's excluding the ONA Live boxset and a bunch of stuff I
no doubt forgot. And yet, it's close to about 250 songs.

I think that's a pretty impressive list, for just 8 years.
Who cares how many units it shifted. I'm glad he saw fit to
release it all, despite perhaps declining salesfigures.

wow , thats abit harsh considering hes only out by less than 200K!

what i meant by world figures is that every territory may have their own figures, from what i understand isnt soundscan only for USA and BPI for the UK so on so forth. its hard to know! so are all the figures from like a year or two after they were released then? ie emancipation? rave etc?

Cloudbuster said:

Not releasing The Truth but instead... New Power soul was probably the biggest commercial mistake Prince ever made.

IstenSzek said:

I don't really care about how many units were sold, but I undertsand what people are trying to say: for an artist/ genius like Prince who used to sell a whole lot more, sale figures are quite dissapointing. That however has to do with his business sense, which... makes no sense at all.

btw. that list you provided is indeed pretty impressive, but let's be honest... do you really think (most of) those songs can compare to his warner output? I really don't think so.

iloveheineken said:

It's a Michael Jackson message board.It must be him because almost all of his threads here have to do with comparing Prince to MJ lol.

I look at it like this: the only album sales that matter are the ones that he sells to me.

how the heck do tracks from the Gold Experience, Chaos and Disorder and the Vault get included in the post warners material, which is what I was talking about.

Here's the big question - does the vault have more or less unreleased songs in it today than it did the day Prince was free of WB? Is it really possible Prince only recorded 4 new tracks in the past 8 months?

Here's the big question - does the vault have more or less unreleased songs in it today than it did the day Prince was free of WB? Is it really possible Prince only recorded 4 new tracks in the past 8 months?[/quote]



no!!! look on NEWS inlay, copyright 2002 then 2003, he had designed NEWS LAST YEAR! this means while people were bitching about no new material he had already planned his next album, not only that but in between that release Xpectation! plus, NEWS was recorded in a single day. also, lately hasnt he been putting lyrics on his website, remember all that shit about the moors and him being a racist?

so, news is a year old and took a couple of hours tops to record. Xpectation is from 2001. One Nite Alone - piano is from 2001. Prince hasn't toured in 2003, the one CD he released is old music - what's he been up to?

It's hard to believe he hasn't recorded anything. The vault just keeps filling up.

lildragon said:

I hate to tell u this, but Sound Scan is not very accurate. They only measure album sales at stores that register with them. For instance, many small music stores are not Sound Scan participants (because it is quite expensive). So, the figures are off by a few thousand.

Abrazo said:

I'm trying to understand why u guys are saying that The Truth should have been a separate album? I think The Truth is, overall, BAD! Come on, Animal Kingdom is sooo baddd. If it had been released separately, he wouldn't have sold 100,000 copies! The only real promotional track on that album would have been Circle of Amore. The rest of it is pretty boring. That's just my 2 cents.

alandail said:

He has always done this. Many of his albums were recorded one or 2 years prior to their release.

daPrettyman said:

He used to complain about that - that WB was too slow getting his stuff out - the expectation was that this would change when he was free to release stuff on his own.

daPrettyman said:

I don't really like Animal Kingdom or Man In a Uniform, but think the rest is outstanding. If promoted, 3rd eye and Fascination both could have gotten airplay.

alandail said:

I love the whole thing. For me it's the most outstanding and original album he released in the 90's.

daPrettyman said:

I've said before that I think The Truth is overrated. It is good, don't get me wrong but not the hit that some seem to think it could have been, IMHO.

"Dionne...you should have let me down easy
If you had no plans to please me"


I love that song so much!

DavidEye said:

I agree. Its a fantastic song.