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Reply #30 posted 08/14/03 12:29pm

TheResistor

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gman1966 said:

This is got to be a budget or money issue. Prince does not have a major label to back him anymore, it's very unfortunate.


Not necessarily. Ani Difranco's DVD "Render" is high quality in both visuals and sound and we all know she is not on a major lable. Also, all her recent releases have some top notch packaging. It just seems to me that Prince is quite cheap with his products.
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literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry
while getting it wrong fundamentally
down at the church of "look, it says right here, see!" - ani difranco
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Reply #31 posted 08/14/03 12:37pm

thaCONcept

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R u sick of me yet?

even more info...

first i saw a thread about people
always complaining about Prince's new
Releases. THis is not me!
I am one of the biggest (closet)
purple KOOL-ADE drinkers on the planet.
I love NEWS, the NPGMC and all.

Its really the Quality of the Transfer im
complaining about. This has very little
2 do with Prince other than he has final
say and it is ultimately HIS PRODUCT.

2 go even further - on a smallish TUBE TV
(32" or smaller) . U can't see the problems as
bad as u can on a PLASMA, LCD, DLP or other high -end
widescreen , reference quality tvs.

on my 27" in my bedroom - its watchable
but put it on something better...
cover your eyes
thaCONcept
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Reply #32 posted 08/14/03 12:51pm

lovemachine

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thaCONcept said:

let me try and give a little more info.

The performances R great - they really R.

the audio alone makes it worth it ("Gotta Broken Heart Again", "Pass the Peas")

No matter how bad u master the dvd, under all
the mudd - its still Prince being funky and live there is no equal.

As far as i can tell there r very few overdubs
just like ONE NITE ALONE ...LIVE
there is some little overdubs 2 create
little segues but if he added anything 2 actual
songs its minimal.

the problem with the footage is not even the fact it was
shot on hand held mini dv cams. That in itself is kinda cool
in a bootleg kinda way. The problem lies in the actual TRANSFER! Im not sure what went wrong but its all blurry
and like i said b4 U CAN ACTUALLY SEE the LINES that make up the picture. Furthermore u can see the edges of all the images r jagged and stair stepped. When U pull out 2 a wide shot -images r barely distinguishable (is that a word?).

on the sound - how do u make a dvd with no 5.1 or DTS?
that being said - in realilty LIVE music is only a 2 channel mix - so in 5 channel stereo or dolby pro logic II
it actually sounds really good. 2 be honest this is how i view concert dvds anyway as they usually always mix LOUD LOUD OBNOXIOUS OVERDUBBED CROWD NOISE in the SURROUNDS.

Im not telling U not 2 buy this - its just very disappointing - shit if it was gonna be this bad at least
the Entire show would have kept me quiet but the combination
is 2 much.

The actual show is only 67 minutes (and that includes a 2 minute intro). NExt u have a 3 minute SISIA played over credits and then a 7:30 minute RIDE that really is part of the show and was really dumb 2 make it a bonus cut.

The beauty of DVD is u can skip trax like a cd
so even if it was 23 hours long people could skip the stuff they didn't like - there is no reason 2 make it so short.

oh well...

when is the next cd ?

7


Thanks for all the info and for the record I think the NPGMC is fucked if they deleted your first post.

67 minutes - five minutes for credits? That is just wrong and crazy if you think about it.


.
[This message was edited Thu Aug 14 12:53:29 PDT 2003 by lovemachine]
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Reply #33 posted 08/15/03 12:09pm

dawn74

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And i thought the Rave dvd was poor visually... Come on man.
-Please hire the guys who shot your SOTT-concert &
-release a complete concert, not just some hits. I wanne hear u jam with your band!

#Dorothy Parker was ... Cool!
Love you till you're dead

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Reply #34 posted 08/15/03 12:11pm

ufoclub

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sounds like the dvd was accidently burned from an mpg file that had an interlace field problem so it is at half resolution.

Prince needs to get the dvd redone from whoever produced the dvd, and then send us the correct copy.



thaCONcept said:

Let me Start by saying - I love Prince and support him in ANYthing he does. THat being said ...

I ordered the DVD just after midnite and had it in my mailbox WEDNESDAY morning...Perfect!

I really went in2 this with an open mind. I 4gave him 4 chopping up the DVD, editing it down 2 - 80minutes. I even 4gave the fact that there was little 2 no bonus material (the Ride and NPGMC commercial) I was just ready 2 see ONA live on DVD.

4 those who don't know - my daytime job is designing HOME theatres. If a client wants 2 reproduce the Movie theatre xperience in their home - thats what i do. Sometimes these theatres R in xcess of $100,000. That being said - i take every opportunity 2 USE Prince on the SHOWROOM FLOOR (DVD, CD whatever). THe RAVE DVD has long since warn out its welcome and i was very Xcited 2 POP this in and watch the jaws drop. This is where the NEWS gets sour!

This is possibly THE SINGLE WORST DVD TRANSFER I HAVE EVER SEEN!
It is 2 the point of embarrassment. The picture is blurry, shakey and digitized and U can Literally see scan lines. It looks as if Prince was made up of a SERIES of LINES. When the DVD goes to a wide shot U can't even make out some images. Imagine this on a 106" screen through
a $11, 000 Sharpvision DLP projector! Customers were asking what was wrong with the projector!!! (I also tried it on a 57" rear pro, a 50" LCD and 42" plasma). In combination with the terrible picture, the sound is ONLY PCM DIGITAL (2 Channel). There is no surround mix, no 5.1 and no DTS. I have no idea how this will be shown in theatres, maybe, hopefully the original MASTER is better?

The sad thing is, the performances really R terriffic. Many of the songs that R not on One Nite Alone Live R perfect. Furthermore the versions of songs (1+1+1 is 3, Strange Relationship etc..) that R on One Nite Alone Live - R even better versions here on the DVD.

The DVD will still get many spins and I hope Prince continues 2 release live DVDs. In the future I just wish he would spend the money on a PROFESSIONAL CAMERA CREW and more importantly take the time to properly transfer and master the DVD. When it comes 2 live performances - Prince has no equal, lets just make it so the rest of the world can see that 2!
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Reply #35 posted 08/15/03 12:12pm

ufoclub

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the rave dvd is excellent technically. Or are you talking about the camera work?

dawn74 said:

And i thought the Rave dvd was poor visually... Come on man.
-Please hire the guys who shot your SOTT-concert &
-release a complete concert, not just some hits. I wanne hear u jam with your band!

#Dorothy Parker was ... Cool!
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Reply #36 posted 08/15/03 12:17pm

madison

So basically what you're saying is that it looks like he made his own "bootleg" video!






YES THAT IS WHAT THE DVD IS !!!


U WILL WATCH IT ONE OR TWICE UNLESS UR A FREAK !!!
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Reply #37 posted 08/15/03 12:24pm

dawn74

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Yes, that is what i meant. Sorry for my dutchy-english...

ufoclub said:

the rave dvd is excellent technically. Or are you talking about the camera work?

dawn74 said:

And i thought the Rave dvd was poor visually... Come on man.
-Please hire the guys who shot your SOTT-concert &
-release a complete concert, not just some hits. I wanne hear u jam with your band!

#Dorothy Parker was ... Cool!
Love you till you're dead

Nederlandse prince community: www.itaintover.org
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Reply #38 posted 08/15/03 2:36pm

herb4

SANSKER7 said:



Prince does what Prince wants,
.


FINALLY!

Someone else besides me said it!

Thank you!
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Reply #39 posted 08/15/03 2:37pm

herb4

lovemachine said:

gman1966 said:

This is got to be a budget or money issue. Prince does not have a major label to back him anymore, it's very unfortunate.


Ummm...He is charging $125-$150 for tickets and buying mansions in Toronto I think he could have done a better quality DVD then a garage band if he had wanted to.


Co-sign.

Those symbol canes aint cheap either.

Than again, I haven't seen it yet (the DVD) so I'l reserve comment, but I thought the same thing regarding the money argument.
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Reply #40 posted 08/15/03 3:48pm

Bambi319

How come the clips from NPGMC look pretty good?
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Reply #41 posted 08/15/03 5:54pm

derek

thaCONcept said:

R u sick of me yet?

even more info...

first i saw a thread about people
always complaining about Prince's new
Releases. THis is not me!
I am one of the biggest (closet)
purple KOOL-ADE drinkers on the planet.
I love NEWS, the NPGMC and all.

Its really the Quality of the Transfer im
complaining about. This has very little
2 do with Prince other than he has final
say and it is ultimately HIS PRODUCT.

2 go even further - on a smallish TUBE TV
(32" or smaller) . U can't see the problems as
bad as u can on a PLASMA, LCD, DLP or other high -end
widescreen , reference quality tvs.

on my 27" in my bedroom - its watchable
but put it on something better...
cover your eyes


CONcept...appreciate your comments!

As a fellow home theater enthusiast i take your comments to heart - I was hanging to get this baby spinning on my new HD widescreen plasma and pump out the 5.1 mix.

I can't believe that Prince has let this happen - does he even watch DVD? Did he watch this one before it went out?

Can you confirm that the concert was shot on miniDV? I thought it may have been film! If this is the case already you're needing kick-ass authoring to make indoor miniDV look decent on DVD. And no surround mix? This is DVD - surround mixes are a part of what the DVD experience is!

How can he go from Rave which had a great transfer & was in 2.1, 5.1 and DTS down to this? He is going backwords for God's sake!

As for the NPGMC deleting your review post - this confirms why I have not joined the club this year. It really is sad when you have ppl deleting negative (REAL) thoughts on your own website! Is the same Prince that once wrote a song called 'Free' ???

What has happened? My relationship Prince is like unrequited love - I'm trying to let go because he is doing everything wrong but I still love him - GOD DAMMIT!!!
oralI sincerely want 2 fuck the taste out of your mouth oral
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Reply #42 posted 08/15/03 8:27pm

grandebelle

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thaCONcept said:

let me try and give a little more info.

The performances R great - they really R.

the audio alone makes it worth it ("Gotta Broken Heart Again", "Pass the Peas")

No matter how bad u master the dvd, under all
the mudd - its still Prince being funky and live there is no equal.

As far as i can tell there r very few overdubs
just like ONE NITE ALONE ...LIVE
there is some little overdubs 2 create
little segues but if he added anything 2 actual
songs its minimal.

the problem with the footage is not even the fact it was
shot on hand held mini dv cams. That in itself is kinda cool
in a bootleg kinda way. The problem lies in the actual TRANSFER! Im not sure what went wrong but its all blurry
and like i said b4 U CAN ACTUALLY SEE the LINES that make up the picture. Furthermore u can see the edges of all the images r jagged and stair stepped. When U pull out 2 a wide shot -images r barely distinguishable (is that a word?).

on the sound - how do u make a dvd with no 5.1 or DTS?
that being said - in realilty LIVE music is only a 2 channel mix - so in 5 channel stereo or dolby pro logic II
it actually sounds really good. 2 be honest this is how i view concert dvds anyway as they usually always mix LOUD LOUD OBNOXIOUS OVERDUBBED CROWD NOISE in the SURROUNDS.

Im not telling U not 2 buy this - its just very disappointing - shit if it was gonna be this bad at least
the Entire show would have kept me quiet but the combination
is 2 much.

The actual show is only 67 minutes (and that includes a 2 minute intro). NExt u have a 3 minute SISIA played over credits and then a 7:30 minute RIDE that really is part of the show and was really dumb 2 make it a bonus cut.

The beauty of DVD is u can skip trax like a cd
so even if it was 23 hours long people could skip the stuff they didn't like - there is no reason 2 make it so short.

oh well...

when is the next cd ?

7

How does a prince person NOT buy something "HE" puts out, 2 add 2 their collection, even if it's 2 criticize while U or ur friends watch it? It's a COLLECTIBLE. We ALL collect, and most of us collect "ALL" prince "stuff". I wouldnt want 2 B without it in MY collection many years from now while someone is going on & on about how bad OR good they think it is. It's a part of "his" history. Plus the audio is EXCELLENT. It's cost is reasonable. It would have been nicer 2 have a more professional "look" 2 it, but It's all good 2 me, anyway. Good or bad, GOT 2 HAVE IT!
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Reply #43 posted 08/16/03 9:15am

EvilWhiteMale

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Be like me folks, don't buy shit from him until he gets his act together.
"You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "

Al Pacino- Scarface
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Reply #44 posted 08/16/03 9:21am

2freaky4church
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You guys will never learn--Prince cannot be trusted. Put that on a piece of paper and stick it on your fridge. Now get me a beer, and let's all go kick Princes skanky ass.
All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #45 posted 08/17/03 7:57am

laurarichardso
n

thaCONcept said:

Just an Update -

the NPGMC
(does that stand 4 NPG MUSIC CULT or Club?)

has deleted this review
that i originally posted

i really tried 2 sugar coat it as best as i could
but the fact is the picture is horrible

i will still play it
(i already watched it like 4 times)
but the audio cd i burned will get many more spins.

also it seems they have been deleting ANY - negative comments on the NPGMC
will Prince ever learn?

---
The negative review was deleted because he wants to sell the DVD. It that really that difficult to understand?

I will buy the DVD and judge for myself. To many people who went to this show said it was awesome and I am not going to pass up a chance to see it because some guy on Prince org is not happy with the picture.

It is the music that matters.
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Reply #46 posted 08/17/03 7:59am

laurarichardso
n

EvilWhiteMale said:

Be like me folks, don't buy shit from him until he gets his act together.

---
Follow your own advice and let others make up their own minds.
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Reply #47 posted 08/17/03 6:50pm

thaCONcept

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Not Once did I say "don't but it."
All my review has been based only on the
quality of the DVD TRANSFER. Since my
initial post I have listed 2 the CD Burn
i made of the DVD over and over - I love it.

I also watched it a few times on my 27"
tube tv in my bedroom and at my girls house
on her 32" tv - and 2 be honest its harder
2 notice the flaws, which is cool because
this is how most will watch it. Now...
flash 4ward 2 2day at work. I say let me give this
another try and i pop it in a 50" plasma.

The picture was so horrible it was worse than
a bootleg U would pick up in Canal st.!
U would have 2 know absolutely ZERO about
video or Dvds at all 2 see it was TERRIBLE!
If it was anyone else besides Prince I would return
it 2 the store thinking something was wrong with
it. People I work with R telling me U must have got a
bad copy, it must be a mistake! I tell them U don't
know Prince.

Its really a shame Prince would allow this
2 happen.
Let's hope this is only the beginning and many
more live shows will follow.
thaCONcept
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Reply #48 posted 08/17/03 7:34pm

StinkyWeaselTe
ats

EvilWhiteMale said:

Be like me folks, don't buy shit from him until he gets his act together.


hopefully everyone won't spend the time in between bitching like you.
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Reply #49 posted 08/17/03 7:50pm

Jem

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Bambi319 said:

How come the clips from NPGMC look pretty good?



Cause i think the problem that many are observing is from the dvd transfer. those vids might not be taken from the dvd, hense, being good.
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Reply #50 posted 08/17/03 8:36pm

doeineffect

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How about everyone get the DVD and make their own conclusions? This guy sounds like a video geek and probably nothing short of perfection will be good enough.
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Reply #51 posted 08/17/03 8:36pm

thaCONcept

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EVEN MORE info ...

im not even sure its REAL Widescreen.
When U put it in a player and select
NORMAL mode or NATIVE mode on your
Projector or Widescreen TV it comes up
4:3 with the letterbox on the top and bottom.
This would indicate that it was shot 4:3
and then they put a masking effect over 2 make
it *look* widescreen. (black bars)
Plus NO-WHERE on the disc does it make a reference
2 a 16x9 mode or any aspect ratio at all.

this is a possible reason it looks so bad on a
widescreen tv.
say it isn't so
thaCONcept
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Reply #52 posted 08/18/03 3:46am

derek

doeineffect said:

How about everyone get the DVD and make their own conclusions? This guy sounds like a video geek and probably nothing short of perfection will be good enough.


If video geek means having a kick-ass 5.1 surround home theater and plasma widescreen hanging on the wall then I'm a video geek too...

Quality is quality - full stop.

I won't make my own judgements until I see the DVD for myself but CONcept seems to know what he's talkin bout...
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Reply #53 posted 08/18/03 4:21am

dnaplaya

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thaCONcept said:

On a smallish TUBE TV
(32" or smaller) . U can't see the problems as
bad as u can on a PLASMA, LCD, DLP or other high -end
widescreen , reference quality tvs.

on my 27" in my bedroom - its watchable
but put it on something better...
cover your eyes


Prince (as far as I know) watches most of his things on small screens. The Graffiti Bridge movie was edited by Prince on small TV's, some in hotel rooms.

Probably Prince watched this Vegas DVD on a small TV, and it looked fine. But that aside, he's renowned for being a perfectionist, and the quality of this release should have been second to none.
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Reply #54 posted 08/18/03 4:50am

klaatu

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Safireseven said:

Oh, say it isin't so.That's depressing to hear.I hope the one shown in the Theaters is better because people travel, pay for Hotels and some like me bring along someone with them to see this.
Aww Shucks !!!



It's expensive to "professionnally" create a DVD...
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Reply #55 posted 08/18/03 8:39am

funkycomic

I think it looks great on the website and I am gonna buy it today from Best Buy.
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Reply #56 posted 08/18/03 8:59am

Aerogram

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It sounds as though, just like for Crystal Ball, Prince thinks "Hey... they buy boutlegs and they say they love it. Well I too can give them bootleg quality if that's what they're willing to buy!"
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Reply #57 posted 08/18/03 10:19am

slm4m

thaCONcept said:

Let me Start by saying - I love Prince and support him in ANYthing he does. THat being said ...

I ordered the DVD just after midnite and had it in my mailbox WEDNESDAY morning...Perfect!

I really went in2 this with an open mind. I 4gave him 4 chopping up the DVD, editing it down 2 - 80minutes. I even 4gave the fact that there was little 2 no bonus material (the Ride and NPGMC commercial) I was just ready 2 see ONA live on DVD.

4 those who don't know - my daytime job is designing HOME theatres. If a client wants 2 reproduce the Movie theatre xperience in their home - thats what i do. Sometimes these theatres R in xcess of $100,000. That being said - i take every opportunity 2 USE Prince on the SHOWROOM FLOOR (DVD, CD whatever). THe RAVE DVD has long since warn out its welcome and i was very Xcited 2 POP this in and watch the jaws drop. This is where the NEWS gets sour!

This is possibly THE SINGLE WORST DVD TRANSFER I HAVE EVER SEEN!
It is 2 the point of embarrassment. The picture is blurry, shakey and digitized and U can Literally see scan lines. It looks as if Prince was made up of a SERIES of LINES. When the DVD goes to a wide shot U can't even make out some images. Imagine this on a 106" screen through
a $11, 000 Sharpvision DLP projector! Customers were asking what was wrong with the projector!!! (I also tried it on a 57" rear pro, a 50" LCD and 42" plasma). In combination with the terrible picture, the sound is ONLY PCM DIGITAL (2 Channel). There is no surround mix, no 5.1 and no DTS. I have no idea how this will be shown in theatres, maybe, hopefully the original MASTER is better?

The sad thing is, the performances really R terriffic. Many of the songs that R not on One Nite Alone Live R perfect. Furthermore the versions of songs (1+1+1 is 3, Strange Relationship etc..) that R on One Nite Alone Live - R even better versions here on the DVD.

The DVD will still get many spins and I hope Prince continues 2 release live DVDs. In the future I just wish he would spend the money on a PROFESSIONAL CAMERA CREW and more importantly take the time to properly transfer and master the DVD. When it comes 2 live performances - Prince has no equal, lets just make it so the rest of the world can see that 2!

don't like it don't buy it.
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Reply #58 posted 08/21/03 2:12pm

hdtv00

For the retard that said dont like it dont buy it.How the hell you know if you like it unless you buy it.And everyone knows you CANT return a open dvd.And Ill tell you right now if I had known the video was this bad there is NO WAY I wouldve bought it.That simple.

Con youre so right lol.Im using a 32 inch plain tv,first thing I thought was god help the people with high end equipment.It must look 5 times worse.You are right about it being the worst dvd ever.Ive NEVER seen one this bad as far as the video goes anyway.I still cant believe it.
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