javed said:

Bzzzt, wrong. Concert goers are not the same people as record buyers. Concerts are EVENTS, completely different thing than CDs.

"Concert goers are not the same people as record buyers"


Bullshit.The two go hand in hand.A fan that goes to a concert would also pay for a CD by that same artist.Please elaborate on the point you were trying to make,because you lost me.

DavidEye said:

thank u!!! without concerts 2 promote said cds, there's no point as it is.

BartVanHemelen said:

TRC was distributed in Canada by EMI Music

Does it matter if Rainbow Children is good music? Bad music can sell alot of copies - look at Britteny Spears and Nsync. They move tons of records and that shit is barely music.

Art has NOTHING to do with money. Never has.

Bart thankyou sooo much for pointing that out!. Seriously though dont you think the 2 go hand in hand i.e. you go to a gig , be impressed and then buy the cd and the other way round. saying that my wife's dragging me to see Bon Jovi next week and i know however good they may be live [yeah right!] it won't make me buy a cd of theirs.
What really gets me is that at the gigs last year Prince kept banging on about joining the club yat in the foyer where were the purple staff waiting for your credit card details to sign you up?. Answer is of course nowhere. Instead of catching an audience whilst they were 'caught in the moment' i.e. when you will buy any old crap we were offered the usual crap merchandise. I wonder how many TRC copies were sold at the gigs?.
My point?, Prince can still [just about sell concert tickets], TRC sold crap [200 thousand is NOT good]otherwise we all know that if it did he would brag about it on the site. I suspect he still made a buck load but could've surley signed up many more members.

Mont said:

you desperately need a wake up call.

BartVanHemelen said:

Miles Davis has NEVER been in the charts LOL !

THAT IS A GREAT NAME.


THE RAINBOW CHILDRAIN.


WOW



GENIUS!

VINCENT said:

Mmmh, are you sure? "Kind Of Blue" is selling pretty well since 1997 (more than 2 millions copies in just a few years and in the US alone). And what about "Bitches Brew"?

Olivier

No one knows how many copies of the rainbow children were sold but Prince, so lets stop acting like we know it all...
he couldve sold 1million copies of the cd by now...why do we act as if he can't sell a freakin mill...

Prince is the man!
He's working the indie scene the way its best worked! and thats continue to play club and theatre size venues, operate directly to the fans via the internet and allow his fans to access the artist first!

He's recieved enough press and fame over the years to continue with this kind of scene to be successful without the majors...

Prince knows exactly what he's doing...
and I love him for it...


The Rainbow Children is known, whether ppl own it or not thats something I can't state, but I know alot of non-die hards who know about the album...and I was shocked...so maybe theyve heard it somewhere and liked it or got word that prince is still doing his indie thing!

And that makes me proud that ppl still mention him and know what he's up too regardless if they dig him or not!

NSYNC sold a lot of albums too. Those guys were super groovy.

NPD313 said:

I love the album but there is now way that it sold a million! Considering where it debuted and the fact that there was no press about it after it came out talking about it selling consistently or something, there is just no way. It is statistically impossible! Did I read that right? It's impossible. If he had a million selling record, don't you think someone would have noticed? And seriously, I don't think a lot of non-die hards would know that Prince released TRC was released. It just didn't get that much press. I think I found out about it on Prince message board, certainty not from the media. Most of the Sunday ads didn't have it in their paper when it came out (just Best Buy...and I wonder why). People don’t just sell a million unnoticed. Not anymore!

DavidEye said:

READ what I wrote. People paying $50 for concerts won't mean they'll buy the album. They pay for the event of going to a Prince gig because they have good memories of previous gigs, but they won't buy the CD because they don't like the music and/ or because they can't find it and/or because it's too expensive. Paying $25 for a CD they might not like is a bad investment to their minds, whereas a concert is much more an event, a community experience, etc. Completely different things.

Damn, why do people have such a hard time thinking outside their own little world? I'm not saying anything new here, you know.

javed said:

There is SOME connection for SOME people (and even then it depends on what kind of artist, at what point in their career, etc.), but to assume that people who go to concerts = people who buy the CD is nonsense, ESPECIALLY in Pricne's case where people haven't heard about new releases in years, and the ones they heard about got bad reviews, and the last Prince CD they bought is gathering dust because it was so shit they didn't even make it all the way through. In that mind paying $25 for an import CD of Prince is simply a bad investment, whereas paying $50 or more for a concert (which gets much bigger promotion and which have generated good memories in the past) might seem a good idea (plus that it's an event and they can go with friends etc.).

Listening to a CD is not the same as a going to a gig, simple as that.

Bart I guess this argument can go round and round, its all about each individuals perception. In my case i've harped on for ages about what a pure joy it has been to discover the Bowie remastered cd's over the year or so [so far 9 and counting] and as soon as i heard about the tour this year i got my tickets. So there's a prime example of being totally inspired by a cd to see the artist live. For the record i bought my tickets 10 minutes ago and they are crap seats, should've joined Bowie.net!.

javed said:

READ what I wrote: I'm not saying that there isn't a relationship, I'm saying there isn't ALWAYS a relationship. As evidenced by Prince and many other artists who don't register on the charts yet sell out concert halls.

Obviously there's a part of the audience that does buy the albums and goes to the concerts, but there's plenty people who buy tons of records yet rarely go to gigs and there's plenty of people who go to gigs that don't buy the albums. I know plenty of people who went to see Prince in 1998 in Belgium who didn't know about NPS or CB etc. and I don't know a single one who afterwards said "well I'm gonna buy NPS" no matter how much they enjoyed the concert.

Bart I think we might be both agreeing on the point!, i.e. some do , some don't right?.. Now more importantly these friends of yours you say they ACTUALLY ENJOYED the NPS concerts!, you're kidding right?.

NPD313 said:

nonsense those figures are public.


because he can't.

[quote[Prince is the man![/quote] no he is not, he was.

acces the artist? What are you, a joke? Prince is only "working the indi scene"because the majors won't pay him his millions anymore.



he is not succesfull, his fans can do nothing but bitch because he can do nothing but screw them around.


yeah I bet you loved to be screwed by prince. Too bad he isn't in your bed doing it to you eh?



"still"? He has only just begun WTF.


Most mention him like: Prince? I thought he was dead!!!

LaMont said:

Thnak you,

I really don't know why people are even dicussing this.

LMAO @ this whole thread.


Y'all a trip

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