[…]"TRC No. 4 on Billboard's Top Independent Albums chart and No. 109 on The Billboard 200" […]

Prince the independent artist MADE the money, MADE an artistic creation and IS in the news. It makes a few millions people owning TRC, that's ok, I think?
And next year will be Purple Rain aniversary…

INDY Prince is far better than Bowie and Peter Gabriel, as he don't need to be in TV's add and still inspires gossips! Prince, u'll be 60 like James Brown, we'll love U!

TheP said:

a few million people own TRC??? You must be out of your mind..

TheP said:

BS. It's one of many newsitems and most people will barely notice it.

TheP said:

Which part of "Top INDEPENDENT Albums chart" didn't you get? It sold 150,000 or so, tops.

TheP said:

And NOTHING will happen. It didn't happen on the tenth anniversary, not or the 15th.

TheP said:

If you'd get out of your room more, you'd notice no one gives a shit about Prince.
[This message was edited Wed Jun 18 4:21:39 PDT 2003 by BartVanHemelen]

BartVanHemelen said:

Sigh...thanks for telling it like it really is again, Bart!!

TheP said:

Funny how you left out the next line in the article: "The album was made available in stores via a distribution deal with Best Buy's now-defunct Redline label."

BartVanHemelen said:

And he left out that Prince first relased TRC on mp3 to the "true fans" charging them a month of membership, while they knew all along that TRC was going to be released to stores and therefore purchased twice by all the "true fans". Like he did a year later with ONA Live: shamelssly ripping off the "true fans". Just an example of another way of Prince ripping-off his way into making a buck.

oh and Prince is Satan and needs to be shot with a silver bullett and he broke up the Beatles, eats lickle ickle babies and generally , in the words of the wise one [Elmer Fudd] 'is a vevy, vevy bad man'. I thank you.

TheP said:

Hope U did not think people here really like Prince. A few do. Prince is doing fine.

BartVanHemelen said:

TRC certainly didn't sell well. It's not even possible when you see the way it has been distributed in the first place.

But still how come can you come up with a figure for the sales (150,000 copies) ?!!! Even NPGMC have no clue hehe.

Now when you say no one gives a shit about Prince you're not far from thetruth but it's not completely true as well. I was amazed by the number of people (without tix) queueing up in Paris to attend the Bataclan concert. The Zenith tix were sold in less than 20 minutes and they had (heard on Europe 1 french radio) enough demand for at least 5 concerts. So at least there are still a few prince music lovers in France hehe !

Now I've always been a Miles Davis fan and when I went to the US for the first time most people I met there in Boston barely knew him. It obviously does not mean Miles Davis was a crap artist.

When Prince doesn't sell cds with Rave or NPS...that's when I find him really pathetic. You know when he tries so hard to sound commercial and to be catchy and nobody gives a shit.

When Prince does a tour like he did last time totally focused on the music or when he goes his way (instrumental stuff or TRC whether you are pissed with the lyrics or not)...that's when I enjoyb the little purple man again.

Ciao.

Ban Bart...he is just annoying

Vincent that's a damn good point. If people didn't give a shit the tickets wont sell out. Hasn't he still done well in the medium sized arenas in the U.S. and Europe still?. The record buying public would rather cough up $70 for a ticket rather tha pay $13.00 for a CD!. I know of many people [ alright about10!] that were desperate for tickets last year , not because they bought PR and D&P but just because it was Prince and the reputation that he carries as a musical genius and live performer. Somebody please tweek Barts nipples and feed him some of that Beligian chocolate. How can someone come from a country that produces the best chocs in the world be that bitter?.

If there's a more bitter person than Bart, I don't want to meet him...

TRC sold pretty poorly, on this one, for the first time in a long time, Bart is right. Wow. I bet no one expected that.

javed said:

However you want to put it: TRC is Prince's worst selling record.

And the point someone brought up about Prince still selling out venues is moot. Prince used to sell out stadiums all over the world. Now it's only small sized venues, especially in the US.

huggy said:

Indeed he's not like The Stones or Springsteen, they're
still selling out the stadiums and big venues all over
the world. When it comes to Prince music and live gigs,
nobody cares besides the hardcore fan(m)s.

huggy said:

The Rainbow ChildRAIN or the Purple Children?

I am actually surprised TRC is that high on the Billboard 200.. Its not exactly a 'catchy' kind of album with the exception of 1+1+1=3

well, as of 2002 it was only just over 100,000 copies sold. now, at 17 duckets a piece comes to $1,700,000. not too bad for a man with no contracts or requirements. of course he needs to give some of that up for paychecks and such, but npgmc internet purchases of the cd are not included in sound scan. and a whole year has gone by since those estimates so, as far as indie music goes, he made a killing!

garganta said:

That's what I thought. I mean, if an alubm is number 4 on the regular billboard chart, it doesn't mean that even a million people are going to own it (and that is more true now that albums are doing really bad business compared to a few years ago_! THe thing debuted at 109! I doubt over 150,000 have it but that being siad I've been listening it a lot lately and love it!

more people will buy the Clay Aiken/Ruben Studdard cd singles

javed said:

The reason why the public will spend 70 on tix and not 13 on a CD is that his reputation precedes him. the public think he might do the old 'good' stuff live. but most people are aware that his new CD's are shit.

Ok, I have no source, nor is my memory reliable, but as I recall, a music tracking company, perhaps soundscan, clocked in TRC sales at just over 200,000. I really don't remember the numbers or anything, so don't get on my ass about this.

Anyways, I think it was just over 200,000.

And...

I also remember that on the indie chart, at number 3 or 2 or 1, Manheim Steamroller's Christmas album from about 15 years ago. So a 15 year old album beat out a brand new Prince debut.

familygroove said:

Springsteen and the Stones are supported by majors that invest millions of dollars in promoting them. Prince doesn't have that kind of support.

What is your point anyway ? Why should you give a fuck ? Do you want to see prince in a huge stadium again uh ?

No I prefer a medium sized venues where the sound is good and where he can really be close to the public.

By the way back in 1995 everybody thought Springsteen was finished. I remember the reviews stating that The Ghost of Tom Joad was a great album but that Springsteen woould never be a big star again. I even remember an interview of bruce in Liberation in 1996 where he basically said that he had it all and that the start system was all behind him.

See how things have changed when you make a come back album with your good old band after seven years without any new songs released. especially when you decide to focus on the september the 11th. That's what I call good marketing.

By the way back in 1995 everybody thought Springsteen was finished. I remember the reviews stating that The Ghost of Tom Joad was a great album but that Springsteen woould never be a big star again. I even remember an interview of bruce in Liberation in 1996 where he basically said that he had it all and that the start system was all behind him.

See how things have changed when you make a come back album with your good old band after seven years without any new songs released. especially when you decide to focus on the september the 11th. That's what I call good marketing.[/quote]

Yeah, I was one of the geniuses that said Bruce had "lost it" after Joad and the Human Touch/Lucky Town debacles.

Now look at him. I was wrong. Thank goodness!

RodeoSchro said:

Yeah, I was one of the geniuses that said Bruce had "lost it" after Joad and the Human Touch/Lucky Town debacles.

Now look at him. I was wrong. Thank goodness![/quote]

SO it took 911 and thousands of people dying before he he put out a good cd?

Bruce Springsteen, Madona, Bowie, the Rolling Stone and MJ are just taking benefits of the 80's nostalgia. They ALLL have hardcore fans. It's just like good friends, u can count on your best friend when everything goes wrong. So do the ex-big stars.
And a last word abour record sales: you mention 150 000 pr 200 000 copies… but what about Europa, Japan, Canada… And that TRC is in stores since 2001 and had promos until january 2003!
Read the topic "Never cry on Prince anymore", and I wish u'll understand what I mean. And ask yourself why u still want to discuss about Prince when u say he is "out"…

TheP said:

I am very sorry, but you really talk a lot of shit. It ahs nothing to do with having good friends.

savoirfaire said:

Remember when Barry Manilow's own independent album was also competing with Prince?

VINCENT said:

Whenever Joe Cocker does a show or Bryan Adams they also sell out shows, even if their latest albums don't sell that well. Concerts ain't the same as albums.

VINCENT said:

Not the same thing. The US has a long history of forgetting about artists once they fall off the charts.