For years I've heard "Why aren't many people promoting him? Why isn't he getting attention?" I think the reality is he is too far demanding on everybody around him. If you ever do get a chance to converse with the Purple One you should casually say "You know,maybe if you lightened a bit on the demands and gave your staff more time to prepare things you could make alot of things in the future you want to happen."

I think alot of the listeners of Prince just side with him no matter what. And that really doesn't make any relative sense. That is idolatry in it's highest sense of the word. Something Prince is highly not in favor of anyway. Before you criticize you should ask around and see who invested with Prince and never got their $$ return. Therein lies your answer to the solution.

That is a ultimately big reason why so many people have left the Purple Promotional campaign. We as listeners should be sympathetic to those that have put their time and money into ANY of Prince's projects.

Regardless what some on here may think, Prince burned alot of bridges of people who tried to help but instead they got scorched in the Paisley inferno. We should always remember that and not be so impatient with radio,video and other outlets. Because one thing is for sure:These outlets gave a artist like him everything you could possibly want.




sincerely,

HASSEN

Funniest thing I've read in a while!!

Been reading "Possessed" have we?

"We should always remember that and not be so impatient with radio,video and other outlets. Because one thing is for sure:These outlets gave a artist like him everything you could possibly want." - or,perhaps, he as an artist was everything that these outlets could want! It works both ways you know!

What is your point, anyway?

The point is to be understanding to those who have dealt with him in the past/present and have had bad experiences. Everytime I always see a fan jump on someones case about a bad experience with prince,they ultimately defend Prince to the bitter end
Just because Prince is a a artist does not excuse his previous actions.

And yes I read Possessed but it was obvious way before that Prince's demanding nature was what made people stray away. I just don't understand why most fans don't understand that. That is the point of this post.

Mindflux said:[quote]Funniest thing I've read in a while!!

Been reading "Possessed" have we?

"We should always remember that and not be so impatient with radio,video and other outlets. Because one thing is for sure:These outlets gave a artist like him everything you could possibly want." - or,perhaps, he as an artist was everything that these outlets could want! It works both ways you know!

Seriously Mindflux,do you honestly think a video outlet deserves to give an artist prime attention forever? MTV even gave him a hour special on Emancipation. When the video obviously was never going to work,when the album was far too lengthy to sell. But then we can't mention that because that demonstrates another example of Mtv's promotional perks to Prince even then. Mtv could have filled the vacuum with another bubble gum factorized artist and no one would have been the wiser. Media outlets does not owe loyalty to an artist forever.
That is another of one of my points.

Let's not even mention radio...

I'd rather have Prince this way than a wacko Jacko ready to do anything to have full attention by the media...anyway...

"Seriously Mindflux,do you honestly think a video outlet deserves to give an artist prime attention forever?"

Erm, no, that is not what I am saying. You imply in your posts that these media outlets provide for artists. While this is true to an limited extent, surely you must realise that the program directors will only put on what they think is going to attract listeners or viewers? Media outlets have NO loyalty to artists, but you think they do.

Nobody invests money in a Prince project without thinking they are going to get a return - you imply that some of these things are done altruisticly. And millions of people invest daily in money markets and win or lose - none of this is done to help people, it is all done out of profit and if you get burned, well, you should have known the risks!

And this is why I ask what your point is. You seem to be trying to paint a picture that Prince is some evil, money-grabbing man who has ruined his own career by burning bridges with the media. I'm sure he has pissed people off in time, but that's business! Nobody owes anybody anything - Prince wants product out, those that want to make money try and help with the process, but only for their own gain.

You also talk of MTV giving Prince "promotional perks" - no such thing! They gave him nothing - you can't even say if he bought the time on MTV. You may also want to remember that MTV did not even show black artists until Prince - how do you explain that?

You say Prince should lay off people and maybe he would get what he wants - WTF? I think Prince has acheived more than most artists (this is not blind prince famdom, its a fact) and it is because of extreme talent and being extremely demanding that he has got these things done. I would say, by and large, that Prince has acheived what he wanted.
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I thought it was VH-1 (actually, I know) that gave him the Emancipation promotion and concert. MTV might have done the "Love4OneAnother" promo...but I'm not for certain.

this is pretty similar to the "blacklisting" thread that's still going. i agree, Trickology.

NettieSmiles said:

MTV, VH1, and BET all ran the Emancipation concert.

VH1 showed the Love4OneAnother movie... but that was in very early '96, long before Emancipation.

Trickology said:[quote]The point is to be understanding to those who have dealt with him in the past/present and have had bad experiences.
Just because Prince is a a artist does not excuse his previous actions.

Since Prince was forgiven for all of his past actions when he became a JW, shouldn't everyone else forgive him too?


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Mindflux said:

Trickology said:

That's what he says. But if it's true??


there is also freedom of choice.


with the help of uncle Warner.

For the rest... well said.

Mindflux said:

No, that isnt what Im saying at all. Im not painting him to be evil. Salvador Dali was like Prince in many ways, I still think Dali was a genius even besides the fact.
I said they dont owe loyalty to any artists. Nor should they not in this century. Media moves too fast these days to do that. Its not like the days of "Frank Sinatra" and the crooners where a legitimate talent can stay for decades if he plays ball.

Recently why everything has happened..is because Prince isnt gettin what he wants because his demands are too high. You can't live like that forever. And sooner or later Prince is going to experience gravity.
And he is experiencing Humbling... As far as Prince being business? I bet you a c note you can find hundreds of unpaid bills and people who never got business dealt correctly. Have you read Purple Drain article? That isnt business to deal with local businesses like that. They dont have the MUSCLE of corporate business so its easy to stiff them once or twice or three times a charm.



There is a reason why Prince is distanced. It is because the bill were not paid from the little guys. That is why

And thats also why Prince is hard pressed to find serious investors.

MTV didnt show Black artists til Prince?
They were showing Michael Jackson. That whole statement is untrue. Prince was a racial breaking barrier artist but he wasnt the first 1 on Mtv.

MTV didnt get Prince perks? Seriously what hooka are you smoking? They gave him specials when they could have given it to a hair metal band and got better ratings.
They covered Emancipation quite extensively. And what did mtv get to promote? BETCHA by Golly Wow? They gave him award performance spots when they could got someone else.



What Im saying Mindflux is he cant demand anymore at that level. People like Kevin Smith who spend a week of shooting things that he had no idea shooting and Prince giving him no direction? That shows a bit of being quite flaky, imo

It doesnt work.. and thats what I mean by coming to terms with Prince.

Thats the consequences of everyone Prince may have wronged in the past.
Im not condemn'n him. Im saying thats why everybody isn't ga ga over Prince.

He could write another hit but we might never know it because everybody doesnt want to deal with someone unprofessional

You cant live by not paying people properly.

Did you see what Rosie Gaines said?
Id take her word over Prince's anyday.

I agree with Trickology. Prince is a supremely talented and influential artist, but he's hopelessly vain and self-involved. It seems to me that his moments of marketing/business brilliance are outweighed by his lack of detail and consideration to his employees, business partners and clientele. If he never has another "hit" again (I doubt he NEEDS one), then he can look no further than the mirror, as far as I'm concerned.

Trickology said:

Me too.

This is old news folks. He doesn't seem to want to step back inside of the machine. You can't reach your full potential as a pop star.

Trickology said:

no what did Rosie say?

...blah, blah, blah!

Some views are better off left in the dark!

Rosie said Prince even secured the job of wiping Rosies bum whilst on tour circa 97-98.

Jokes aside,i recently saw a Liquid Assets feature about Prince on BBC3(UK),which had disgruntled firms who did work on Prince 'projects' and ended up filing for bankruptcy. He's a fantastic musician,one of the greats but lots of companys wont touch him with a barge pole.

That is so true said.

I can personally say, I am so greatful to all the companies who made Princes albums possible, and a long time now I was wondering; How come he can even get a deal when he expects so much and set so big demands? I was convinced that after the TRC, he was toast. No one would ever sign with him, cause they all know he wants too much from people. It's funny he wants so much, cause he ain't even that big anymore. I could understand if a hudge superstar like Wacko Jacko or Madonna demanded everything to be done perfectly in no-time, because they're still "stars". Many people don't even know who Prince is these days! And he can make music, that's true - but he wants to do everything by himself, and he can't cooperate with others. Even with people who are better than him.
I know perfectly how it is when U're convinced that if U want something done, U gotta do it yourself. I have problems with cooperating myself, working with others as a team. But if Prince wants to be a succesfull musician and bussinesman, he's got to learn to give other people some responsibility too. If it's gotta work for him.
But my conclusion is; he's too old to learn to work team-work with others. Too late for him, so let's just hope someone sees the awesome talent Prince posses and has the patience, time and finances to make him the star he once was.

I wish him luck