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Reply #30 posted 05/22/03 11:56am

rdhull

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VelvetSplash said:

rdhull said:

VelvetSplash said:

That was a very articulate piece Calhoun, thank you.

I must say that just because we all like Prince's music, that doesn't mean we all have to share the same ideology.

I'm a huge believer in people being individuals, and having different opinions and ideas about the world around them - but with that notion comes the huge responsibility of tollerance.

Without individualism, there is no need for tollerance, but I would rather take the burden of tollerance than lose my individuality.

blah blah blah yappity yap...propaHahndist razz




Ooops, I guess the secret subliminal pro-Possessed message in that post wasn't as hidden as I had hoped wink


Im putting your name on the list 3 times now.
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Reply #31 posted 05/22/03 12:00pm

shygirl

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Is Prince divisive?
Duh!
But it doesn't make him a racist. It just means that some of his views and opinions make for interesting discussion and individual interpretation.
And that's what divides us.
But I certainly prefer an opinionated Prince who we can agree or disagree with than someone who says whatever will make them popular. Too many artists today take the safe route and that's just plain boring.
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Reply #32 posted 05/22/03 12:08pm

NuPwrSoul

Supernova said:

unremarkable said:

"[Prince discriminates] between black and white folks, between colored and white folks, between religious and non religious folks, between JW's with "accurate knowledge of God and His law" and non JW's with unaccurate knowledge, between fams and fans, between Jews and African Americans, between Moors and white European "barbarians", who lived ages ago..."

As was written on t'other thread. And it's true.

Put your money where your mouth is; STOP buying his
recordings, STOP visiting sites dedicated to him,
STOP listening to his old music on the radio, GET RID
of your Prince collection, DON'T go to his gigs,
DON'T buy magazines with stories about him, STOP
supporting him in general. Since you deem him a
"racist" develop a backbone and walk your rambling
talk.

But you WON'T do that, will you? Because either you
have no integrity whatsoever, or you're just running
your mouth knowing he's not a racist, you're just upset
that he's saying things that pierce your overly delicate
sensibilities. Like the rest of the whining, crybabies
who can't stand it when Prince writes or
says ANYTHING about race or religion.

It's time out for talk for all you wet noodle whiners
who consider Prince a "racist," it's time for you
to develop a spine and stop being so
damn emotionally invested in every damn
thing Prince writes, says, or what you believe
he's saying by cutting your losses from this
so-called "racist" and moving on. Or on the other
hand, you will continue to talk out of your ass.


Wooohooo! woot! BAM!!! and there it is!
"That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32
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Reply #33 posted 05/22/03 1:30pm

unremarkable

Are all Americans this childish?
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Reply #34 posted 05/22/03 2:47pm

TheResistor

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yes
headbang
worship
clapping
clapping
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Way to break it down CalhounSq!
rainbow

"...literal people are scary, man
literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry
while getting it wrong fundamentally
down at the church of "look, it says right here, see!" - ani difranco
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Reply #35 posted 05/22/03 3:04pm

Handclapsfinga
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unremarkable said:

Are all Americans this childish?

poke read it all again!!!
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Reply #36 posted 05/22/03 4:16pm

MrTation

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Calhoun Sq
&
Supernova

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"...all you need ...is justa touch...of mojo hand....."
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Reply #37 posted 05/22/03 4:29pm

Jagjams

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Calhoun- gotta luv it
If 6 was 9 baby
They say money don't buy you luv. But it'll help w/ the search.
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Reply #38 posted 05/22/03 11:02pm

whodknee

unremarkable said:

Are all Americans this childish?


Yes we are so you probably wouldn't want to hang with us. Bye.
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Reply #39 posted 05/23/03 1:11am

onenitealone

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Calhoun - WOW!

Brilliant post and dead on it. hug

You're absolutely right and, as Sensual Melody said, we don't OWN Prince simply because we buy his music. We all like to think of ourselves as enlightened, rational, open-minded individuals but how many of us 'Open our hearts, open our minds'? The 'divisions' Prince (supposedly) creates are ones that people have cultivated within themselves.

Just because someone we look up to, and admire, pushed the envelope just that little but further than we expected, people shouldn't pounce on the issue just because they weren't ready for it/don't understand it/don't agree with it.

And if it's only now - 25 years after his first album - that you're going to start getting puzzled by a make-up wearing, frilly-shirted, falsetto screaming guy (and that isn't a criticism) - GET OUTTA HERE!
[This message was edited Fri May 23 1:12:21 PDT 2003 by onenitealone]
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Reply #40 posted 05/23/03 2:43am

Abrazo

Absolutely.

And even worse: he is deliberately divisive.
You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security.
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Reply #41 posted 05/23/03 2:45am

Abrazo

onenitealone said:

The 'divisions' Prince (supposedly) creates are ones that people have cultivated within themselves.

Yeah just ;like the unity he preached on Lovesexy. It's all in people's minds. Brilliant excuse. Go on and have yourself screwed over and over again by him.I bet you are loving it right now.

I don't look up to such an abusive man who just likes to play control games. I have lost almost all of the respect I have ever had for him.
You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security.
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Reply #42 posted 05/23/03 2:47am

Abrazo

Supernova said:

unremarkable said:

"[Prince discriminates] between black and white folks, between colored and white folks, between religious and non religious folks, between JW's with "accurate knowledge of God and His law" and non JW's with unaccurate knowledge, between fams and fans, between Jews and African Americans, between Moors and white European "barbarians", who lived ages ago..."

As was written on t'other thread. And it's true.

Put your money where your mouth is; STOP buying his
recordings, STOP visiting sites dedicated to him,
STOP listening to his old music on the radio, GET RID
of your Prince collection, DON'T go to his gigs,
DON'T buy magazines with stories about him, STOP
supporting him in general. Since you deem him a
"racist" develop a backbone and walk your rambling
talk.

But you WON'T do that, will you? Because either you
have no integrity whatsoever, or you're just running
your mouth knowing he's not a racist, you're just upset
that he's saying things that pierce your overly delicate
sensibilities. Like the rest of the whining, crybabies
who can't stand it when Prince writes or
says ANYTHING about race or religion.

It's time out for talk for all you wet noodle whiners
who consider Prince a "racist," it's time for you
to develop a spine and stop being so
damn emotionally invested in every damn
thing Prince writes, says, or what you believe
he's saying by cutting your losses from this
so-called "racist" and moving on. Or on the other
hand, you will continue to talk out of your ass.


And there you have it:

The complete DIVIDE... as preached by Supernova.

Fuck all the "naysayers. Let them all get the fuck out of here and have nothing ever to do with Prince or his fans anymore if they don't want to be ABUSED anymore.

The divide is there.

You can now be happy supernova.

Prince has lost even more of his fans and you can all EXCLUSIVELY enjoy his abuse now.

Good luck and have fun.


oh and btw

LOVE$ONEANOTHER
[This message was edited Fri May 23 2:49:41 PDT 2003 by Abrazo]
You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security.
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Reply #43 posted 05/23/03 2:54am

unremarkable

Right!

You know, if I make a law getting the black folks to sit at the back of the bus, would you say that it isn't divisive because the race divide is already in people's minds?

Regardless of what is in people's minds, what you do to encourage mutual understanding and appreciation is *integrate*. You don't say "you're either this or that", "you either sit here or there".
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Reply #44 posted 05/23/03 3:39am

CalhounSq

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unremarkable said:

You know, if I make a law getting the black folks to sit at the back of the bus, would you say that it isn't divisive because the race divide is already in people's minds?


WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???
heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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Reply #45 posted 05/23/03 3:45am

CalhounSq

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Abrazo said:

Absolutely.

And even worse: he is deliberately divisive.


You're pointing that finger again...
heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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Reply #46 posted 05/23/03 8:38am

Supernova

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Abrazo said:

And there you have it:

The complete DIVIDE... as preached by Supernova.{SNIPPED for victimized whining}

Cry me an ocean. If you're "abused" by Prince you deserve what you put up with.
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #47 posted 05/23/03 8:49am

Handclapsfinga
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CalhounSq said:

Abrazo said:

Absolutely.

And even worse: he is deliberately divisive.


You're pointing that finger again...

...and he has 3 fingers pointin right back at him, 2. nod
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Reply #48 posted 05/23/03 9:02am

FunkMistress

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unremarkable said:


You know, if I make a law getting the black folks to sit at the back of the bus, would you say that it isn't divisive because the race divide is already in people's minds?


I missed the news that Prince made a law that controlled others' behavior... confuse Was that thread deleted?
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Reply #49 posted 05/23/03 9:06am

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Bla bla bla...

Can we quit the race bullshit right now??? We are all children of the Rainbow, thank you!
RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time...
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Reply #50 posted 05/24/03 4:56am

CalhounSq

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FunkMistress said:

unremarkable said:


You know, if I make a law getting the black folks to sit at the back of the bus, would you say that it isn't divisive because the race divide is already in people's minds?


I missed the news that Prince made a law that controlled others' behavior... confuse Was that thread deleted?


I'M SAYIN...
heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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Reply #51 posted 05/24/03 12:44pm

preciosa863

CalhounSq said:

DIVISIVE: Creating dissension or discord.

DISCORD: Lack of agreement among persons, groups or things. Tension or strife resulting from a lack of agreement; dissension.

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I constantly hear Prince referred to as "divisive" when it comes to spiritual or racial topics. But obviously any "lack of agreement" there may be amongst his diverse fanbase exists already, it's just not readily discussed b/c most often we're collectively wrapped up in the bliss of a song, the anticipation of a tour, a funky utopia where nothing matters but the music. I suppose that's fair - it's what we know of him, what we've come to expect, what we love about the way his music makes us feel... but how many of us realize that feeling of unity via the funk is indeed momentary? An illusion? That you can cling to it if you want but something WILL inevitably (@ least momentarily) shake you out of it?

Instead of blaming Prince for that shake, we need to look @ ourselves. Prince is NOT divisive. The divisions are already there among people who disagree despite any unawareness of disagreement. And agreement will never occur w/o the presence of truth, the ability to look @ truth, & ulitmately the acceptance of truth. Now PLEASE hear this - I'm not saying Prince knows "the truth" about religion or race history. But I am saying it's wrong to fault him b/c of your inability to discuss issues that are very real in the world (even if it's not your world). It's wrong to hold him responsible for your illusion, i.e. "we were fine before he said this, this & that... why can't we just dance?"

Everything is not fine & has never been. And just as you are allowed (encouraged even) to grow & learn all you can, so can he - why hold him to a lesser standard? Should he never feel free to bring something else to the table? To speak his mind? Anything more than skimming the surface of race or religion is extremely hard for some to even consider, let alone discuss rationally. He gets nailed w/ terms like "racist" & "divisive" when he's only doing what he's always done by speaking his mind & sharing what's on his heart. Yet that practice isn't appreciated on the whole, only when it suits our individual needs - how fair is that?

I think some people feel betrayed when Prince does anything other than promote that cozy utopia, make you feel sexy & compliment the veil you're wearing. How dare he even have a thought that might actually make you lift that thing, let alone share it. And let me repeat, I ain't sayin he knows the way & to digest his version of "truth" word for word. Find the truth for yourself, just don't be mad @ him b/c he's exercising his right as a thinking being w/ a pen & paper.

It's appauling the way folks want nothing more than to shut him down as quickly as possible if he dares to ponder something different from what your ear is ready to hear. Prince is a grown-ass man, not a puppet. As much as I'd like him to sing Red House instead of Purple House, he's gonna do it the way he wants (LOL). As much as some don't want so much religion in his music (me being one of them) or worship of any particular slant, he's gonna inject as much as he wants of whatever variety he wants. As much as some don't wanna think about his race, he's gonna throw out a reminder every now & again for those that forget. He does what he feels - it's his life, his path. He's not divisive, but the feelings WE have about certain topics are. Point the finger where it belongs - stop glaring @ him for a moment & take a good look @ yourself...

twocents

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[This message was edited Thu May 22 8:13:21 PDT 2003 by CalhounSq]


You go girl!!! If it weren't for Cal, and Nupwrsoul ( and a few others) a lot of what other people think and haven't said would never be heard. Props to you guys (you know who u are!!).
u & me, we got mad chemisty
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Reply #52 posted 05/24/03 12:48pm

preciosa863

Supernova said:

unremarkable said:

"[Prince discriminates] between black and white folks, between colored and white folks, between religious and non religious folks, between JW's with "accurate knowledge of God and His law" and non JW's with unaccurate knowledge, between fams and fans, between Jews and African Americans, between Moors and white European "barbarians", who lived ages ago..."

As was written on t'other thread. And it's true.

Put your money where your mouth is; STOP buying his
recordings, STOP visiting sites dedicated to him,
STOP listening to his old music on the radio, GET RID
of your Prince collection, DON'T go to his gigs,
DON'T buy magazines with stories about him, STOP
supporting him in general. Since you deem him a
"racist" develop a backbone and walk your rambling
talk.

But you WON'T do that, will you? Because either you
have no integrity whatsoever, or you're just running
your mouth knowing he's not a racist, you're just upset
that he's saying things that pierce your overly delicate
sensibilities. Like the rest of the whining, crybabies
who can't stand it when Prince writes or
says ANYTHING about race or religion.

It's time out for talk for all you wet noodle whiners
who consider Prince a "racist," it's time for you
to develop a spine and stop being so
damn emotionally invested in every damn
thing Prince writes, says, or what you believe
he's saying by cutting your losses from this
so-called "racist" and moving on. Or on the other
hand, you will continue to talk out of your ass.


ohhh, and Supernova belongs on that prop list as well!!! Rd and Sensual Melody...you guys too. I guess my list is a lot longer than just a few!!
u & me, we got mad chemisty
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Reply #53 posted 05/24/03 1:37pm

AmethystAngelM
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***B...A...R...F***

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barf barf barf barf: barf barf barf barf

I can't even begin to list all the things (and why bother to?) I'm seeing lately in the Prince community that are making me want to heave my guts out.

(Calhoun my comment is not directed at your original post...just wanted to clarify)
[This message was edited Sat May 24 13:39:10 PDT 2003 by AmethystAngelMN]
[This message was edited Sat May 24 13:39:59 PDT 2003 by AmethystAngelMN]
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Reply #54 posted 05/24/03 1:50pm

NettieSmiles

Supernova said:

Abrazo said:

And there you have it:

The complete DIVIDE... as preached by Supernova.{SNIPPED for victimized whining}

Cry me an ocean. If you're "abused" by Prince you deserve what you put up with.



clapping nod

If you KNEW what you were in for, then why did you REJOIN the club?
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Reply #55 posted 05/24/03 3:02pm

Abrazo

NettieSmiles said:

Supernova said:

Abrazo said:

And there you have it:

The complete DIVIDE... as preached by Supernova.{SNIPPED for victimized whining}

Cry me an ocean. If you're "abused" by Prince you deserve what you put up with.



clapping nod

If you KNEW what you were in for, then why did you REJOIN the club?


I did not re-join, because I knew from last year what it would be like.

And as for the rest of the wishes going against me. If I am a white man and I write degrading BULLSHIT about black heritage you would all lynch my ass here.

But I am a white man who takes offense of Prince's divisive words and actions, and I am still being lynched by all you mf's for speaking up.

You all have no idea how much hypocracy you show.
You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security.
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Reply #56 posted 05/24/03 3:21pm

Handclapsfinga
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Abrazo said:

But I am a white man who takes offense of Prince's divisive words and actions, and I am still being lynched by all you mf's for speaking up.

the door's that way, sir. arrow
if u can't take certain aspects of things 'round here, maybe this isn't quite the website 4 ya.

You all have no idea how much hypocracy you show.




...and it's spelled hypocrisy.
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Reply #57 posted 05/24/03 3:49pm

Supernova

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Abrazo said:

NettieSmiles said:

Supernova said:

Abrazo said:

And there you have it:

The complete DIVIDE... as preached by Supernova.{SNIPPED for victimized whining}

Cry me an ocean. If you're "abused" by Prince you deserve what you put up with.



clapping nod

If you KNEW what you were in for, then why did you REJOIN the club?


I did not re-join, because I knew from last year what it would be like.

And as for the rest of the wishes going against me. If I am a white man and I write degrading BULLSHIT about black heritage you would all lynch my ass here.

But I am a white man who takes offense of Prince's divisive words and actions, and I am still being lynched by all you mf's for speaking up.

You all have no idea how much hypocracy you show.

Says the pot to the kettles...
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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