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Thread started 05/20/03 11:46am

Anji

The Rainbow Children is a much happier album than Lovesexy

This following excerpt is not mine. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to use it but it was the inspiration behind this thread, and I couldn't have described it better myself. Hopefully, the author will contribute too...

Yes, 'Lovesexy' was something of a turning point for me when I first heard it. It remains Prince's most consistent album ever.And I make that statement quite inequivocally, without fearing that I might sound like an ass.
Same sound throughout. Despite all the primary colour coordinated, nonsensical scheme used to package the singles that were issued from it, 'Lovesexy' was Prince's ethereal album, and I suspect hugely influenced by all the pentecostal vibe going on around him at the time. Blame: The Steeles, Mavis Staples, et al.(now that I think about it, blame that same lot for Prince's "Power of Surrender" stance at the end of 'Graffiti Bridge'!)It was traditional church first and foremost that informed the feel as well as the sound of Lovesexy. Dissonant counter melodies signifying the struggle between good and evil, but at the same time, always seeking, like a fame-starved, demented evolutionist hoping to justify his theory as fact at all costs, to find a common ground between the sacred and the profane, the ultimate connection between the spiritual and the flesh. Not many people bought the concept at that time, neither here in Europe nor in America. It's funny, then, to observe so many adepts and converts of the 'Lovesexy' spirit sooo late in the game...

Despite all that, 'Lovesexy' was Prince still searching for answers and he remained a much confused individual spiritually (a hark back to his "I'm so confused" speech during the spooky middle of the Purple Rain concerts). But it was a progress of sorts since, for the first time Prince had succeeded in conveying a convincingly happy and positive attitude in his music (perilously close to happy-clappy and shouty, I know... the vaudevillian and downright tacky pentecostal church vibe was in full throttle here - witness the material that was leftover from the 'Lovesexy' sessions: the spin-tingling 'The Line' plus a rendition of 'Take My Hand, Precious Lord'). It was the sound of a man, funnily enough, searching for a penny in a dark room with no light, searching for a flick of the switch that was to obliterate the darkness and nullify once and for all his inner turmoil. Let's not forget where Prince was coming from: a broken home where much of the values of Seventh Day Adventists were still being practised in some form or another, along with all the hypocrisy.

In my opinion, Prince reached a resolution with 'The Rainbow Children'. TRC finds him solidly grounded and fully realised, finally at peace.

Take that to the bank.


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[This message was edited Tue May 20 13:00:59 PDT 2003 by Anji]
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Reply #1 posted 05/20/03 11:49am

stymie

Anji, can I answer this question with a simple "no"?
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Reply #2 posted 05/20/03 12:04pm

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I don't agree at all Go back and listen to Lovesex...Prince found what he was looking for. Yes there is a searching tone throughout the album but whatever "Lovesexy" was to him, it was that that he found and it was that which caused him to rejoice.

Prince had it right the first time around...
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Reply #3 posted 05/20/03 12:05pm

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Reply #4 posted 05/20/03 12:05pm

TRON

I could go on and on about this. But I won't. TRC is dark and heavy. Lovesexy is light and happy. The end.
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Reply #5 posted 05/20/03 12:05pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I don't agree at all Go back and listen to Lovesex...Prince found what he was looking for. Yes there is a searching tone throughout the album but whatever "Lovesexy" was to him, it was that that he found and it was that which caused him to rejoice.

Prince had it right the first time around...


It put my name upon my thigh
It make me dance, it make me cry
And when I touch it, race cars burn rubber in my pants

This feelin's so good in every single way
I want it morning, noon and night of every day
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Reply #6 posted 05/20/03 12:05pm

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I don't think so although the analysis was a great one and I could see how one could believe that. I do agree that he was searching during Lovesexy, but I have to include a reference to the Black Album in here because I believe that Lovesexy is incomplete with out the Black Album as far as where his head was at that point in time.
I believe that the happiness is more apparent on Lovesexy because of the emergence from the darkness of the Black Album.

When I first heard Rainbow Children I totally felt the JW vibe but it didn't strike me as happiness, more of this is what I believe now and I am putting it out there. It didn't seem peaceful or resolute ( not sure if that is the right word) to me. Now don't get me wrong I love TRC but I did not feel happiness emanating from it like I did Lovesexy, I felt a resolution coming out of Lovesexy. TRC did not strike me like that..

But that is just my opinion.
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Reply #7 posted 05/20/03 12:14pm

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At first it looked obvious to me but it isnt. Lovesexy was forced happy..TRC is not. Of course TRC seems much darker and bitter but its honest at least..an honest happiness found. Nothing like the forced and faked unrealistic happy of Lovesexy. I still cant believe people fall for that one still.
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Reply #8 posted 05/20/03 12:15pm

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rdhull said:

At first it looked obvious to me but it isnt. Lovesexy was forced happy..TRC is not. Of course TRC seems much darker and bitter but its honest at least..an honest happiness found. Nothing like the forced and faked unrealistic happy of Lovesexy. I still cant believe people fall for that one still.


Before the truth I did not care
Now I feel it everywhere!
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Reply #9 posted 05/20/03 12:15pm

Pochacco

no no no! Lovesexy is such an uplifting album,it really is.

Personally TRC leaves me cold,I have only listened to it

a handful of times,I had hope that it might grow but no

I do not like it at all

Much love yes Pochacco
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Reply #10 posted 05/20/03 12:16pm

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I don't think TRC is even close to being a happy LP. It's not a celebration as much as a transition. Lovesexy is a confident declaration of faith and joy. TRC strikes me as an often joyless, plodding, defiant declaration of faith.

Let me ask the proponent of this thread (Anji or whoever)one question: On a sunny day, as you're going out for a drive, which LP would you take? For me, Lovesexy, no question. TRC does little but gather dust for me.
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Reply #11 posted 05/20/03 12:16pm

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I love them both.
Lovesexy makes race cars burn rubber in my leather pants,
and TRC makes me feel like a happy singing Christian in church even though I'm not Christian.
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Reply #12 posted 05/20/03 12:17pm

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FunkMistress said:

rdhull said:

At first it looked obvious to me but it isnt. Lovesexy was forced happy..TRC is not. Of course TRC seems much darker and bitter but its honest at least..an honest happiness found. Nothing like the forced and faked unrealistic happy of Lovesexy. I still cant believe people fall for that one still.


Before the truth I did not care
Now I feel it everywhere!

word..happy inside of the machine is not as fulfilling as happy outside of the machine..at least not to me
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Reply #13 posted 05/20/03 12:20pm

FunkMistress

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rdhull said:

FunkMistress said:

rdhull said:

At first it looked obvious to me but it isnt. Lovesexy was forced happy..TRC is not. Of course TRC seems much darker and bitter but its honest at least..an honest happiness found. Nothing like the forced and faked unrealistic happy of Lovesexy. I still cant believe people fall for that one still.


Before the truth I did not care
Now I feel it everywhere!

word..happy inside of the machine is not as fulfilling as happy outside of the machine..at least not to me


Okay, Morpheus. lol
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Reply #14 posted 05/20/03 12:21pm

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FunkMistress said:

rdhull said:

FunkMistress said:

rdhull said:

At first it looked obvious to me but it isnt. Lovesexy was forced happy..TRC is not. Of course TRC seems much darker and bitter but its honest at least..an honest happiness found. Nothing like the forced and faked unrealistic happy of Lovesexy. I still cant believe people fall for that one still.


Before the truth I did not care
Now I feel it everywhere!

word..happy inside of the machine is not as fulfilling as happy outside of the machine..at least not to me


Okay, Morpheus. lol


lol
is that how it came off as?
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Reply #15 posted 05/20/03 12:22pm

FunkMistress

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rdhull said:

FunkMistress said:

rdhull said:

FunkMistress said:

rdhull said:

At first it looked obvious to me but it isnt. Lovesexy was forced happy..TRC is not. Of course TRC seems much darker and bitter but its honest at least..an honest happiness found. Nothing like the forced and faked unrealistic happy of Lovesexy. I still cant believe people fall for that one still.


Before the truth I did not care
Now I feel it everywhere!

word..happy inside of the machine is not as fulfilling as happy outside of the machine..at least not to me


Okay, Morpheus. lol


lol
is that how it came off as?


Just poke you. mr.green
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Reply #16 posted 05/20/03 12:30pm

Anji

stymie said:

Anji, can I answer this question with a simple "no"?
Yes. lol
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Reply #17 posted 05/20/03 12:37pm

Anji

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I don't agree at all Go back and listen to Lovesex...Prince found what he was looking for. Yes there is a searching tone throughout the album but whatever "Lovesexy" was to him, it was that that he found and it was that which caused him to rejoice.

Prince had it right the first time around...
I love Lovesexy too, Supa. I do think that it represents a joyous celebration, a new lease of life, something ecstatic as opposed to any deep rooted sense of happiness, worth or value.

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Reply #18 posted 05/20/03 12:38pm

Anji

TRON said:

I could go on and on about this. But I won't. TRC is dark and heavy. Lovesexy is light and happy. The end.
This is too simplistic, Tron. wink
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Reply #19 posted 05/20/03 12:40pm

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rdhull said:

At first it looked obvious to me but it isnt. Lovesexy was forced happy..TRC is not. Of course TRC seems much darker and bitter but its honest at least..an honest happiness found. Nothing like the forced and faked unrealistic happy of Lovesexy. I still cant believe people fall for that one still.


That music sounds fake to you?? confuse
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Reply #20 posted 05/20/03 12:41pm

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Anji said:

In my opinion, Prince reached a resolution with 'The Rainbow Children'. TRC finds him solidly grounded and fully realised, finally at peace.

Take that to the bank.


Yeah, the Bank of B.S. "Solidly grounded and fully realized"? I think not, more importantly -- I hope not. Full realization is the death of a great artist. If there are no questions, there is no searching, and nothing new.

Anji, you gonna reveal this mystery writer to us???
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Reply #21 posted 05/20/03 12:41pm

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butterfli25 said:

I believe that the happiness is more apparent on Lovesexy because of the emergence from the darkness of the Black Album.
Was that feeling Prince got actually enlightenment, rather than happiness?

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Reply #22 posted 05/20/03 12:42pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I don't agree at all Go back and listen to Lovesexy...Prince found what he was looking for. Yes there is a searching tone throughout the album but whatever "Lovesexy" was to him, it was that that he found and it was that which caused him to rejoice.

Prince had it right the first time around...


what he said.
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Reply #23 posted 05/20/03 12:42pm

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That can't be because The Rainbow Children sucks. hmm
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Reply #24 posted 05/20/03 12:51pm

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rdhull said:

At first it looked obvious to me but it isnt. Lovesexy was forced happy..TRC is not. Of course TRC seems much darker and bitter but its honest at least..an honest happiness found. Nothing like the forced and faked unrealistic happy of Lovesexy. I still cant believe people fall for that one still.
Unlike you, Rd, I don't believe that Lovesexy was 'forced happiness.' I definitely feel it was the musical result of a realisation that there was a better way to live. I know, it feels magical and that's where the real difference lies. The Rainbow Children does not feel anywhere near as magical as Lovesexy; it sounds more at ease. Isn't that what true happiness is about, being at ease with oneself?

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Reply #25 posted 05/20/03 12:54pm

Anji

Of course, I'm not suggesting that the effect The Rainbow Children leaves with the listener, is necessarily one of happiness. I'm speaking about the artist's personal perspectives, in my opinion.

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Reply #26 posted 05/20/03 12:57pm

Anji

madartista said:

Anji said:

In my opinion, Prince reached a resolution with 'The Rainbow Children'. TRC finds him solidly grounded and fully realised, finally at peace.

Take that to the bank.


Yeah, the Bank of B.S. "Solidly grounded and fully realized"? I think not, more importantly -- I hope not. Full realization is the death of a great artist. If there are no questions, there is no searching, and nothing new.

Anji, you gonna reveal this mystery writer to us???

There is no mystery to this writer. He wrote the passage to me in an orgnote this morning, or afternoon. I hope he'll reveal himself, especially to debate certain responses here.

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Reply #27 posted 05/20/03 1:07pm

Anji

okaypimpn said:

That can't be because The Rainbow Children sucks. hmm
This perspective has very little to do with the point of the thread.

rolleyes
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Reply #28 posted 05/20/03 1:16pm

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Anji said:

rdhull said:

At first it looked obvious to me but it isnt. Lovesexy was forced happy..TRC is not. Of course TRC seems much darker and bitter but its honest at least..an honest happiness found. Nothing like the forced and faked unrealistic happy of Lovesexy. I still cant believe people fall for that one still.
Unlike you, Rd, I don't believe that Lovesexy was 'forced happiness.' I definitely feel it was the musical result of a realisation that there was a better way to live. I know, it feels magical and that's where the real difference lies. The Rainbow Children does not feel anywhere near as magical as Lovesexy; it sounds more at ease. Isn't that what true happiness is about, being at ease with oneself?

reading

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[This message was edited Tue May 20 12:51:54 PDT 2003 by Anji]


It sems forced to me...He basically did the same themes that were in Lovesexy in ATWIAD..Lovesexy seemed like rehash. Plus he had to take another song ( The Ball) and make it into Eye-Know. Now if he was really feeling it then he would have not had to take another song and just change lyrics etc...he wold have been "inspired by good" and put different music to the wotrds. To me this shows that it was at the very LEAST, semi calculated, i.e. forced or fake, or what have you. At the time of release the music etc was a let down after the grand statement of SOTT imho.
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

rdhull said:

At first it looked obvious to me but it isnt. Lovesexy was forced happy..TRC is not. Of course TRC seems much darker and bitter but its honest at least..an honest happiness found. Nothing like the forced and faked unrealistic happy of Lovesexy. I still cant believe people fall for that one still.


That music sounds fake to you?? confuse


kind of..as in he wrote a lot of these melodies without much thought etc...like he did it in his sleep. As well as his "easy" stance of "looking on th ebright side of life"



that comp bleep in Lovesexy edit
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