Anji said:

Could be?
But I do agree that the vibe on TRC was not so much happiness as this is where I am now.

Anji said:

I understand that the truth hurts sometimes, but you just have to learn to accept it.

rdhull said:

Maybe in retrospect it looked forced and faked to you but when it came out I remember feeling the happiness and I could not put my finger on it until I heard the Black album. He was someplace where he had not been before, call it enlightenment or happiness but it was different at the time. Now looking back and with TRC and his religious conversion to compare it with I could see how people could "fall" for the "happiness" of TRC and think that the happiness on Lovesexy is contrived, but at the time, 1987-88, I believe it was genuine.

okaypimpn said:

If you would care to explain the truth...

Personally, I prefer Lovesexy sonically.
At 1st, I didnt agree with what RDhull said, but then I sat and pondered on what he'd posted awhile. I THINK (and correct me here if Im wrong RD) what He was trying 2 put across is that whereas Lovesexy's themes of happiness, positivity, peace and joy were ethereal, spiritualistic, and ungrounded, The Rainbow Children finds a 'truth' within reality - albeit a sometimes cold/harsh one.
Whether or not that particular 'truth' is 2 YOUR liking however, is I guess 4 another thread, another time...

*am-i-on-the-same-page-edit*

butterfli25 said:

Whether it (Lovesexy) was genuine to Prince at the time, it sure was genuine to so many of us who were inspired by that album when it first came out. For Prince to basically say that TRC is the real deal, when Lovesexy did so much to save me spiritually, well it just smacks sour in my mouth.

I would have no problem with Prince giving his message and leaving it at that, but I did have a problem that he tried to dismiss Lovesexy and insert TRC in it's place.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

yes I agree with you, I really inspired me too, especially at a time when I really needed inspiration.


I wish he would not have done that I wish like you said he would just leave it alone.

Where on earth did Prince compare The Rainbow Children to Lovesexy? I've always assumed it was just the people on here. Both are very genuine expressions, in my opinion.

(Rd, does the reworking of The Ball necessarily remove the authencity in its expression on Eye No? I don't think so).

bananacologne said:

Yeah I think thats it. I mean some of Princes yearnings and reaching has been kind of unfathonmable, basic, and at times unrelaistic. TRC may have found happy in a cold harsh world, but thats what we live in. A cold harsh one. We all KNOW this. We all have our experiwences etc. And Im not trying to go the cynic or easy "realistic" route. Im just saying how things are.

And Im not saying that one cant find what they need in Lovesexy or TRC...hel soem can find what they need in Andy Williams or whomever. If it works for you, then right on.

Anji said:

I remember on the NPGMC year 1 where Prince, or at least one of his people, stated something like TRC is what Lovesexy was meant to be or something to that effect. If someone that worked for Prince made that statement, it was made on his site without any correction so I took it as a sanctioned statement from Prince.

rdhull said:

Right on right on
It works for me..

rdhull said:

I think Andy Williams may be pushing that particular boat out a little TOO far there darlin'

stymie said:

don't wish to diss ol' anji ol' buddy ol' pal but lovesexy is other than being being generally happier a farrr superior album to RC

Anji said:

I do..as I have explained why. Inauthenticity ina nutshell. I responded to many posts on diff subjects that i could have just copied and printed from my amp days but I made each response as to how I felt then and if it was the same I did it in that time of feel..and if I coopied I made clear that "I wrote this before" was stated. I dojt excpect it to be understood but thats how I explain it.

same with prince..he has this feeling of Lovesexy yet goes back and says "hmm--lemme use this music and chane the words to fit it " etc

bananacologne said:

Im jus sayin..lots of things can move or inspire or help people. Point being most people thinking that this Lovesexy by that freak prince is spiritual and guiding or helpful etc? See?
Im saying in our Prince context it did not move me.I did not feel it and felt it was bogus etc. The anger of things in 1999 and the atmosphere of love surrounding ATWIAD and soem of PR and throughout SOTT were more real to me. Lovesexy coming after all of that seemed...pedestrian at times.

rdhull said:

What if the music fit the words he wrote? I don't see it as rehash at all and you wouldn't either if you didn't listen to bootlegs

rdhull said:

Personally speaking, I think Eyo No has much more passion about it than The Ball. I can see where the origins came from but he took that song to another level; I guess that's Lovesexy for you, Rd.

rdhull said:

You say pedestrian, I say salvation!

I never tire of telling this story (and yes I cut and pasted cuz it's always how I feel)
___

I think many of us who have been fans since the beginning tend to base our opinions on how good a Prince album is, especially one from the 80s, on how much it affected us in our lives at that time. I was 18 when Lovesexy came out and I was just dealing with admitting I was gay. I drew on the spiritual strength of that album to help me get through the rejection I faced from family and friends. I listened to it with a searching soul and I found answers. Some of the answers lie in the album itself, but other answers I discovered within my own self as I listened over and over. Seeing Prince on the cover naked and bare gave me the strength and courage to face my own newfound “nakedness”. Having to face society’s anger and hate was a tough choice but I thought if Prince could be THAT honest and open, so could I. I always saw the cover as one of God’s creatures simply existing in a state of truth. I always knew the cover wasn’t supposed to be a nasty thing, rather Prince exposed and bare and having no shame about basking in the glorious knowledge he found in the midst of despair.

For personal reasons I happen to believe that this album IS a masterpiece. But I also believe this from a musical standpoint. IMO, Lovesexy still sounds fresh. If you took that album and compared it to any and everything around it at the time it was released, it totally stands alone. The only argument about the sound being dated is the use of the Linn drum, other than that, you can’t say this has an 80s sound to it. You really can’t even compare it to the music that Prince made before and after. It is so unique. I agree that this album personified Prince the best.

I love the lyrics. Even the “silly” ones. One of the things that is the most fun about Prince’s music is trying to figure out what all the metaphorical wording means. It brings out the creativity in us all when we discuss lyrics that make absolutely no sense on the surface. Usually we come to amazing conclusions and for that, the lyrics will never bother me. Besides there are many other lyrics that stand out, probably the best being “In every man’s life there will be a hang-up, a whirlwind designed to slow you down. It cuts like a knife, it tries to get in you…this spooky electric sound. Give up if you want to and all is lost, Spooky Electric will be your boss………….Don’t kiss the beast, be superior at least”. I STILL to this day rely on this album to help me achieve the right frame of mind when I think I’m down for the count. It puts me on my feet every time.

Love God, Love Life, Lovesexy!!

Anji said:

This is the truth! Case in point...My lord is so quiet, when he calls your name. When you hear it your heart will Thunder...You will want to hear it everyday!"

I know that was not part of the Ball.

I guess all we're really discussing here are the differences between the euphoric expressions of faith in Lovesexy to the ones of a calmer, more assured nature in The Rainbow Children.

Perhaps, happiness was a poorly chosen word to describe the difference between the two albums. As Rd suggests, the dream and reality? I guess it all depends on which reality you choose to live. It appears Prince has chosen his.

Nah, not at all.

Lovesexy is JOYOUS.

TRC is dogmatic and bitter - yet funky!

I don't see any Happiness with either but a sense of trying to find a balance of the Up's&Downs of everyday Life&It's Surroundings IMHO.

In hindesight, Lovesexy is joyous, yet delussional, I guess we will have to wait the test of time to see if TRC results in the same finality.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Dayum lol

So? Just because he wrote more ethereal or so called inspirtation words to The Balls music doesnt change the fact that in heart it is not authentic..."hmm..the ball..lemme change the words and spruce it up to something that fits this Lovesexy theme" etc.

I dont care if he wrote the magna friggin carta to The Ball..he still was not authentic (hence fake) about this etc.

salvation in lovesexy?edit
[This message was edited Tue May 20 18:03:50 PDT 2003 by rdhull]

oveSexy is more... on the Smoov tip & TRC is more... Funk Driven... my Oppinion

Anji said:

Okay...let me break it down for you this way. Watch the letters in what I'm about to write you very closely.

T H E R A I N B O W C H I L D R E N C D S U C K E D !

rdhull said:

I too felt this way at that time.And I miss your bigrollingstonelips...

MrTation said:

me too

is that Stevie in your av?