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Thread started 05/09/03 1:22pm

fairlite

Honest discussion, ...

Why do most of you dislike C & D
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Reply #1 posted 05/09/03 1:25pm

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Honest answer,

It's a throwaway album. I like a few songs, but it wouldn't be any thing I run in my cd player constantly. Prince just threw something together for WB so he could get out of his contract without giving WB any quality material.
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Reply #2 posted 05/09/03 1:31pm

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cuz it sux. what more do i have 2 say?
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Reply #3 posted 05/09/03 1:37pm

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C&D always brings up great memories because I bought it in NYC after seeing Prince in person performing on The Today Show.
But I have to admit that the songs lack that special something that makes me want to put the CD player on 'Repeat'.
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Reply #4 posted 05/09/03 1:48pm

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

cuz it sux. what more do i have 2 say?

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Reply #5 posted 05/09/03 1:54pm

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When I first heard C & D, I thought it was some kind of mistake. It sounded like a bunch of songs thrown onto a cassette so you can listen to them while driving around in your car.

I, of course, listened to it repeatedly. I think C & D is very unique and I mean that in a positive way.

To me, it all fits... rough production for rough songs.

I wasn't surprised to hear though that it was "thrown together to get Prince out of his deal with Warner Brothers." When I heard that, it all made sense.

Not my fave, but not my least fave either.
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Reply #6 posted 05/09/03 1:56pm

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I like the flaming toilet.

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Reply #7 posted 05/09/03 2:04pm

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Actually almost any of the lyrics on the album are enough to make me not like the album.


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[This message was edited Fri May 9 14:04:40 PDT 2003 by lovemachine]
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Reply #8 posted 05/09/03 2:06pm

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FunkMistress said:

I like the flaming toilet.

shrug

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Reply #9 posted 05/09/03 2:36pm

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it's got a couple of memorable tunes, but most of it is just throwaway music.
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Reply #10 posted 05/09/03 8:48pm

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I'm new to this board and am absolutely mystified by the dislike of this album. I've been a Prince fan since the beginning and Chaos was the record I always wanted him to make. I don't think he's put out a record as good since. I'd be interested to know as well a detailed reason why this record is so disliked, rather than a simplistic "because it sucks" type of answer. I love the rough guitar centered tunes. Everything since then has been a disapointment.

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Reply #11 posted 05/09/03 8:59pm

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thebige said:

I'd be interested to know as well a detailed reason why this record is so disliked, rather than a simplistic "because it sucks" type of answer.

1) it was by no means up 2 his standard. if you've been in the purple realm since the beginnin, u know full well what his capabilities are and how he coulda done better on c & d.

2) like you've seen people say already: this album wuz no more than a throwaway effort, due 2 it bein his last album 4 warners. "contractual obligation". he wanted 2 get outta their hair and fast. c & d wuz the end result.

3) it just plain sux.




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Reply #12 posted 05/09/03 9:20pm

JonSnow

it had 2 (well, 3 really) top-notch tracks:

- Same December
- Into the Light/ I Will.


Then there are a few that are nice, but run-of-the-mill by P's standards:

- C&D
- I like it there
- Dinner w/ Delores
- Zannalee

Then there are a few that are blights on his discography:

- i rock therefore i am
- right the wrong


so i put it as one of his weakest efforts, for the simple reason that so much of it (all but 3 tracks) is average to sub-par by P's standards.
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Reply #13 posted 05/09/03 9:44pm

fairlite

fairlite said:

Why do most of you dislike C & D



Ok some of you do have a point but one of the things I like about it is that it has a raw sound to it. To me it was very different and kinda refreshing to hear him do something that was more rock oriented (sp, sorry it's late) and kind of out of his norm. Sure it wasn't his best work but I still think it was very good for what it was. Sure if you want to call it a throw away album fine, but I think the only reason why some of you don't like it is because Prince called it a Contract Obligation. I don't mean to offend by that statement so please don't throw rocks at me smile
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Reply #14 posted 05/10/03 12:00am

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It's the weakest album he's ever put out...
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Reply #15 posted 05/10/03 9:48am

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fairlite said:

Sure if you want to call it a throw away album fine, but I think the only reason why some of you don't like it is because Prince called it a Contract Obligation. I don't mean to offend by that statement so please don't throw rocks at me smile


Well except he said the same thing about The Vault and that ranks towards the upper half of all Prince releases IMO.
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Reply #16 posted 05/10/03 12:22pm

ThreadBare

Dig U Better Dead is a good starting place.

Another factor is presentation (Think back to when an engaged Vanessa Huxtable brought Dabnus home with her to meet Cliff and Claire. Cliff mentioned something about getting a juicy steak and nice mashed potatoes served atop a garbage can lid.) The very art for the album suggests a rush job. Aside from the aforementioned song, Prince put out a decent album (I'd always wanted to hear him do country and "Right the Wrong" satisfied that). He presented it to the public as if it were little more than a collection of disposable songs, though.

If the presentation, marketing and publicity for it had been different, its lasting impression (even among us, his diehards) likely would have been more positive.
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Reply #17 posted 05/10/03 12:56pm

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i think it's the best 90s album from P. eamancipation was great but too long and C&D was a compact, quickie that left me breathless. sure it was a contractual obligation, but it rocked. it had every element a Prince album should have. in terms of varied musical styles, it's just like Purple Rain and SOTT. it is a varied album in my opinion.
i love it. well done, Prince. i like it better than TGE and i love that album.
D&P is a lite-soul/funk extravaganza
Symbol was more of the same
and then Come was more of the same
then C&D happened and boy did he open them valves.
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Reply #18 posted 05/10/03 3:00pm

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I like it. Play it about once every 6 months. Still like the country style songs and picture P in the cowboy hat pic singin it.
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Reply #19 posted 05/10/03 3:04pm

lovebizzare

I don't really have a problem with "chaos", though I don't ususally play it that often. He's done worse,IMO.

I think the reason why a lot of people don't like it is because it is asicly a throwaway album, his heart really wasn't into it, therefore it's no where near his best.

shrug It's okay, I guess.
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Reply #20 posted 05/11/03 5:03pm

fairlite

ThreadBare said:

Dig U Better Dead is a good starting place.

Another factor is presentation (Think back to when an engaged Vanessa Huxtable brought Dabnus home with her to meet Cliff and Claire. Cliff mentioned something about getting a juicy steak and nice mashed potatoes served atop a garbage can lid.) The very art for the album suggests a rush job. Aside from the aforementioned song, Prince put out a decent album (I'd always wanted to hear him do country and "Right the Wrong" satisfied that). He presented it to the public as if it were little more than a collection of disposable songs, though.

If the presentation, marketing and publicity for it had been different, its lasting impression (even among us, his diehards) likely would have been more positive.


This is what I tend to agree with BUT, from what you are saying is because Prince basicly left it to die Fans felt it wasn't worth it either and because of that they just assumed it sucked and made themselves believe it sucked because Prince wanted nothing to do with it.
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