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What if the Estate shopped vault songs to new artists? The thread about which vault songs could be hits in 2026 made me think of something. For about a decade between 1984 and 1993, Prince was an in-demand songwriter/producer in the music industry, writing all those songs for other artists. A practice that abruptly stopped, with a few exceptions, in 1994, when he decided he didn't want to give away his songs' master anymore. . Nevertheless, there's a ton of unreleased songs in the vault, some the Estate could try and shop around to new artists to rerecord (most likely from scratch in most cases, though some may choose to use parts of the original multitracks) and sing. I suspect that would be a better way to make "hits" than releasing decades-old tunes as such. . Now IDK whether that could work, but I suspect quite a few contemporary artists may feel honored to release an exclusive Prince track. And the Estate could always release the originals afterwards, getting more interest into them by having them sung by others first. . I know this idea may shock those who know me as a purist, but as as it doesn't involve tinkering with P's versions and may help getting those out later, I wouldn't mind such a practice. . Opinions?
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databank said: The thread about which vault songs could be hits in 2026 made me think of something. For about a decade between 1984 and 1993, Prince was an in-demand songwriter/producer in the music industry, writing all those songs for other artists. A practice that abruptly stopped, with a few exceptions, in 1994, when he decided he didn't want to give away his songs' master anymore. . Nevertheless, there's a ton of unreleased songs in the vault, some the Estate could try and shop around to new artists to rerecord (most likely from scratch in most cases, though some may choose to use parts of the original multitracks) and sing. I suspect that would be a better way to make "hits" than releasing decades-old tunes as such. . Now IDK whether that could work, but I suspect quite a few contemporary artists may feel honored to release an exclusive Prince track. And the Estate could always release the originals afterwards, getting more interest into them by having them sung by others first. . I know this idea may shock those who know me as a purist, but as as it doesn't involve tinkering with P's versions and may help getting those out later, I wouldn't mind such a practice. . Opinions?
That’s a refreshing idea ! 💜 Let’s start with Friction sung by ………… Bruno Mars or Janelle [Edited 3/3/26 18:29pm] [Edited 3/3/26 18:29pm] [Edited 3/3/26 18:31pm] | |
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No offense, but this is one of the worst ideas I've ever seen posted on here. I'm genuinely taken aback by how dumb that would be. No. Just, no. | |
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ShellyMcG said: No offense, but this is one of the worst ideas I've ever seen posted on here. I'm genuinely taken aback by how dumb that would be. No. Just, no.
None taken. But why are you so against the idea? . Or do you also disapprove of other artists covering Prince? Because to me it's kinda the same, only in that case the original isn't out yet. . Or is it because Prince himself wouldn't have picked what to offer to whom? . Just trying to understand. I'm not saying the idea is necessarily genius. But since everyone is always talking about making sure new generations get to know Prince and his legacy, and how to make the vault more profitable so they don't just sell mugs and t-shirts, it made sense to me. . Also, shopping around already released songs for covers is an old practice. Warner Chappell did it with some Prince songs in the 80s, which is the reason so many of the early covers were I Wanna Be Your Lover, Private Joy and I Feel For You. And Prince sometimes spontaneously offered songs to artists. [Edited 3/3/26 23:33pm] A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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Nice idea, I like it. I agree it could be a good chance of getting exposure and raise interest among younger generations. | |
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I think is a bad idea. One, first And foremost, as fans, I’m pretty sure we don’t want this. We want to hear Prince’s vault from Prince. Two, the prestige totally evaporates when it’s not Prince giving this song away. There’s little honour in being a marketing tool for an estate. Sure, some covers while Prince was alive were genuine covers - but the agency then lies with the artist to choose to cover the song. I like that Elvis Costello did Moonbeam Levels live, which shows an appreaciation of his unreleased catalogue from a similarly revered artist, but to be given unreleased songs feels schlocky. Hundalasiliah! | |
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I hear the argument. It's sound. . I think this would very much depend how the Estate and the people running it are perceived within the industry. If the perception is similar to what it is in the fandom, well... But it's very possible that it's different. We see things from an audience's perspective. In-industry perspectives may be vastly different. . IDK, when the Hendrix Estate commissioned the Power of Soul tribute album, many great artists answered the call (including Prince). Granted , it was covers not first releases, but I guess the point I'm trying to make is if the artists perceive the Prince Estate as honorable, they may feel honored. If they don't, well... . But OK, I submitted the idea being ready for people to think it's a terrible idea, and maybe it is. Let's see what others say. . On a sidenote, Costello wasn't the only one "covering" Prince bootlegs. It's also happened—studio or live—with In A Large Room With No Light, Extraloveable and Electric Intercourse (incidentally, each by 2 or 3 artists). I always suspected this might be the reason Prince decided to pull those out of the vault and reappropriate them (at least on stage for EI)—the timing was particularly revealing for Extraloveable, which got released soon after 2 "covers" made their way to YT. Vibrator was also "covered" circa 2002 (and recently rereleased on that covers comp), but I guess Prince wasn't gonna release his own version of that one no matter what [Edited 3/3/26 23:40pm] A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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databank said: ShellyMcG said: No offense, but this is one of the worst ideas I've ever seen posted on here. I'm genuinely taken aback by how dumb that would be. No. Just, no. None taken. But why are you so against the idea? . Or do you also disapprove of other artists covering Prince? Because to me it's kinda the same, only in that case the original isn't out yet. . Or is it because Prince himself wouldn't have picked what to offer to whom? . Just trying to understand. I'm not saying the idea is necessarily genius. But since everyone is always talking about making sure new generations get to know Prince and his legacy, and how to make the vault more profitable so they don't just sell mugs and t-shirts, it made sense to me. . Also, shopping around already released songs for covers is an old practice. Warner Chappell did it with some Prince songs in the 80s, which is the reason so many of the early covers were I Wanna Be Your Lover, Private Joy and I Feel For You. And Prince sometimes spontaneously offered songs to artists. [Edited 3/3/26 23:33pm] Where do I even begin? As thisisreece pointed out, there is no merit in covering a Prince song when Prince himself has not given the go-ahead for it. Plus, no artist of any substance is going to want to do that anyway. So the only ones interested in doing something like that are the flash-in-the-pan no-nsme popstars who will be forgotten about in a year. As a fan, would you really want to open Prince's vault to that caliber of artist? Because I certainly wouldn't. Also, as a fan, would you want your first experience of listening to an unreleased Prince song to be through another artist's voice? Because again, I certainly wouldn't. Even if, and it's a very big if, but even if any actually talented modern artist wanted to be apart of something like this, the best you could hope for would be the likes of Bruno Mars, Janelle Monae, Justin Timberlake (is he even considered "modern" anymore) and probably some rapper I've never heard of but is cool with the kids. Are these really who you'd want to hear performing unreleased Prince material? Prince was a very unique talent. Those artists I named have all, in one way or another, tried to mimic Prince's sound during their careers. But none of them are Prince. And if they have any respect for themselves, they'd want to put their own spin on those unreleased recordings. Which begs the question, what's the fucking point? Why would we, as Prince fans, want to hear another artist's rendition of an unreleased Prince song? We get nothing from that. And the fans of these artists won't give a shit if it's a cover of an unreleased Prince song because they don't know the Prince version (most of them probably don't know who Prince is anyway) so it won't hold any significance to them either. Literally nobody is benefitting from this. It would be just another colossal waste of time and resources that would be better spent putting together some sort of distribution system for unreleased Prince songs where Prince fans can buy them. | |
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ShellyMcG said: databank said: None taken. But why are you so against the idea? . Or do you also disapprove of other artists covering Prince? Because to me it's kinda the same, only in that case the original isn't out yet. . Or is it because Prince himself wouldn't have picked what to offer to whom? . Just trying to understand. I'm not saying the idea is necessarily genius. But since everyone is always talking about making sure new generations get to know Prince and his legacy, and how to make the vault more profitable so they don't just sell mugs and t-shirts, it made sense to me. . Also, shopping around already released songs for covers is an old practice. Warner Chappell did it with some Prince songs in the 80s, which is the reason so many of the early covers were I Wanna Be Your Lover, Private Joy and I Feel For You. And Prince sometimes spontaneously offered songs to artists. [Edited 3/3/26 23:33pm] Where do I even begin? As thisisreece pointed out, there is no merit in covering a Prince song when Prince himself has not given the go-ahead for it. Plus, no artist of any substance is going to want to do that anyway. So the only ones interested in doing something like that are the flash-in-the-pan no-nsme popstars who will be forgotten about in a year. As a fan, would you really want to open Prince's vault to that caliber of artist? Because I certainly wouldn't. Also, as a fan, would you want your first experience of listening to an unreleased Prince song to be through another artist's voice? Because again, I certainly wouldn't. Even if, and it's a very big if, but even if any actually talented modern artist wanted to be apart of something like this, the best you could hope for would be the likes of Bruno Mars, Janelle Monae, Justin Timberlake (is he even considered "modern" anymore) and probably some rapper I've never heard of but is cool with the kids. Are these really who you'd want to hear performing unreleased Prince material? Prince was a very unique talent. Those artists I named have all, in one way or another, tried to mimic Prince's sound during their careers. But none of them are Prince. And if they have any respect for themselves, they'd want to put their own spin on those unreleased recordings. Which begs the question, what's the fucking point? Why would we, as Prince fans, want to hear another artist's rendition of an unreleased Prince song? We get nothing from that. And the fans of these artists won't give a shit if it's a cover of an unreleased Prince song because they don't know the Prince version (most of them probably don't know who Prince is anyway) so it won't hold any significance to them either. Literally nobody is benefitting from this. It would be just another colossal waste of time and resources that would be better spent putting together some sort of distribution system for unreleased Prince songs where Prince fans can buy them. . I see your point. . What I would (cautiously) counterargue is: . 1/ I, as a fan, don't care to hear those "covers" much, The idea was more to answer to others' préoccupations about legacy and monetization. Though I'm sure it could be fun in some cases (IDK, Khruangbin, Chromeo, Say She She or Louis Cole could probably do something interesting with a Prince song, for example), but it's not something I need, of course. . 2/ Whether talented acts would be interested or not remains to be seen. You name big names, but it could also be smaller acts with devoted fanbases (usually, nowadays, those are much, much more interesting than the big stars). . 3/ Back in the 80s and early 90s, I guess many people who didn't own any Prince record did own a record with a Prince song on it. Did it get any of them into Prince? I don't know. But some albums with one or two Prince songs on them were big sellers. . 4/ While Prince wrote for some very talented artists who were songwriters in their own right, and for some really big names as well, he also gave songs to quite a few second, or third rate acts. He wasn't very picky himself (I don't know that he ever refused to give a song to anyone who asked), he was merely interested in the paycheck and, perhaps in some cases, the exposure. . 5/ If the current Estate showed any interest in releasing vault material, I may not even have had this idea. But since, according to some insiders info, vault releases are now considered a waste of money, I was trying to think out of the box to reinstate interest in the material, with the endgame always being to release new Prince records. [Edited 3/4/26 2:58am] A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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Not gonna lie, the idea of shopping Vault tracks to other artists is actually pretty interesting as a way to monetize the Vault. Prince himself gave songs away too.
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The only iteration I can imagine enjoying of this idea (or being worthwhile), would be to gather a collection of established artists who have a track record of respecting Prince for an album of vault covers. Something slightly silly like ‘The Unreleased Prince Songbook’, with the aim of establishing the evergreen quality of his songwriting. Artists like Beck (and in a similar vein perhaps, to his Song Reader), St. Vincent, Janelle Monae, Lenny Kravitz, Ani DiFranco, Ween, Elvis Costello, Yves Tumor, Jill Scott, John Grant… artists across genres who have shown props to Prince or cited him as an influence. As a one off project, recorded at Paisley Park or something, it could be fun, respectful, and a proper tribute to his (unreleased)body of work. It could turn a few heads… but certainly not a big seller. But otherwise, doling them out here and there to pop acts to try score some wider appeal I maintain is a terrible idea! Hundalasiliah! | |
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My opinion is they shouldn't fuck around with his material and especially not have some 15 minute no talent nobody rape his music.
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databank said: ShellyMcG said: Where do I even begin? As thisisreece pointed out, there is no merit in covering a Prince song when Prince himself has not given the go-ahead for it. Plus, no artist of any substance is going to want to do that anyway. So the only ones interested in doing something like that are the flash-in-the-pan no-nsme popstars who will be forgotten about in a year. As a fan, would you really want to open Prince's vault to that caliber of artist? Because I certainly wouldn't. Also, as a fan, would you want your first experience of listening to an unreleased Prince song to be through another artist's voice? Because again, I certainly wouldn't. Even if, and it's a very big if, but even if any actually talented modern artist wanted to be apart of something like this, the best you could hope for would be the likes of Bruno Mars, Janelle Monae, Justin Timberlake (is he even considered "modern" anymore) and probably some rapper I've never heard of but is cool with the kids. Are these really who you'd want to hear performing unreleased Prince material? Prince was a very unique talent. Those artists I named have all, in one way or another, tried to mimic Prince's sound during their careers. But none of them are Prince. And if they have any respect for themselves, they'd want to put their own spin on those unreleased recordings. Which begs the question, what's the fucking point? Why would we, as Prince fans, want to hear another artist's rendition of an unreleased Prince song? We get nothing from that. And the fans of these artists won't give a shit if it's a cover of an unreleased Prince song because they don't know the Prince version (most of them probably don't know who Prince is anyway) so it won't hold any significance to them either. Literally nobody is benefitting from this. It would be just another colossal waste of time and resources that would be better spent putting together some sort of distribution system for unreleased Prince songs where Prince fans can buy them. . I see your point. . What I would (cautiously) counterargue is: . 1/ I, as a fan, don't care to hear those "covers" much, The idea was more to answer to others' préoccupations about legacy and monetization. Though I'm sure it could be fun in some cases (IDK, Khruangbin, Chromeo, Say She She or Louis Cole could probably do something interesting with a Prince song, for example), but it's not something I need, of course. . 2/ Whether talented acts would be interested or not remains to be seen. You name big names, but it could also be smaller acts with devoted fanbases (usually, nowadays, those are much, much more interesting than the big stars). . 3/ Back in the 80s and early 90s, I guess many people who didn't own any Prince record did own a record with a Prince song on it. Did it get any of them into Prince? I don't know. But some albums with one or two Prince songs on them were big sellers. . 4/ While Prince wrote for some very talented artists who were songwriters in their own right, and for some really big names as well, he also gave songs to quite a few second, or third rate acts. He wasn't very picky himself (I don't know that he ever refused to give a song to anyone who asked), he was merely interested in the paycheck and, perhaps in some cases, the exposure. . 5/ If the current Estate showed any interest in releasing vault material, I may not even have had this idea. But since, according to some insiders info, vault releases are now considered a waste of money, I was trying to think out of the box to reinstate interest in the material, with the endgame always being to release new Prince records. [Edited 3/4/26 2:58am] 1. See. Even you're not particularly interested in this kind of thing. And it was your idea 2. Smaller acts like Chromeo or Mayer Hawthorne may be capable of doing interesting covers but like I said earlier, their versions would likely sound nothing like the Prince originals. So what's the point in having them cover the song in the first place? I'd rather just hear the Prince version. 3. This isn't the 80s anymore. Prince is not a popular artist among the youth and his particular brand of music does not appeal to the youth of today. Now, maybe if someone like Bruno Mars or something covered it, it could potentially be a medium sized hit with the right promotion. But again this leads me back to what I said earlier, do we, as Prince fans, have any interest in hearing the big popstars of today covering unreleased Prince songs? Maybe some do but I feel that the majority of us don't because the modern popstars that appeal to the youth and are capable of selling records nowadays are shit. And if we're talking about the likes of Chromeo or other smaller artists doing it instead then any kind of sales potential is further reduced because those smaller artists are considered "smaller" for a reason. They don't sell in big numbers. And releasing an unknown Prince cover isn't going to help. 4. True. But that was when there was a paycheck there to be made. Giving out songs to lesser artists won't make you any money these days. All it does is further aggravate a fan base who just want to hear Prince's unreleased material performed by nobody else but Prince. Besides, repeating Prince's bad business decisions is probably not the best way to honour the man's legacy. 5. I understand why you're making these suggestions and I appreciate the effort. As fans, we're all kind of just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. In the absence of any actual releases from the vault, it's all we've got. I don't think this particular idea is a good one though. You mentioned the Jimi Hendrix tribute album earlier. I think something like that would be a much better idea. Having a bunch of other artists, old and new, big and small, do covers of Prince's greatest hits. Sure, it's not exactly what I would want. But I think it could be an interesting project if you had the right people covering the right songs. Bruce Springsteen doing Purple Rain, Chromeo doing Dirty Mind, Janelle Monae doing Kiss, etc. And of course, the estate could make the whole package more worthwhile if they included a couple of bonus tracks from the vault or something. | |
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TBH, I don't know anything the Estate did so far was "ethical", but I see where you're coming from. . Just to clarify where I stand about the "frankensteining", I think everyone here knows how opposed to it I usually am (whether official or fanmade)there are a few grey areas where I can tolerate the approach. This would be one because the final product by ARTIST X couldn't possibly be confused with the original. Another one (though it was rarely ever used to great results), is posthumous remixes of released songs by another established artist, like what Bill Laswell did with Bob Marley, because that usually cannot be confused with the originals either (now let me be clear: I'd rather they don't do this with Prince's music . TBH I only suggested the idea of using P's backing tracks in passing, because it was common when he gave away songs, but I don't think that would be the most interesting approach for any musician doing it. Regarding the legalities of it all, I gotta admit I hadn't thought about it. Warner could only object to the use of a recording, though, not a composition. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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As you said, it was indeed throwing shit to the wall to see what would stick. So far, most of the feedback isn't too hot about the idea, so OK, fair enough. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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IDK, I only know Herbie's cover in the above, but I think you guys are being a little harsh. Granted, few Prince covers (if any) blew my mind, but there's been quite a few that I found rather decent. . Either way, tribute albums usually come from a good place. But where I don't see this happening anyway is because in order to commission such a project ,the Estate would most likely have to pay the artists for studio time, session musicians and some advance whatsoever. I guess this could still be profitable in 2004 (and even more in 1993 when the first Hendrix tribute album was made), but I don't think the Estate would make a penny with anything like that in 2026. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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I don't care if other people do covers, so long as we can hear a Prince original. I've got no interest in hearing others sing the songs, but if it makes money for the estate and we get the original, then I'm happy. The orger formerly known as https://prince.org/profil...nglishGent | |
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It's funny, because many fans seem to feel that way. I love Prince's voice, obviously, but if his vision for one song was to have Paul or Jill or Morris or Mavis sing it, to me it was never different from him choosing to have Michael or John play the drums when he could just as well do it himself (and I never heard anyone ask for the version of such or such song with Prince on drums, or any other instrument except his voice—yet, his drumming style was vastly different from that of most of his drummers, same with every other instrument). A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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I do also have to echo databank's sentiments here in that it's a bit harsh to say every Prince cover has been shit. Sure, many of them are. If I never hear Tom Jones singing Kiss again it will be too soon. But several artists have done good covers. Springsteen's Purple Rain for one. I don't even particularly like that song but he did a decent job of it. D'Angelo did several Prince covers over the years like She's Always In My Hair, Sometimes It Snows In April and Pop Life. Ok, none of them were as good as Prince's original but they were still good versions. So it's not really right to assume that a possible tribute album would definitely be crap. There exists a possibility that it could be really good. Would I want to hear it? Probably not. Would I buy it? Almost definitely not. But I could see how the estate might think of it as a worthwhile project for them and even though it's not something I would personally want, I'm sure there are some people who would be interested. | |
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Thinking marketing purely, I would think doing something unprecedented with new songs would generate more media attention than doing something normal with yet another bunch of hits covers (of which there are, by now, several hundreds). Now IDK, I'm not a label exec, IDK exactly what works in 2026. Same way I think today smaller acts with faithful audiences are a solid model equal to superstars (who, by comparison to our youth, seem like an endangered species—but I may be wrong about this, too). Just trying to think outta the box I guess. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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I'd completely forgotten about that one. It had the merit of standing out at the time, but I really would have to hear it again. Love the way you phrased it anyway A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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Thinking marketing purely, I would think doing something unprecedented with new songs would generate more media attention than doing something normal with yet another bunch of hits covers (of which there are, by now, several hundreds). Now IDK, I'm not a label exec, IDK exactly what works in 2026. Same way I think today smaller acts with faithful audiences are a solid model equal to superstars (who, by comparison to our youth, seem like an endangered species—but I may be wrong about this, too). Just trying to think outta the box I guess. In theory, you're correct. New songs sounds more appealing than old songs. But in reality, from a marketing perspective, what would be easier to sell? Chromeo covering Lust U Always or Lady Gaga covering Purple Rain? I know which of those I would rather hear but I also know that I'm in the minority. And, if given the choice, I would rather just hear Prince. I like that you're thinking outside the box though. If nothing else, it gives us all something new to talk about rather than rehashing the same conversations. I'm expecting another lively debate about condensing Emancipation down to one disc any day now | |
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Did we ever try trimming it to two discs, BTW? That could be innovative.
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