As many of you will know, the following songs were omitted from the released film: Girls & Boys (following Housequake), Let’s Go Crazy, When Doves Cry, Purple Rain, 1999 (following If I Was Your Girlfriend), and Kiss (following Forever In My Life) are missing from the film.

Apart from holdouts like Questlove and other elitist snobs, has anyone here actually seen them or known someone who has?

According to Prince Vault, they were, and you can see some snippets in the video for "U Got the Look" unless I am confused/mistaken, and they are clips from live shows?

rap said:

According to Prince Vault, they were

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PV says no such thing.

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These tracks were most likely filmed in Rotterdam and Antwerp, however that footage was unusable. I'd find it unlikely that these tracks were filmed at PP and then omitted from the final film: I bet by then Prince had already decided on the format and length of the film and never bothered spending time and money on filming "the hits".

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The inclusion of LRC (the only non-SOTT track) feels inevitable simply from a "concert flow" POV.

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, and you can see some snippets in the video for "U Got the Look" unless I am confused/mistaken, and they are clips from live shows?

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U Got The Look was filmed much earlier in the tour. Granted, it is not impossible that it contains footage from later gigs as well as PP, considering it was released around 20 July and the PP sessions started on 18 July, but I think it is far more likely the video was finished a while before that.

bizzie said:

rap said:

According to Prince Vault, they were

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PV says no such thing.

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These tracks were most likely filmed in Rotterdam and Antwerp, however that footage was unusable. I'd find it unlikely that these tracks were filmed at PP and then omitted from the final film: I bet by then Prince had already decided on the format and length of the film and never bothered spending time and money on filming "the hits".

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The inclusion of LRC (the only non-SOTT track) feels inevitable simply from a "concert flow" POV.

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, and you can see some snippets in the video for "U Got the Look" unless I am confused/mistaken, and they are clips from live shows?

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U Got The Look was filmed much earlier in the tour. Granted, it is not impossible that it contains footage from later gigs as well as PP, considering it was released around 20 July and the PP sessions started on 18 July, but I think it is far more likely the video was finished a while before that.

New Year, yet same ole Bort. Some things just never change.

rap said:

bizzie said:

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U Got The Look was filmed much earlier in the tour. Granted, it is not impossible that it contains footage from later gigs as well as PP, considering it was released around 20 July and the PP sessions started on 18 July, but I think it is far more likely the video was finished a while before that.

New Year, yet same ole Bort. Some things just never change.

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It's obviously my fault that you wrote something that isn't true.

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Also instead of coming up with sensible counterarguments you resort to a personal attack.

I would love to see a recut version of the Sign of the Times film with with a total concert set and the “unusable” (probably too dark and not enough close ups) footage that was filmed.

I have never been too fond of the segues and the “u got the look” dream sequence, and would have preferred a straight-up concert film.

The New Year's eve show comes closest to this, but lacks the stadium energy.

Just my personal preference.

bizzie said:

rap said:

New Year, yet same ole Bort. Some things just never change.

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It's obviously my fault that you wrote something that isn't true.

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Also instead of coming up with sensible counterarguments you resort to a personal attack.

My god, the irony!

andrewm7new said:

I would love to see a recut version of the Sign of the Times film with with a total concert set and the “unusable” (probably too dark and not enough close ups) footage that was filmed.

I have never been too fond of the segues and the “u got the look” dream sequence, and would have preferred a straight-up concert film.

The New Year's eve show comes closest to this, but lacks the stadium energy.

Just my personal preference.

There are outtakes which are easy to find if you're interested.

andrewm7new said:

rap said:

andrewm7new said:

I would love to see a recut version of the Sign of the Times film with with a total concert set and the “unusable” (probably too dark and not enough close ups) footage that was filmed.

I have never been too fond of the segues and the “u got the look” dream sequence, and would have preferred a straight-up concert film.

The New Year's eve show comes closest to this, but lacks the stadium energy.

Just my personal preference.

There are outtakes which are easy to find if you're interested.

But the outtakes are filmed @ Paisley Park as well, and frankly they are a snooze fest after a few minutes. Would be nice to see actual footage from the tour, even non-professional audience recordings, but apparently there's nothing out there.

bizzie said:

rap said:

According to Prince Vault, they were

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PV says no such thing.

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These tracks were most likely filmed in Rotterdam and Antwerp, however that footage was unusable. I'd find it unlikely that these tracks were filmed at PP and then omitted from the final film: I bet by then Prince had already decided on the format and length of the film and never bothered spending time and money on filming "the hits".

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The inclusion of LRC (the only non-SOTT track) feels inevitable simply from a "concert flow" POV.

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, and you can see some snippets in the video for "U Got the Look" unless I am confused/mistaken, and they are clips from live shows?

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U Got The Look was filmed much earlier in the tour. Granted, it is not impossible that it contains footage from later gigs as well as PP, considering it was released around 20 July and the PP sessions started on 18 July, but I think it is far more likely the video was finished a while before that.

IDK what "unusable" means, though. Technically the SOTT show on SOTT SDE, not being mixed because there were no multitracks if I understand correctly what happened, would probably have been deemed "unusable" by Prince. Same with P&AM83.

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"Unusable" material could be sold to us via a subscribtion service or though an online store, the same way awful audience recordings allowed bootleggers to make money from a bunch of hardcore fans for years. Just don't put it on Spotify or Netflix, and don't sell it on an expensive CD or blu-ray boxset.

databank said:

IDK what "unusable" means, though.

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We know what it means: it's grainy footage that looks pretty awful. The movie contains some very short clips of actual concert footage because those are the ones involving the massive audience, and on the Blu-ray the drop of picture quality is clearly visible.

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Simply put: you cannot film a concert with its regular light show, because film simply isn't sensitive enough to pick up enough of what you see. Hence Talking Heads making their concert film in a controlled and well-lit environment.

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(And before someone brings up Kubrick and his masterpiece Barry Lyndon and how it was filmed with candlelight: he used special expensive lenses Carl Zeiss developed for NASA, and the scenes where he used those aren't full of action but they are quiet shots.)

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"Unusable" material could be sold to us via a subscribtion service

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Even if the actual concert footage still exists (not impossible, but who knows what condition it is in), nobody is going to pay a ton of money to scan all that footage (three concerts, multiple cameras) and then color correct it etc. And very few fans would be inclined to spend money of raw footage with low quality picture. Moreover, someone would have to sync all that footage to concert audio, that's yet another cost. Not gonna happen.

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They should have done a documentary for the SOTT box set and perhaps used some of that footage to show how awful it is.

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Simply look at the screenshots in this thread: https://prince.org/msg/7/471652. Notice how grainy the picture is. And that's an audience shot where the house lights seem to be on.

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psyche2 said:

rap said:

There are outtakes which are easy to find if you're interested.

But the outtakes are filmed @ Paisley Park as well, and frankly they are a snooze fest after a few minutes. Would be nice to see actual footage from the tour, even non-professional audience recordings, but apparently there's nothing out there.

According to LeRoy Bennett, there is.