dustoff said:

JorisE73 said:

People whove seen it and were interviewed say otherwise and had it blocked by the Estate for inaccuracies, bad edits, taking words out of context and even forcing them to confirm lies by trying to pose them the same questions the interviewees weren't interested in or even flat out denied happened (to the interviewee's annoyance) in a different way to lure them into confirming rumors and when that didn't work the interviewer got irrtated and unprofessional to some. Only the director's friends are praising it. Susan ROgers wlaked and complained, jon Bream didn't want to be associated with it, Cat was really open about how the interviewer was more interested in fanatsy tabloid rumors etc.

I'm looking for these sources and just not finding them. On the contrary, Jon Bream said that he participated in the documentary "after receiving positive reports from Prince insiders whom Edelman interviewed." He said he was skeptical at first, but ended up speaking to the director for several hours: "Is Edelman trying to do a hit job with his exhaustive documentary that might never come out? No, he’s trying to give a full portrait of a very complicated, very private, very controlling genius, who relished being mysterious, elusive and inscrutable." Nowhere can I find him saying that he didn't want to be associated with it, after his participation.

I believe you that Susan Rogers may have complained, but I can't find any quotes from her about the subject. Can you share them with us?

As for Cat, I don't really consider her a rational source about anything, but maybe that's just me.

Given the number of Prince associates that Edelman did speak with, I feel like there isn't really enough evidence to suggest that people who were involved with the documentary generally ended up against it. Also, the only people who've gone on record praising the documentary -- as far as I can tell -- are the NYT reporters Wesley Morris and Sasha Wiess, as well as Questlove. I don't see any indication that they are the director's "friends," but maybe you know more than I do on this point?

At one of Rogers's seminars she was asked about it, the person who was there shared her answers from her Q&A on a Discord server and she said she complained to the Estate to block the release and aalso told how she was treated during the interview (practically forcing her to confirm lies like how he was physically and metally abusive to his employees, which she denied evr seeing or experiencing and haven;t heard anyone cpomplain ever about other than that he was a controlling professional, but Edelman didn't seem satisfied with that answer and kept pushing his narative even tho she warned him not to because it just wasn't true to his annoyance.) Ruth Azarte (Prince personal assistant) was vocal on twitter or facebook or wheverever at the time and also had a negative experience and joined Susan as well as others I won;t name, but including Cat, who were very vocal abouyt there experiences and one person reviewed it and broke it down including alot of conflicting info and 'creative' choices that were following a very spcific agenda and narative for the estate to block it, those 17 pages of nonsense in the documentary didn't come flying out of someones ass. Jon Bream also said he didn't want to give Edelman everyting he practically demanded from him.

Lpckwood88 said:

Ramzoo said:

I think we shall know on February 5th : forthiest anniversary of the "Kiss" single release. I love so much this era (my first concert) that I hope we won't be disappointed. [Edited 12/31/25 13:44pm]

it's dead my friend....u know who are in charge of the Estate..u can low down iMO your expectations !

Is "forthiest" the oppisite of atheist?
Like, believing in miracles n stuff?

love2thenines2003 said:

Ramzoo said:

FragileUndertow said:

Ramzoo said:

I think we shall know on February 5th : forthiest anniversary of the "Kiss" single release.

We'll probably get a 4k upscale of the video

No need to wait and wonder.

The estate has just published that, literally a few hours ago. They advertised it as a visual experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW1UIDYmYyI

It is what you can expect for the new Kiss video. In normal times, you would write something like 'enjoy', here it is different...

love2thenines2003 said:

johnpiex said:

If true, I’m starting to wonder if the estate wants to wait until the Netflix doc is complete before opening the vault properly, so as to generate more interest beyond the dwindling diehards. I can’t think of any other reason (from the estate’s perspective) why they wouldn’t use these releases to get the vault material out there. They could have thrown another disc (the minimum) on ATWIAD (much more according to Neversin), and we didn’t get one track. They could and should go above and beyond for Parade. I never thought I’d boycott a Prince release.

That's probably part of it.

Also, release it with no new tracks now... wait a year or two then release it with SOME unreleased tracks... A lot of the people who bought the standard remaster will also buy the expanded remaster. Then wait a few more years and release a Super deluxe.

Why sell something once when you can sell it multiple times.

There's no other reason I can think of... They get a pass for not really expanding ATWIAD because technically there aren't "outtakes". Though I'm somewhat salty they didn't add some rehearsals in there to compensate.

If they fuck around with Parade then I'm going to be tempted to take the Jack Sparrow approach. All people can do is vote with their wallets.

happyshopper said:

love2thenines2003 said:

it's dead my friend....u know who are in charge of the Estate..u can low down iMO your expectations !

Rumours I’m hearing is no work is being done on a Parade SDE. I think it’s now unlikely to happen for the anniversary.

As simple as that....Parade for a fall release will be the same format than ATWIAD ....i can't see something else from all the signals sent by the >Estate at this stage....we need to initiate a collective of fans (a clever one) to maybe seeing things changing?

love2thenines2003 said:

It's almost like fans root for something to not happen so they can say, "See! I told you so!"

TrivialPursuit said:

happyshopper said:

TrivialPursuit said:

It's almost like fans root for something to not happen so they can say, "See! I told you so!"

Some fans also suggest future releases, and say “see! I told you so!” It works both ways

True, but many Prince fans live in the upside down.

madison said:

TrivialPursuit said:

johnpiex said:

JoeyStarr69 said:

johnpiex said:

It wouldn’t be a waste if they did mail orders, and only printed up the amount of copies that were actually purchased.

Exactly

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Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. This would send both printing and logistics costs through the roof.

JoeyStarr69 said:

johnpiex said:

It wouldn’t be a waste if they did mail orders, and only printed up the amount of copies that were actually purchased.

Exactly

It's waay more expensiv e to print up low quanitites then it is to print in bulks of thousands.
Wjhy do you think Prince only did that once with the 100.000 preorders for the Crystal Ball 5CD puck and then did a cheaper run for the 4 and 3 disc versions that were pressed in higher quantities at lower cost?

JorisE73 said:

johnpiex said:

JorisE73 said:

It's waay more expensiv e to print up low quanitites then it is to print in bulks of thousands.
Wjhy do you think Prince only did that once with the 100.000 preorders for the Crystal Ball 5CD puck and then did a cheaper run for the 4 and 3 disc versions that were pressed in higher quantities at lower cost?

Well of course it would be more expensive to print in lower quantities, but why can’t they use a Crystal Ball type of business model for an SDE? I remember Prince talking in interviews about how successful it was for him. The super deluxe packaging could be a lot more expensive and they could also offer a cheaper version, or different tiers. They have no problem doing limited editions of the 7 inch vinyl sets. Hell, even bootleggers manage to make some pretty nice sets.

You really are sugesting even more expensive SDEs????
Diamonds and Pearls SDE wasn't worth the money they asked for it.
I would rather see cheaper set like ATWIAD DE, but then 2 months later release a outtake set for ATWIAD at the same price and then 2 months later a Live set audio and video for ATWIAD for again the same prince, then you'd get a SDE for less than half what they asked for D&P SDE and then they spread the momentum for that album over 6 months and get more media exposure and more sales.

JorisE73 said:

johnpiex said:

JorisE73 said:

You really are sugesting even more expensive SDEs????
Diamonds and Pearls SDE wasn't worth the money they asked for it.
I would rather see cheaper set like ATWIAD DE, but then 2 months later release a outtake set for ATWIAD at the same price and then 2 months later a Live set audio and video for ATWIAD for again the same prince, then you'd get a SDE for less than half what they asked for D&P SDE and then they spread the momentum for that album over 6 months and get more media exposure and more sales.

No I wasn’t suggesting to price the super deluxe editions higher than what they have been, just that they would be more expensive than the lower tier versions within that type of business model. So if you want to drop big bucks on the fancy package, you can, or if that kind of thing doesn’t matter to you you can opt for the cheap version.

ah ok. but isn't that what they did for the releases? a cheap barebones release and a SDE?
Or are you suggesting a different versions of teh SDEs? because fans would still than have to pay waay too if they want everything and hoinestly those SDEs weren't worth what they asked for, especially with the nonsense 'liner notes' from irrelevant people that I just don't need.
I would trather the SDEs in smaller sets like I described above, then we would get everything for cheaper and more media exposure.

JorisE73 said:

johnpiex said:

JorisE73 said: Well of course it would be more expensive to print in lower quantities, but why can’t they use a Crystal Ball type of business model for an SDE? I remember Prince talking in interviews about how successful it was for him. The super deluxe packaging could be a lot more expensive and they could also offer a cheaper version, or different tiers. They have no problem doing limited editions of the 7 inch vinyl sets. Hell, even bootleggers manage to make some pretty nice sets.

You really are sugesting even more expensive SDEs????
Diamonds and Pearls SDE wasn't worth the money they asked for it.
I would rather see cheaper set like ATWIAD DE, but then 2 months later release a outtake set for ATWIAD at the same price and then 2 months later a Live set audio and video for ATWIAD for again the same prince, then you'd get a SDE for less than half what they asked for D&P SDE and then they spread the momentum for that album over 6 months and get more media exposure and more sales.

If i read the comments from McMillan/Spicer back in the days during the panel at the celebration this past summer...this was more or less the plan wished by the Estate...except that since we got what we got but well ...this would be the good process to please everyone with less costs to invest for such plan but ...can we believe it yet at this stage ? I don't know ?

[Edited 1/6/26 17:37pm]

JorisE73 said:

That sounds like a great approach to me, would love if it comes to pass. i personally love SDE type sets, but the vault material shouldn't be an elitist expensive thing... especially if it's important to preserve Prince's legacy. This would help highlight his versatility and variety of work to new generations of fans. (I actually had to explain who Prince was to a 20 year old recently which underlined this to me.) Parade Deluxe is number 1 on my Prince wish list!