ShellyMcG said:

olb99 said:

Or maybe we just have to accept that some fans are just happy to listen to the same 5-10 Prince songs. Or the same 2-3 Prince albums, like your colleague. They will never listen to the rest of Prince's discography. And they're certainly not interested in previously unreleased material.

So I'm back to this idea that it doesn't make any sense to listen to those casual fans when it comes to deciding what to release next. Because they probably won't buy anything anyway. And there are millions of them, apparently: 11 million monthly listeners on Spotify, according to ElGorillos. My guess is that they're not listening to "N.E.W.S."...

I stand by my initial estimate: there are probably way less than 100'000 non-casual fans who would buy a new Prince release.

Anyway, your point was that there was only a few hundreds fans present at the Vault & Future Plans Panel and that they didn't represent fans in general. That's true even if there is only 10'000 fans still buying releases.

My main problem with that panel is not who was or wasn't present, but that it was simply bad. Nothing clear was communicated. They couldn't even explain clearly what they were going to release next (the ATWIAD "deluxe" edition).

In fairness, NOBODY is listening to N.E.W.S.

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East is one of my favorite Prince song ever

themanfromneptune said:

Give it a rest with N.E.W.S. already, please. You've completely derailed this thread.

scififilmnerd said:

mattosgood said:

This is a 'fan' assumption, show me a single reference to where someone from The Estate has ever said this...

No it's not. Neversin on Discord 17 June 2025: "They're still working on resolving shit first... Like I said 4 years ago, the "Super Deluxe Edition" is just throwing away money, plus they're still working on sorting everything in the vault... They have a lot of plans, including some great ones, but they can't just do anything y'all want because of the deals made previously... The format will be stripped down but to what degree is not known yet..." Well, now we know what it got stripped down to. Neversin on Discord 16 October 2024: "Prince's fanbase is one of the most, if not THE most, idiotic bunch of fuckups around... Complaining when something doesn't get released and complaining when something does get released..." Neversin on Discord 23 July 2024: "The SDE's don't make their money back, it's all the other shit they do that makes them money...". And that's more info than you deserve, disbeliever.

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So, still as I said, nothing on record from the current 'The Estate' folks or their associated record company people that says "SDEs don't sell...don't make money"

The Estate did say they are complex to produce but that's different and kind of obvious.

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[Edited 9/26/25 21:42pm]

mattosgood said:

scififilmnerd said:

No it's not. Neversin on Discord 17 June 2025: "They're still working on resolving shit first... Like I said 4 years ago, the "Super Deluxe Edition" is just throwing away money, plus they're still working on sorting everything in the vault... They have a lot of plans, including some great ones, but they can't just do anything y'all want because of the deals made previously... The format will be stripped down but to what degree is not known yet..." Well, now we know what it got stripped down to. Neversin on Discord 16 October 2024: "Prince's fanbase is one of the most, if not THE most, idiotic bunch of fuckups around... Complaining when something doesn't get released and complaining when something does get released..." Neversin on Discord 23 July 2024: "The SDE's don't make their money back, it's all the other shit they do that makes them money...". And that's more info than you deserve, disbeliever.

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So, still as I said, nothing on record from the current 'The Estate' folks or their associated record company people that says "SDEs don't sell...don't make money"

The Estate did say they are complex to produce but that's different and kind of obvious.

It's true that the Estate hasn't officially announced that SDEs don't sell, but unofficially the insider info I have shared says that they don't. You can believe the inside info or not - I don't really care, but so far he has been right this and other things.

[Edited 9/26/25 21:44pm]

scififilmnerd said:

Another interesting comment from Neversin on Discord 8 June 2025 about the Celebration Q&A: "There wasn't a single soul at the panel who had any relevant or good questions regarding what they were doing... They laid it up only for not 1 single "fan" to dunk it... They expected a real fan collective with interest and a list of interesting questions regarding the future of Prince releases and ideas... Noone delivered and as a result they haven't elaborated on anything and didn't even mention what they wanted to mention (...) So, obviously from their point of view, the interest just isn't there..."

So we gotta tell 'em what we want, y'all. With the outcry over ATWIAD not being a SDE, maybe they are taking that to heart and the Parade anniversary thing they talked about at the Q&A might become more than ATWIAD is.

They could skip the expensive packaging - I don't need no big book - and do it like the 2017 Purple Rain Deluxe.

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That's an individual perspective, and his 'truth' but as someone who was also there, I think if that was the perception of the panel it was more down to the format of the session and randomness of how they selected people to ask question towards the end.

There were certianly people in the room in the audience capable of asking good questions, they simply didn't get a chance. Better questions perhaps were asked at the end when there was 121 conversations going on, where the panel weren't shaping the conversations.

To make the assumption / give the opinion 'So, obviously from their point of view, the interest just isn't there...' is projecting big time and just a little bit silly...

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ShellyMcG said:

scififilmnerd said:

Another interesting comment from Neversin on Discord 8 June 2025 about the Celebration Q&A: "There wasn't a single soul at the panel who had any relevant or good questions regarding what they were doing... They laid it up only for not 1 single "fan" to dunk it... They expected a real fan collective with interest and a list of interesting questions regarding the future of Prince releases and ideas... Noone delivered and as a result they haven't elaborated on anything and didn't even mention what they wanted to mention (...) So, obviously from their point of view, the interest just isn't there..."

So we gotta tell 'em what we want, y'all. With the outcry over ATWIAD not being a SDE, maybe they are taking that to heart and the Parade anniversary thing they talked about at the Q&A might become more than ATWIAD is.

They could skip the expensive packaging - I don't need no big book - and do it like the 2017 Purple Rain Deluxe.

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I don't know who Neversin is but he or she seems to know his stuff. One thing kind of bugs me about what he's saying there though. "From their point of view the interest isn't there". That's an astonishingly stupid conclusion for them to make. Baffling, really. And I don't mean Neversin. Like I said, that guy (or girl) knows his (or her) stuff. I'm talking about the estate. If they feel like the interest isn't there among Prince fans to hear unreleased Prince music then they're even worse than I thought. And I already had a low opinion of them. But I just put the lack of releases down to a combination of legal issues and incompetence. But if they really can't understand that Prince fans want to hear unreleased Prince music then I just don't know what to say. And they're basing this off the lack of questions at a "Celebration" event attended by less than 0.00000001% of the fanbase. If Neversin's claims are true then that goes beyond incompetence and into pure stupidity.

you just need to look at the social media members of The Estate do get engaged in, to know this isn't the case and at Celebration 2025 despite what Neversin has said, as someone else who was they, my impression is they got well and truly that the interest was there and that they need to hurry up - some folks make it very clear because of their age.

scififilmnerd said:

mattosgood said:

So, still as I said, nothing on record from the current 'The Estate' folks or their associated record company people that says "SDEs don't sell...don't make money"

The Estate did say they are complex to produce but that's different and kind of obvious.

It's true that the Estate hasn't officially announced that SDEs don't sell, but unofficially the insider info I have shared says that they don't. You can believe the inside info or not - I don't really care, but so far he has been right this and other things.

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Which is all I said in the first place.

mattosgood said:

scififilmnerd said:

It's true that the Estate hasn't officially announced that SDEs don't sell, but unofficially the insider info I have shared says that they don't. You can believe the inside info or not - I don't really care, but so far he has been right this and other things.

[Edited 9/26/25 21:44pm]

Which is all I said in the first place.

You didn't believe a word I said and called it fan speculation, but it was not. It was the Truth all along. But, whatever floats your boat.

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scififilmnerd said:

mattosgood said:

Which is all I said in the first place.

You didn't believe a word I said and called it fan speculation, but it was not. It was the Truth all along. But, whatever floats your boat.

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it is speculation, fan or ex insider, it matters not, it hasn't come from those currently running The Estate, because it is facts that float my boat.

mattosgood said:

scififilmnerd said:

You didn't believe a word I said and called it fan speculation, but it was not. It was the Truth all along. But, whatever floats your boat.

[Edited 9/27/25 18:05pm]

it is speculation, fan or ex insider, it matters not, it hasn't come from those currently running The Estate, because it is facts that float my boat.

The insider was right which is the FACT that floats MY boat. Call it what you want, we're obviously never gonna agree, so...

ShellyMcG said:

Give it a rest with insiders already, please. You've completely detailed the thread

Sorry. It won't happen again. As for N.E.W.S., I think I maybe listened to it twice then filed it away.

scififilmnerd said:

ShellyMcG said:

Give it a rest with insiders already, please. You've completely detailed the thread

Sorry. It won't happen again. As for N.E.W.S., I think I maybe listened to it twice then filed it away.

I really dig NEWS...........

scififilmnerd said:

NICKthebrick said:

The Around The World in A Day release will be the model for future reissues. Parade will be the same format. Vault material will be handled separately.

and by separately, you mean "not at all", right?

bozojones said:

NICKthebrick said:

The Around The World in A Day release will be the model for future reissues. Parade will be the same format. Vault material will be handled separately.

and by separately, you mean "not at all", right?

All jokes aside, what happened (or did not happen) in the last 2 years is not encouraging at all, but ultimately we won't know what they're going to do with the contents of the Vault until 2026 at the very least.

Maybe they're only going to release a few tracks here and there like they did in 2024 and 2025. Maybe they're going to release proper albums with material from the Vault. Maybe they're going to launch an NPGMC-style service (not likely). Maybe they're going to do something else.

We don't know. Because they don't communicate their plans. It's frustrating. So we can only speculate. And wait. And wait again.

olb99 said:

bozojones said:

and by separately, you mean "not at all", right?

All jokes aside, what happened (or did not happen) in the last 2 years is not encouraging at all, but ultimately we won't know what they're going to do with the contents of the Vault until 2026 at the very least.

Maybe they're only going to release a few tracks here and there like they did in 2024 and 2025. Maybe they're going to release proper albums with material from the Vault. Maybe they're going to launch an NPGMC-style service (not likely). Maybe they're going to do something else.

We don't know. Because they don't communicate their plans. It's frustrating. So we can only speculate. And wait. And wait again.

F*ck the Estate.

They have destroyed Prince's legacy.

I will NEVER put another $ in their pockets.

Gooddoctor23 said:

olb99 said:

All jokes aside, what happened (or did not happen) in the last 2 years is not encouraging at all, but ultimately we won't know what they're going to do with the contents of the Vault until 2026 at the very least.

Maybe they're only going to release a few tracks here and there like they did in 2024 and 2025. Maybe they're going to release proper albums with material from the Vault. Maybe they're going to launch an NPGMC-style service (not likely). Maybe they're going to do something else.

We don't know. Because they don't communicate their plans. It's frustrating. So we can only speculate. And wait. And wait again.

F*ck the Estate.

They have destroyed Prince's legacy.

I will NEVER put another $ in their pockets.

According to them it's teh fans that destroy Prince's legacy by doing nothing to honor him and only bootleg his music and scam other fans. it is what it is. at least we have propewr remasters and vault releases to look forward to from teh Estate and nothing from his fandom and the gatekeepers in there.

olb99 said:

FrankieCoco1 said:

Like a lot of us, I’m somewhat disappointed that this release has no vault material. However, on its own, a release like this at least always a concentration on how great an album Around The World In a Day is. From start to finish it is a masterpiece and this release allows a full appreciation of its magnificence, which possibly got lost in 1985 after the Purple Rain afterglow. Concentrating on the remaster of the songs should allow a second chance for many of us to appreciate it, rather than get side tracked by vault tracks. I’ll probably get n in some way, and do a comparison of the original. And I’d still love to get some era vault material but this album deserves a second chance in the spotlight.

These type of releases are a waste of time.

Gooddoctor23 said:

peedub said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

These type of releases are a waste of time.

Solely these types of releases, yes. What are we gaining here, anyway? A remaster? Remastered by the guy who mastered the original release? Are we expected to believe that in the 40 years since he first sat down with this record his hearing has improved?

It will be mastered properly for CD and streaming for the first time. And the ATMOS mix of Paisley Park is stunning.

Gooddoctor23 said:

FrankieCoco1 said:

Like a lot of us, I’m somewhat disappointed that this release has no vault material. However, on its own, a release like this at least always a concentration on how great an album Around The World In a Day is. From start to finish it is a masterpiece and this release allows a full appreciation of its magnificence, which possibly got lost in 1985 after the Purple Rain afterglow. Concentrating on the remaster of the songs should allow a second chance for many of us to appreciate it, rather than get side tracked by vault tracks. I’ll probably get n in some way, and do a comparison of the original. And I’d still love to get some era vault material but this album deserves a second chance in the spotlight.

These type of releases are a waste of time.

Not for new fans who can get a great album in great quality with all the singles and b-sides and one offs instead of listening to the bad versions we have had since the release.
I hope they fasttrack more of these releases just to finally get his 80s albums in decent quality instead of vinyl versions and bad CD versions and his 90s loudness war releases. If they do these releases every month and do live albums + video and chronological outtake collections then I;m all for it.
As long as they don't do another outtake collection like Crystal Ball 98 with all eras colliding with each other that make for a bad listen, them I'm happy.

JorisE73 said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

These type of releases are a waste of time.

Not for new fans who can get a great album in great quality with all the singles and b-sides and one offs instead of listening to the bad versions we have had since the release.
I hope they fasttrack more of these releases just to finally get his 80s albums in decent quality instead of vinyl versions and bad CD versions and his 90s loudness war releases. If they do these releases every month and do live albums + video and chronological outtake collections then I;m all for it.
As long as they don't do another outtake collection like Crystal Ball 98 with all eras colliding with each other that make for a bad listen, them I'm happy.

So u want rehashed material over outtakes? That is nuts.

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Gooddoctor23 said:

JorisE73 said:

Not for new fans who can get a great album in great quality with all the singles and b-sides and one offs instead of listening to the bad versions we have had since the release.
I hope they fasttrack more of these releases just to finally get his 80s albums in decent quality instead of vinyl versions and bad CD versions and his 90s loudness war releases. If they do these releases every month and do live albums + video and chronological outtake collections then I;m all for it.
As long as they don't do another outtake collection like Crystal Ball 98 with all eras colliding with each other that make for a bad listen, them I'm happy.

So u will rehashed materail over outtakes? That is nuts.

It seems there is not much choice left by the current Estate for us.

I follow JorisE73's idea 100 %.

Better to have good quality of his older output, then nothing at all.

Sure we all want more outtakes.

The current 'guys in charge' made a (sad) decision to do it different.

Swallow it, and let's move on.

Gooddoctor23 said:

JorisE73 said:

Not for new fans who can get a great album in great quality with all the singles and b-sides and one offs instead of listening to the bad versions we have had since the release.
I hope they fasttrack more of these releases just to finally get his 80s albums in decent quality instead of vinyl versions and bad CD versions and his 90s loudness war releases. If they do these releases every month and do live albums + video and chronological outtake collections then I;m all for it.
As long as they don't do another outtake collection like Crystal Ball 98 with all eras colliding with each other that make for a bad listen, them I'm happy.

So u wsnt rehashed materiil over outtakes? That is nuts.

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I clearly didn't say that, stop making up things only to do some 'I'm angry at the Estate' act, this isn't youtube or tiktok.