love2thenines2003 said:

The information from those who spoke off-the-record face to face to Spicer and Mc Millan is contradictory...some claim that they have clearly expressed that there will be no more SDE as we knew them and others the opposite, I believe that we are simply heading towards a simple deluxe release like the one of PR DELUXE 2017...it is clear that it is rather disappointing if the chosen format is the same, however it costs too much to produce big box SDE, even the simple act of remastering an album by a Bernie Grundman for example without any bonuses costs a fortune, I am surprised that no small preview and details have been shared on the project of releasing the deluxe/expanded edition of ATWIAD which would be planned for this year?....I fear that no work on this project has been done, I fear a rushed and botched job...September will be quickly approaching...if no information at that time is available on this supposed release so we have all the reasons to worry about the future of the Estate and to credit the current team with a new lie, hope remains but it is difficult to realize for various reasons, I hope that Mc Millan and Spicer will be able to surprise us very positively on the content even if in the end the format chosen for this new expanded edition project is less imposing than those that we have known with the SDE of SIGN and D&P?

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I'm not sure of who you mean, I've seen some made up stuff on SM that when challenged as to the source they have admitted it was an assumption, but when you say people 'who spoke off-the-record face to face to Spicer and Mc Millan' I've not seen anyone come forward and say 'yeah, that was me, I had that conversation'; which is why I set up this thread and gave it the title it has - not what people believe or think but what was actualy said. So, for example, when you say 'I fear that no work on this project has been done, I fear a rushed and botched job' it is pure speculation, conjecture at best. Why mention September when all that was said 'this year', and not once in the Q&A were SDEs talked about as cost prohibitive, just complex to bring to market.

The answer to your question, is in the 3rd post on this thread, as in it was a first primary source, as it was me.

mattosgood said:

Ndorphinmachina said:

mattosgood said: I'm confused, are you asking me if other Artists/Bands/or their representatives... issue press releases/have a functional website with an up to date "news" section? It feels like that's what you're asking, but I'm not sure why, because... All of them? Why does it matter if others are doing it? OK, Granted probably not the artists themselves, they like to work in private then release their project. But the estate isn't creating anything. They're compiling. The artist did all the hard work years ago. The estate are now doing the bureaucracy. Here's the thing with a roadmap, if something changes, they simply update it. Fans are in the loop, and the outright hostility goes away because there's nothing to complain about. It also stops false hope arising from rumours and miscommunications on social media. They can't say "our aim is to be transparent" from behind a locked door and expect to be taken seriously.

it wasn't a complicated question, at least I didn't intend it to be.

I get that we are all chomping at the bit for new music and frustrated by the delays.

Maybe they will do the stuff you're talking about but then again, the room had the doors shut, phones were taken off us and they highlighted that there were some legal aspects they couldn't go in to in detail or were things they were sharing off the record - so videos of it are unlikey. I'm sure annoucements and press releases will come in due course, just like they have previously. Patience is a virtue and this was a fresh start. But deeds not words, that's what counts, they need to back it up now.

You can give them the benefit of the doubt as much as you personally want, but nobody else owes that to them. They've consistently dropped the ball for 2 and a half straight years now, and judging by how this recent Celebration went, nothing is actually going to change going forward. Those of us who have been paying attention know better than to fall for empty promises.

mattosgood said:

people making stuff up like 'no more SDE because they are too expensive'

Just because it wasn't stated at the Celebration Q&A doesn't mean it ain't true. It's been said plenty elsewhere that the SDEs didn't make enough money even before the Celebration. It's not like the Estate put all their cards on the table at the Celebration. They utterly and completely failed at making a proper presentation, like "these are the projects we're working on and this is our release schedule." If they had done that, it would've gone viral. Instead it's all "hush-hush, no phones allowed, nothing for the internet." Wotta complete waste of opportunity for a huge PR thrust.

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mattosgood said:

bozojones said:

mattosgood said:

it wasn't a complicated question, at least I didn't intend it to be.

I get that we are all chomping at the bit for new music and frustrated by the delays.

Maybe they will do the stuff you're talking about but then again, the room had the doors shut, phones were taken off us and they highlighted that there were some legal aspects they couldn't go in to in detail or were things they were sharing off the record - so videos of it are unlikey. I'm sure annoucements and press releases will come in due course, just like they have previously. Patience is a virtue and this was a fresh start. But deeds not words, that's what counts, they need to back it up now.

You can give them the benefit of the doubt as much as you personally want, but nobody else owes that to them. They've consistently dropped the ball for 2 and a half straight years now, and judging by how this recent Celebration went, nothing is actually going to change going forward. Those of us who have been paying attention know better than to fall for empty promises.

maybe you didn't understand / missed the bit where I said:

"But deeds not words, that's what counts, they need to back it up now."

I don't owe them in anything, I'm realistic, no one is perfect and informed, the last 2.5 years have not been as they or we would have wished, due to sorting out past contracts signed by others.

as to:
"and judging by how this recent Celebration went, nothing is actually going to change going forward."

I'm not sure what you mean, were you there too?

scififilmnerd said:

mattosgood said:

Just because it wasn't stated at the Celebration Q&A doesn't mean it ain't true. It's been said plenty elsewhere that the SDEs didn't make enough money even before the Celebration. It's not like the Estate put all their cards on the table at the Celebration. They utterly and completely failed at making a proper presentation, like "these are the projects we're working on and this is our release schedule." If they had done that, it would've gone viral. Instead it's all "hush-hush, no phones allowed, nothing for the internet." Wotta complete waste of opportunity for a huge PR thrust.

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no it doesn't, only proof in the pudding will do that - as I said 'deeds not words'

when I say truth - I mean what was said in the Q&A and after - NOT made up stuff / assumptions.

Where, elsewhere has it be said 'SDEs didn't make enough money' and by whom?

Given, we've had 1999, SOTTs, D&Ps SDEs plus arguably PR, PR Live, Originals Vol 1 and W2A enhanced releases - evidence would suggest they are worth doing and commercial sense would tell us that each subsquent release gives them a better idea to production runs and sell through dates - so you produce suitable numbers and price accordingly. Clearly, they are for hardcore fams, why would they opt to not cater for their easiest audience?

love2thenines2003 said:

mattosgood said:

I'm not sure of who you mean, I've seen some made up stuff on SM that when challenged as to the source they have admitted it was an assumption, but when you say people 'who spoke off-the-record face to face to Spicer and Mc Millan' I've not seen anyone come forward and say 'yeah, that was me, I had that conversation'; which is why I set up this thread and gave it the title it has - not what people believe or think but what was actualy said. So, for example, when you say 'I fear that no work on this project has been done, I fear a rushed and botched job' it is pure speculation, conjecture at best. Why mention September when all that was said 'this year', and not once in the Q&A were SDEs talked about as cost prohibitive, just complex to bring to market.

The answer to your question, is in the 3rd post on this thread, as in it was a first primary source, as it was me.

I'm talking about certain members of the French Schkopi site... the moderator Raphy and creator of the site was for example present at the Celebration, I've known him for 20 years as a very serious and precise person in general, these last days the Schkopi site made a podcast which was a report of the Celebration essentially centered on the discussion panel on the Vault and the projects, he attended the questions/answers and he had the informal occasion to discuss directly with Mc Millan and Spicer, he felt he had understood that large SDEs such as SOTT and D&P would no longer be offered in the future for reasons of production costs and the difficulty of creating such projects and finding potential buyers, who seem to be rather limited for this type of product - a much smaller format should be offered, Raphy also reported that the Spicer/Mc Millan team had a few projects in mind, but did not know which would be the most opportune to implement, He also pointed out that no precise information had been given on the planned release of ATWIAD deluxe, expanded edition, which would be scheduled for this year by the end of the year, as well as the possible interest in releasing something to celebrate the 10th anniversary of Prince's death and 40 years of Parade.

which, just highlights what can happen in differences of interpretation by people there at the same time. Possibly, depending upon the guys at the French Schkopi fluency with English, some things feasibly could have got lost in translation, I don't know. I wrote down the stuff I have reported on.

The link I shared at the beginning of this thread is fully aligned with them in terms of no fixed dates, just 2025 for ATWIAD and Parade in 2026. And no, no precise information was offered beyond the years.

ATWIAD was talked about by the panel as an Expanded / Enhanced edition but as previously flagged when I asked this directly to Mr Spicer after the Q&A whether it would be a SDE or not, he confirmed SDE - so, and this is my assumption now, different people on the panel use the terms Expanded / Enhanced / SDE interchangeably.

I would differ on the following, if this is what they reported: "he felt he had understood that large SDEs such as SOTT and D&P would no longer be offered in the future for reasons of production costs and the difficulty of creating such projects and finding potential buyers, who seem to be rather limited for this type of product - a much smaller format should be offered" The panel talked about SDEs being complex to bring to market, due to all the legal sign offs and fewer production plants, so that they take time. Nothing about them being too costly to produce or not making money was said in the Q&A.

They did talk about a schedule of releases, as per the link I shared from The Purple Stream - those poissible projects are detailed, plus that The Estsate want to get to a cadence each year of releasing something big, something medium-ish and something smaller /digital e.g. the accoustic version of Free.

hope that helps with what you've heard elsewhere.

love2thenines2003 said:

mattosgood said:

I'm not sure of who you mean, I've seen some made up stuff on SM that when challenged as to the source they have admitted it was an assumption, but when you say people 'who spoke off-the-record face to face to Spicer and Mc Millan' I've not seen anyone come forward and say 'yeah, that was me, I had that conversation'; which is why I set up this thread and gave it the title it has - not what people believe or think but what was actualy said. So, for example, when you say 'I fear that no work on this project has been done, I fear a rushed and botched job' it is pure speculation, conjecture at best. Why mention September when all that was said 'this year', and not once in the Q&A were SDEs talked about as cost prohibitive, just complex to bring to market.

The answer to your question, is in the 3rd post on this thread, as in it was a first primary source, as it was me.

I'm talking about certain members of the French Schkopi site... the moderator Raphy and creator of the site was for example present at the Celebration, I've known him for 20 years as a very serious and precise person in general, these last days the Schkopi site made a podcast which was a report of the Celebration essentially centered on the discussion panel on the Vault and the projects, he attended the questions/answers and he had the informal occasion to discuss directly with Mc Millan and Spicer, he felt he had understood that large SDEs such as SOTT and D&P would no longer be offered in the future for reasons of production costs and the difficulty of creating such projects and finding potential buyers, who seem to be rather limited for this type of product - a much smaller format should be offered, Raphy also reported that the Spicer/Mc Millan team had a few projects in mind, but did not know which would be the most opportune to implement, He also pointed out that no precise information had been given on the planned release of ATWIAD deluxe, expanded edition, which would be scheduled for this year by the end of the year, as well as the possible interest in releasing something to celebrate the 10th anniversary of Prince's death and 40 years of Parade.

sorry, forgot to say re: something to celebrate the 10th anniversary of Prince's death

this was mentioned, but it was mentioned in the context of the year clashing with the 40 years of Parade and how many years overlap with such things, due to how much Prince released through the decades. Nothing, more specific was suggested beyond people in the audience shouting out to do a Piano and Microphone release

mattosgood said:

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no it doesn't, only proof in the pudding will do that - as I said 'deeds not words'

when I say truth - I mean what was said in the Q&A and after - NOT made up stuff / assumptions.

Where, elsewhere has it be said 'SDEs didn't make enough money' and by whom?

You sound like a broken record with "the truth" - like Prince & Larry Graham around 2000. Like, things have been said outside the Estate's silly Q&A, but if you don't know about that, I'm not gonna suply you with info for a story you can run in the Purple Stream or something. It's not like I'm even following that page.

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The truth is if you wait around for any Estate to do justice to his music and you are old it ain't gonna happen. Listen to your bootlegs and hope more are released. Otherwise, I'm done. Not with Prince, but the so-called Estate. Moving on. There is more music waiting to happen in the world that is still LIVE. And I'm going to the shows. I'll still listen to Prince but I'm done with the legacy that ain't coming. I'm old and I'm gonna go to live shows while I still can and get new albums from live artists that keep me going on. Luv ya, Prince, but got to move on.

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scififilmnerd said:

mattosgood said:

no it doesn't, only proof in the pudding will do that - as I said 'deeds not words'

when I say truth - I mean what was said in the Q&A and after - NOT made up stuff / assumptions.

Where, elsewhere has it be said 'SDEs didn't make enough money' and by whom?

You sound like a broken record with "the truth" - like Prince & Larry Graham around 2000. Like, things have been said outside the Estate's silly Q&A, but if you don't know about that, I'm not gonna suply you with info for a story you can run in the Purple Stream or something. It's not like I'm even following that page.

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LOL, well it is the proposition of this thread, so, you know... I'm kinda going to stick to it rather than make stuff up or quote stuff without sources.

mattosgood said:

JorisE73 said:

mattosgood said:

that was the gist of the Q&A session and the way they chatted with people, myself included, in 121s afterwards - they heard loud and clear what the hardcore fams want, like and wouldn't like.

The biggest cheer of the nearly 2 hours was related to a great question by an even greater Spanish lady who asked about them releasing 'Small Club' as a video and audio - psoitively they came across as knowing how good the 1988 aftershows are.

I can guarantee you that that one won't be released on video.
Magnoli and the film crew were at the hotel in AMsterdam when the show was on and the only footage that exists is a one cam venue shot (so the Estate don't have the rights to it) exactly like the Garage Glasgow 1995 footage (shot by the venue stage cam, like Small Club was) and the person who has it won't release it because of minimal 'standards' for an official Prince release, and that footage (like the Garage Glasgow 1995 footage he said) doesn't qualify in hos opinion. I disagree of course

I've heard of this video but have never seen it or even heard of anyone seeing it. Is it actually out there? Did Prince's solo on Just My Imagination actually get recorded??????? It's burned into my mind...

psyche2 said:

johnpiex said:

JorisE73 said: While I would love to see it, if only to see that blistering performance of Just My Imagination (the exact guitar he was using, the outfit, his face during the guitar solo, etc.), I would be thrilled to see any of the filmed Lovesexy aftershows. I know it’s subjective, but were there any better after shows during his entire career?

Arguably, the legend status of the so called 'Small Club' it's just because it's a complete aftershow soundboard recording. Reckon the guitar solo from Just My Imagination is mind blowing, hands down. But (then again, arguably) some other Lovesexy aftershows were better (going by the existing audience recordings making the rounds). Subjective stuff, of course, but I always saw the big deal of the Small Club was its sound quality.

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Regarding the "video" ... as much as I'd love to see it, go figure what a single cam venue shot from 1988 would be like.

THis could very well be true...i love the entire show b/c of how loose it was....and, that solo...wow. I'd be happy to just have still photos of it...

Yeah, there were so many great aftershows from this period...that Camden Palace show seems insanely good. The Estate just has to find a way to get across how great Prince was live....the 1992 show from Glam Slam was exactly what they need to keep releasing...and to Netflix.

JoeyCococo said:

JorisE73 said:

I can guarantee you that that one won't be released on video.
Magnoli and the film crew were at the hotel in AMsterdam when the show was on and the only footage that exists is a one cam venue shot (so the Estate don't have the rights to it) exactly like the Garage Glasgow 1995 footage (shot by the venue stage cam, like Small Club was) and the person who has it won't release it because of minimal 'standards' for an official Prince release, and that footage (like the Garage Glasgow 1995 footage he said) doesn't qualify in hos opinion. I disagree of course

I've heard of this video but have never seen it or even heard of anyone seeing it. Is it actually out there? Did Prince's solo on Just My Imagination actually get recorded??????? It's burned into my mind...

It was screened last year for some and a jpg with about 20 screenshots was shared briefly on here and other places but was taken down shortly and returned with a password protection.

JorisE73 said:

JoeyCococo said:

I've heard of this video but have never seen it or even heard of anyone seeing it. Is it actually out there? Did Prince's solo on Just My Imagination actually get recorded??????? It's burned into my mind...

It was screened last year for some and a jpg with about 20 screenshots was shared briefly on here and other places but was taken down shortly and returned with a password protection.

In any case (quality-wise out of question being filmed from one single venue camera from back then) it's still far from complete, right? ... OR does a supposedly a dubious quality full lenght video recording actually exists ?

psyche2 said:

JorisE73 said:

It was screened last year for some and a jpg with about 20 screenshots was shared briefly on here and other places but was taken down shortly and returned with a password protection.

In any case (quality-wise out of question being filmed from one single venue camera from back then) it's still far from complete, right? ... OR does a supposedly a dubious quality full lenght video recording actually exists ?

There's handheld footage from backstage that cuts to the moment Sheila E. walks up the stage and thats the full show from the venue cam (the same angel but slightly further away so the entire stage fits in the frame as the Glasgow 95 aftershow at the Garage)