mattosgood said:

More clarity and transparency will be brought to the public/fans....better this will be...and everybody will benefit from this! Thanks 👍

love2thenines2003 said:

mattosgood said:

I've been to Celebration in 2022, 2024 and now 2025 - while I would say I think this year was over priced going in and I am more than happy I went and will go again next year; as funnily enough I don't need you to think for me or tell me whether I got my money's worth...

I am reporting what was said and promoting the truth of that rather than allow spin and make believe - as, to quote the great man himself, "Ain't nothing ever came from complaining 'cept a bitter heart, that's true..."

More clarity and transparency will be brought to the public/fans....better this will be...and everybody will benefit from this! Thanks 👍

that was the gist of the Q&A session and the way they chatted with people, myself included, in 121s afterwards - they heard loud and clear what the hardcore fams want, like and wouldn't like.

The biggest cheer of the nearly 2 hours was related to a great question by an even greater Spanish lady who asked about them releasing 'Small Club' as a video and audio - psoitively they came across as knowing how good the 1988 aftershows are.

mattosgood said:

love2thenines2003 said:

mattosgood said: More clarity and transparency will be brought to the public/fans....better this will be...and everybody will benefit from this! Thanks 👍

that was the gist of the Q&A session and the way they chatted with people, myself included, in 121s afterwards - they heard loud and clear what the hardcore fams want, like and wouldn't like.

The biggest cheer of the nearly 2 hours was related to a great question by an even greater Spanish lady who asked about them releasing 'Small Club' as a video and audio - psoitively they came across as knowing how good the 1988 aftershows are.

I can guarantee you that that one won't be released on video.
Magnoli and the film crew were at the hotel in AMsterdam when the show was on and the only footage that exists is a one cam venue shot (so the Estate don't have the rights to it) exactly like the Garage Glasgow 1995 footage (shot by the venue stage cam, like Small Club was) and the person who has it won't release it because of minimal 'standards' for an official Prince release, and that footage (like the Garage Glasgow 1995 footage he said) doesn't qualify in hos opinion. I disagree of course

What was the answer to the spanish lady’s question?

JorisE73 said:

While I would love to see it, if only to see that blistering performance of Just My Imagination (the exact guitar he was using, the outfit, his face during the guitar solo, etc.), I would be thrilled to see any of the filmed Lovesexy aftershows. I know it’s subjective, but were there any better after shows during his entire career?

JorisE73 said:

mattosgood said:

that was the gist of the Q&A session and the way they chatted with people, myself included, in 121s afterwards - they heard loud and clear what the hardcore fams want, like and wouldn't like.

The biggest cheer of the nearly 2 hours was related to a great question by an even greater Spanish lady who asked about them releasing 'Small Club' as a video and audio - psoitively they came across as knowing how good the 1988 aftershows are.

I can guarantee you that that one won't be released on video.
Magnoli and the film crew were at the hotel in AMsterdam when the show was on and the only footage that exists is a one cam venue shot (so the Estate don't have the rights to it) exactly like the Garage Glasgow 1995 footage (shot by the venue stage cam, like Small Club was) and the person who has it won't release it because of minimal 'standards' for an official Prince release, and that footage (like the Garage Glasgow 1995 footage he said) doesn't qualify in hos opinion. I disagree of course

That's kinda why I said 1988 Aftershows, while the Spanish lady asked specifcally about 'Small Club'

As to footage, we know the Camden Palace aftershow exists on film:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D8TWK5FluA

johnpiex said:

JorisE73 said:

I can guarantee you that that one won't be released on video.
Magnoli and the film crew were at the hotel in AMsterdam when the show was on and the only footage that exists is a one cam venue shot (so the Estate don't have the rights to it) exactly like the Garage Glasgow 1995 footage (shot by the venue stage cam, like Small Club was) and the person who has it won't release it because of minimal 'standards' for an official Prince release, and that footage (like the Garage Glasgow 1995 footage he said) doesn't qualify in hos opinion. I disagree of course

While I would love to see it, if only to see that blistering performance of Just My Imagination (the exact guitar he was using, the outfit, his face during the guitar solo, etc.), I would be thrilled to see any of the filmed Lovesexy aftershows. I know it’s subjective, but were there any better after shows during his entire career?

Arguably, the legend status of the so called 'Small Club' it's just because it's a complete aftershow soundboard recording. Reckon the guitar solo from Just My Imagination is mind blowing, hands down. But (then again, arguably) some other Lovesexy aftershows were better (going by the existing audience recordings making the rounds). Subjective stuff, of course, but I always saw the big deal of the Small Club was its sound quality.

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Regarding the "video" ... as much as I'd love to see it, go figure what a single cam venue shot from 1988 would be like.

flaton said:

What was the answer to the spanish lady’s question?

after the big applause for her question, her name was Barbara I recall

Again from Charles Spicer - general gist - not exact word for word:

"What we have available is not only the visual but the audio. We have video content, I'm not going to say Prince taped everything but he taped nearly everything, like we showed the other day (The 3rd of March 1986 1st Avenue gig) but to get to a point to it looked as good, like the other day, and not seconds of black screen or skips within songs, we won't do that, not to Prince. We'd like to take them to movie theatres so everybody can see them."

Then there was talk of a deal with national movie distributors to show more content, music today being consumed visually so they recognise the importance of the video footage they have and the mention of the 'biggest' Prince collabration being shared in 2026.

mattosgood said:

so this quote from spicer regarding purple rain was just a lie?


"Of course," agrees Charles F Spicer Jr. "We'd be remiss if we didn't do something around Purple Rain next year, for both the film and the album. It's the work that elevated Prince to greatness, so we won't leave 2024 without doing justice to Purple Rain. That's a signature project."

so what reason would anyone possibly have to believe or have faith in what he’s saying now?

andrewcherry said:

mattosgood said:

It came across as Londell was in charge, they said they had been let down at the last minute by two people, one at least a woman, who were supposed to be on the panel. Charles Spicer is responsible for the Vault and what comes out if it. Warners (not there) and Sony distribute and do the marketing plans - in the 121 chat I had with Charles Spicer after the Q&A he stated he's not got any interest in further re-issues of Purple Rain - that pressure comes from the record companies.

Proof will be in the pudding as to what we get and when we get it but as I've said, I went in sceptical and came out positive - and they get loud and clear what us ultra fams want but their job is to also grow the Prince fam base, taking Prince's music to the general public, more casual fams and to new generations, so we might not like everything they do.

so this quote from spicer regarding purple rain was just a lie? "Of course," agrees Charles F Spicer Jr. "We'd be remiss if we didn't do something around Purple Rain next year, for both the film and the album. It's the work that elevated Prince to greatness, so we won't leave 2024 without doing justice to Purple Rain. That's a signature project." so what reason would anyone possibly have to believe or have faith in what he’s saying now?

fair point.

where is the quote from?

Maybe, as they missed doing it in 2024, he has moved on - I don't know.

I do know I am more excited by ATWIAD and Parade SDEs than another Purple Rain release - but if you're hanging on for one, then I can see why you'd be p*ssed.

mattosgood said:

Re: #Celebration2025 and what The Estate said / did not say… if U want The Truth and nothing but The Truth check out the report on The Purple Stream in terms of future #prince releases and why things have been slow from people who were lucky enough 2 B there:

https://www.facebook.com/...tid=wwXIfr

plus, I can answer any questions on what was discussed outside of the Q&A in terms of how the 'Around the World in a Day' release was confirmed as a SDE

@NeverEnoughGuitar_with_Prince

@ThePurpleStream

[Edited 6/9/25 20:54pm]

Thank you both for a great rundown on the Q&A and for taking questions afterwards.

The big elephant in the room for me is Primary Wave. Were there any questions about them, or reason given for why they were not present at the panel?

ElGorillos said:

mattosgood said:

Re: #Celebration2025 and what The Estate said / did not say… if U want The Truth and nothing but The Truth check out the report on The Purple Stream in terms of future #prince releases and why things have been slow from people who were lucky enough 2 B there:

https://www.facebook.com/...tid=wwXIfr

plus, I can answer any questions on what was discussed outside of the Q&A in terms of how the 'Around the World in a Day' release was confirmed as a SDE

@NeverEnoughGuitar_with_Prince

@ThePurpleStream

[Edited 6/9/25 20:54pm]

Thank you both for a great rundown on the Q&A and for taking questions afterwards.

The big elephant in the room for me is Primary Wave. Were there any questions about them, or reason given for why they were not present at the panel?

Not specifcally, they were mentioned directly once - in that they are involved in the decsion making process and sign offs.

Up front, Londell, apologised for an all-male panel, stating they had been let down by two people who were supposed to be on the panel - we can assume that one of those two would have been from Primary Wave as it would have made senses but who they were was not clarified.

mattosgood said:

ElGorillos said:

Thank you both for a great rundown on the Q&A and for taking questions afterwards.

The big elephant in the room for me is Primary Wave. Were there any questions about them, or reason given for why they were not present at the panel?

Not specifcally, they were mentioned directly once - in that they are involved in the decsion making process and sign offs.

Up front, Londell, apologised for an all-male panel, stating they had been let down by two people who were supposed to be on the panel - we can assume that one of those two would have been from Primary Wave as it would have made senses but who they were was not clarified.

Cheers!

mattosgood said:

well you seem to have missed my point. why i’m “pissed” has absolutely nothing to do with my desire for a purple rain sde. my point is that what they say in order to pacify fans and then what they end up actually doing are two entirely different things. if they’re going lie in the press about a pr sde then why would i believe them about parade? i appreciate your optimism but not only do you seem to be allergic to holding them accountable but you’re working overtime on this website making up excuses for them. you’ve praised them for showing up at all because “they didn’t have to”. clearly at this point the bar is six feet under.

source :

https://pocketmags.com/us...le%20Rain.
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andrewcherry said:

mattosgood said:

fair point.

where is the quote from?

Maybe, as they missed doing it in 2024, he has moved on - I don't know.

I do know I am more excited by ATWIAD and Parade SDEs than another Purple Rain release - but if you're hanging on for one, then I can see why you'd be p*ssed.

well you seem to have missed my point. why i’m “pissed” has absolutely nothing to do with my desire for a purple rain sde. my point is that what they say in order to pacify fans and then what they end up actually doing are two entirely different things. if they’re going lie in the press about a pr sde then why would i believe them about parade? i appreciate your optimism but not only do you seem to be allergic to holding them accountable but you’re working overtime on this website making up excuses for them. you’ve praised them for showing up at all because “they didn’t have to”. clearly at this point the bar is six feet under. source : https://pocketmags.com/us...le%20Rain. [Edited 6/11/25 20:54pm] [Edited 6/11/25 21:01pm]

Don't forget about when they put out The Vault: Volume 1 and then never followed it up with another release. Or the Love Symbol SDE that was supposedly finished and ready to go, as seen from leaked photos, but was then scrapped by Londell and Charles for no reason.

The previous estate had more of a mess to navigate through than Londell and Charles, given they had to pull everything together after Prince's death, yet they still managed to put out several interesting releases in a 5 year span. Londell and Charles have had two and a half years to put something substantial together and still haven't delivered. Last year they blamed Netflix. This year they blamed the job being difficult and taking time. Next year they'll have some other new excuse as to why nothing has happened, and the same clueless fans will buy it hook, line, and sinker.

andrewcherry said:

mattosgood said:

fair point.

where is the quote from?

Maybe, as they missed doing it in 2024, he has moved on - I don't know.

I do know I am more excited by ATWIAD and Parade SDEs than another Purple Rain release - but if you're hanging on for one, then I can see why you'd be p*ssed.

well you seem to have missed my point. why i’m “pissed” has absolutely nothing to do with my desire for a purple rain sde. my point is that what they say in order to pacify fans and then what they end up actually doing are two entirely different things. if they’re going lie in the press about a pr sde then why would i believe them about parade? i appreciate your optimism but not only do you seem to be allergic to holding them accountable but you’re working overtime on this website making up excuses for them. you’ve praised them for showing up at all because “they didn’t have to”. clearly at this point the bar is six feet under. source : https://pocketmags.com/us...le%20Rain. [Edited 6/11/25 20:54pm] [Edited 6/11/25 21:01pm]

all I'm trying to do is provide some perspective on what it came across hearing it first hand, rather than make sh*t up like some people here seem to like to do. the bar is low, based on past statements, but I'd rather be glass half full about it and as i've previously said, which I think is aligned to your perspective - proof is in the pudding, deeds not words etc

bozojones said:

andrewcherry said:

mattosgood said: well you seem to have missed my point. why i’m “pissed” has absolutely nothing to do with my desire for a purple rain sde. my point is that what they say in order to pacify fans and then what they end up actually doing are two entirely different things. if they’re going lie in the press about a pr sde then why would i believe them about parade? i appreciate your optimism but not only do you seem to be allergic to holding them accountable but you’re working overtime on this website making up excuses for them. you’ve praised them for showing up at all because “they didn’t have to”. clearly at this point the bar is six feet under. source : https://pocketmags.com/us...le%20Rain. [Edited 6/11/25 20:54pm] [Edited 6/11/25 21:01pm]

Don't forget about when they put out The Vault: Volume 1 and then never followed it up with another release. Or the Love Symbol SDE that was supposedly finished and ready to go, as seen from leaked photos, but was then scrapped by Londell and Charles for no reason.

The previous estate had more of a mess to navigate through than Londell and Charles, given they had to pull everything together after Prince's death, yet they still managed to put out several interesting releases in a 5 year span. Londell and Charles have had two and a half years to put something substantial together and still haven't delivered. Last year they blamed Netflix. This year they blamed the job being difficult and taking time. Next year they'll have some other new excuse as to why nothing has happened, and the same clueless fans will buy it hook, line, and sinker.

It's been disappointing for sure, they heard that loud and clear and IMHO they get it.

It is now time for deeds not words this year and next.

GiggityGoo said:

This is very nice but, respectfully, rather absurd because 1/ there are ways to sell files that don't have a license (do they actually even do make those at all anymore??) and 2/ there's much more in the vault to release than the physical market can support, so saying this basically comes down to saying "I'd rather they don't release something at all than releasing it digitally", and I don't think this is sending the right message.
Which does not mean they should not release certain things physically, but NPGMC year one gave us about an album's worth of new music each month, and I can't imagine you could do that on physical media.
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databank said:

GiggityGoo said:

Regarding the resurrection of an NPG Club-styled online effort...

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That's great and all, but I think a lot of us fans want to PHYSICALLY OWN the music. Streaming is fine, but when it comes to my favorite bands, I don't want an M4A file in my iTunes that might disappear when the licensing rights expire... I want a shiny silver CD in a nice package sitting on my shelf.

This is very nice but, respectfully, rather absurd because 1/ there are ways to sell files that don't have a license (do they actually even do make those at all anymore??) and 2/ there's much more in the vault to release than the physical market can support, so saying this basically comes down to saying "I'd rather they don't release something at all than releasing it digitally", and I don't think this is sending the right message. Which does not mean they should not release certain things physically, but NPGMC year one gave us about an album's worth of new music each month, and I can't imagine you could do that on physical media. [Edited 6/17/25 23:48pm]

I agree with every point here.

mattosgood said:

If transparency is their goal, why is it locked behind a $1000 ticket and a plane ride or 3?

Transparency isn't "content". Why not stream it, or put a video on YouTube. Preferring to have their transparent information disseminated via second hand accounts on Twitter, or through a fan who attended via the org?

At the very least, official minutes, or a summary + roadmap.

Perhaps because then they'd be accountable?

GiggityGoo said:

Regarding the resurrection of an NPG Club-styled online effort...

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Would the old DRM files start working again?

Ndorphinmachina said:

mattosgood said:

that was the gist of the Q&A session and the way they chatted with people, myself included, in 121s afterwards - they heard loud and clear what the hardcore fams want, like and wouldn't like.

The biggest cheer of the nearly 2 hours was related to a great question by an even greater Spanish lady who asked about them releasing 'Small Club' as a video and audio - psoitively they came across as knowing how good the 1988 aftershows are.

If transparency is their goal, why is it locked behind a $1000 ticket and a plane ride or 3? Transparency isn't "content". Why not stream it, or put a video on YouTube. Preferring to have their transparent information disseminated via second hand accounts on Twitter, or through a fan who attended via the org? At the very least, official minutes, or a summary + roadmap. Perhaps because then they'd be accountable?

are you aware of any other artist or band, dead or alive, who's representatives do things like you're suggesting?

databank said:

NPGMC year one gave us about an album's worth of new music each month, and I can't imagine you could do that on physical media. [Edited 6/17/25 23:48pm]

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There are artists who've sold CDs of recordings of each concert on a tour. Do you think they only do one concert a month?

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Most boutique Blu-ray companies release multiple Blu-rays per month, and some have subscription services which send you everything they release (e.g. Radiance).

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In the UK, independent music retailer Rough Trade have a club where they send you one record a month.

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Why wouldn't it be possible? How much time do you think it takes to design a booklet, compile an album and master it and manufacture CDs etc.?

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The problem is of course that they're linked with Sony/Legacy in the USA, and Warner Bros. elsewhere. So coordinating these releases between these two companies is a nightmare, and that's assuming these big companies can manage to fit in these monthly releases into their systems.

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And if these release can be done outside of Sony & Warner, having this subscription service with only a USA base means that non-USA fans will have plenty of trouble obtaining these releases due to customs costs etc. The shipping costs from USA to Europe are horrendous.

mattosgood said:

all I'm trying to do is provide some perspective on what it came across hearing it first hand, rather than make sh*t up like some people here seem to like to do. the bar is low, based on past statements, but I'd rather be glass half full about it and as i've previously said, which I think is aligned to your perspective - proof is in the pudding, deeds not words etc

Do you see the logical mistake you're making? You're claiming that you're trying to accurately report what was said at the Celebration. Fair enough. But that doesn't mean what they told you was the truth. Those are two different things. The facts that were relayed to you could be incorrect, due to either honest mistakes and misunderstandings or intentional spin.

This isn't just cynicism: the Estate has a history of mistakes and lack of candor, so fans have a rational reason to be skeptical. Plus, the Estate is ultimately a business, and all businesses spin info.

You would be more persuasive if you could be objective and concede that some of the info you were provided might be spin. "Look, I'm just telling you exactly what they said in the most accurate way as possible. It's up to you whether to believe what the Estate was saying." But instead you're blindly defending them, which brings your reliability into question.

With respect to the effect of the Netflix deal, we have conflicting reports from reputable sources, one saying Netflix had control only of video, the other saying Netflix had control of everything. Which makes more sense and is more likely?

[Edited 6/22/25 14:55pm]

mattosgood said:

Ndorphinmachina said:

mattosgood said: If transparency is their goal, why is it locked behind a $1000 ticket and a plane ride or 3? Transparency isn't "content". Why not stream it, or put a video on YouTube. Preferring to have their transparent information disseminated via second hand accounts on Twitter, or through a fan who attended via the org? At the very least, official minutes, or a summary + roadmap. Perhaps because then they'd be accountable?

are you aware of any other artist or band, dead or alive, who's representatives do things like you're suggesting?

Enough with the whataboutism, they asked a reasonable question. How is it "transparency" to charge $1400+ for a panel of vague answers while the hosts give conflicting information to different attendees?

mattosgood said:

I'm confused, are you asking me if other Artists/Bands/or their representatives... issue press releases/have a functional website with an up to date "news" section? It feels like that's what you're asking, but I'm not sure why, because... All of them? Why does it matter if others are doing it?

OK, Granted probably not the artists themselves, they like to work in private then release their project. But the estate isn't creating anything. They're compiling. The artist did all the hard work years ago. The estate are now doing the bureaucracy.

Here's the thing with a roadmap, if something changes, they simply update it. Fans are in the loop, and the outright hostility goes away because there's nothing to complain about. It also stops false hope arising from rumours and miscommunications on social media.

They can't say "our aim is to be transparent" from behind a locked door and expect to be taken seriously.

lurker316 said:

mattosgood said:

all I'm trying to do is provide some perspective on what it came across hearing it first hand, rather than make sh*t up like some people here seem to like to do. the bar is low, based on past statements, but I'd rather be glass half full about it and as i've previously said, which I think is aligned to your perspective - proof is in the pudding, deeds not words etc

Do you see the logical mistake you're making? You're claiming that you're trying to accurately report what was said at the Celebration. Fair enough. But that doesn't mean what they told you was the truth. Those are two different things. The facts that were relayed to you could be incorrect, due to either honest mistakes and misunderstandings or intentional spin.

This isn't just cynicism: the Estate has a history of mistakes and lack of candor, so fans have a rational reason to be skeptical. Plus, the Estate is ultimately a business, and all businesses spin info.

You would be more persuasive if you could be objective and concede that some of the info you were provided might be spin. "Look, I'm just telling you exactly what they said in the most accurate way as possible. It's up to you whether to believe what the Estate was saying." But instead you're blindly defending them, which brings your reliability into question.

With respect to the effect of the Netflix deal, we have conflicting reports from reputable sources, one saying Netflix had control only of video, the other saying Netflix had control of everything. Which makes more sense and is more likely?

[Edited 6/22/25 14:55pm]

I get a sense you are shooting the messenger here, in relation to what are probably all our frustrations about the delay in new music and mixed messages from the past.

I don't beileve I have implied anything than that I relaying what was said rather than what wasn't said and people making stuff up like 'no more SDE because they are too expensive'

clearly, things may change, not happen, be spin etc - that's life... to think otherwise would be silly.

i do have a different, more optimistic perspective and yes I was lucky enough to be there to hear what was said, how it was said - which I appreciate makes a difference from reading it a report - I am not definding them, I am though giving them the benefit if the doubt as I'm as frustrated by the release schedule and release selections as much as anyone else here is.

[Edited 6/23/25 9:48am]

bozojones said:

mattosgood said:

are you aware of any other artist or band, dead or alive, who's representatives do things like you're suggesting?

Enough with the whataboutism, they asked a reasonable question. How is it "transparency" to charge $1400+ for a panel of vague answers while the hosts give conflicting information to different attendees?

It's a fair enough question IMHO.

Some answers were straight up, some weren't vague but some were, as they were clearly ideas they were sounding out, that were not fully formed. How transperant they were, only time will tell, deeds not words.

Clearly too, the cost of the tickets covered a lot more than the Q&A session...

What conflciting information are you referencing?

Ndorphinmachina said:

mattosgood said:

are you aware of any other artist or band, dead or alive, who's representatives do things like you're suggesting?

I'm confused, are you asking me if other Artists/Bands/or their representatives... issue press releases/have a functional website with an up to date "news" section? It feels like that's what you're asking, but I'm not sure why, because... All of them? Why does it matter if others are doing it? OK, Granted probably not the artists themselves, they like to work in private then release their project. But the estate isn't creating anything. They're compiling. The artist did all the hard work years ago. The estate are now doing the bureaucracy. Here's the thing with a roadmap, if something changes, they simply update it. Fans are in the loop, and the outright hostility goes away because there's nothing to complain about. It also stops false hope arising from rumours and miscommunications on social media. They can't say "our aim is to be transparent" from behind a locked door and expect to be taken seriously.

it wasn't a complicated question, at least I didn't intend it to be.

I get that we are all chomping at the bit for new music and frustrated by the delays.

Maybe they will do the stuff you're talking about but then again, the room had the doors shut, phones were taken off us and they highlighted that there were some legal aspects they couldn't go in to in detail or were things they were sharing off the record - so videos of it are unlikey. I'm sure annoucements and press releases will come in due course, just like they have previously. Patience is a virtue and this was a fresh start. But deeds not words, that's what counts, they need to back it up now.

The information from those who spoke off-the-record face to face to Spicer and Mc Millan is contradictory...some claim that they have clearly expressed that there will be no more SDE as we knew them and others the opposite, I believe that we are simply heading towards a simple deluxe release like the one of PR DELUXE 2017...it is clear that it is rather disappointing if the chosen format is the same, however it costs too much to produce big box SDE, even the simple act of remastering an album by a Bernie Grundman for example without any bonuses costs a fortune, I am surprised that no small preview and details have been shared on the project of releasing the deluxe/expanded edition of ATWIAD which would be planned for this year?....I fear that no work on this project has been done, I fear a rushed and botched job...September will be quickly approaching...if no information at that time is available on this supposed release so we have all the reasons to worry about the future of the Estate and to credit the current team with a new lie, hope remains but it is difficult to realize for various reasons, I hope that Mc Millan and Spicer will be able to surprise us very positively on the content even if in the end the format chosen for this new expanded edition project is less imposing than those that we have known with the SDE of SIGN and D&P?

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