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found the demo and another version that sounds better than the one that's on the SDE.

What is the difference then?

Theres 2 slighty different official edits (the released one and the slightly longer bootleg), i dont know what the 3rd version the op is refering to, probably some lame fan remaster or AI hybrid junk

Revolution81 said:

Theres 2 slighty different official edits (the released one and the slightly longer bootleg), i dont know what the 3rd version the op is refering to, probably some lame fan remaster or AI hybrid junk

Crazy, I hadn't checked and hadn't realized the bootleg was longer, but it is. Really reminds us that we should always compare our bootlegs to vault releases before assuming what the Estate put out is the exact same thing as what we had...

My bootleg version of it also does sound better (at least to my hears, i'm no audiophile) than the D&P SDE released version.

Makes one wonder why on Earth the Estate chose to release a shorter and more muffled version over the other... They said they only found it on cassette in the vault, but even if the circulating version couldn't be found in the vault, it could have been sourced from the bootlegs. You'd think with Duane in charge this could have been avoided.

That said, I guess the good news is we end-up getting both versions, but still, it's odd...

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As for what the OP meant, some elaboration would be welcome...

Revolution81 said:

Theres 2 slighty different official edits (the released one and the slightly longer bootleg), i dont know what the 3rd version the op is refering to, probably some lame fan remaster or AI hybrid junk

That was my first thought as well. Without more info from the OP, my best guess is the third version she heard that sounds better is a fan AI remaster.

databank said:

Revolution81 said:

Theres 2 slighty different official edits (the released one and the slightly longer bootleg), i dont know what the 3rd version the op is refering to, probably some lame fan remaster or AI hybrid junk

Crazy, I hadn't checked and hadn't realized the bootleg was longer, but it is. Really reminds us that we should always compare our bootlegs to vault releases before assuming what the Estate put out is the exact same thing as what we had...

My bootleg version of it also does sound better (at least to my hears, i'm no audiophile) than the D&P SDE released version.

Makes one wonder why on Earth the Estate chose to release a shorter and more muffled version over the other... They said they only found it on cassette in the vault, but even if the circulating version couldn't be found in the vault, it could have been sourced from the bootlegs. You'd think with Duane in charge this could have been avoided.

That said, I guess the good news is we end-up getting both versions, but still, it's odd...

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As for what the OP meant, some elaboration would be welcome...

The shorter edit was done around the time ('91) so maybe they just found that and didnt even realise the circulating boot was slightly longer

Letter 4 Miles is another one some might not be aware of, the d and p deluxe version has horns whereas the bootleg doesn't. There's a couple of others too

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Revolution81 said:

databank said:

Crazy, I hadn't checked and hadn't realized the bootleg was longer, but it is. Really reminds us that we should always compare our bootlegs to vault releases before assuming what the Estate put out is the exact same thing as what we had...

My bootleg version of it also does sound better (at least to my hears, i'm no audiophile) than the D&P SDE released version.

Makes one wonder why on Earth the Estate chose to release a shorter and more muffled version over the other... They said they only found it on cassette in the vault, but even if the circulating version couldn't be found in the vault, it could have been sourced from the bootlegs. You'd think with Duane in charge this could have been avoided.

That said, I guess the good news is we end-up getting both versions, but still, it's odd...

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As for what the OP meant, some elaboration would be welcome...

The shorter edit was done around the time ('91) so maybe they just found that and didnt even realise the circulating boot was slightly longer

It's kind of their job to realise such things, though

Letter 4 Miles is another one some might not be aware of, the d and p deluxe version has horns whereas the bootleg doesn't. There's a couple of others too

Letter 4 Miles was more obvious, yes. I didn't bother comparing the rest but I didn't delete my boots either. I'd be curious in reading a list of differences if you or anyone bothered to make one.

I don't think it's AI, found it on a legit site, they even had the demo on there and a lot of unreleased Prince songs (most of the bootlegs that have been circulating over the years). When it's a fan edit they usually say it in the description.

databank said:

You'd think with Duane in charge this could have been avoided.

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Hahaha..... Quite the opposite

paisleyparkgirl said:

I don't think it's AI, found it on a legit site, they even had the demo on there and a lot of unreleased Prince songs (most of the bootlegs that have been circulating over the years). When it's a fan edit they usually say it in the description.

You need to be clearer, when you say "demo" your talking about the boot thats the same as the d and p deluxe version, just slightly longer? Any other differences or just sound quality?

What are the track times of the 3 versions your talking about

Revolution81 said:

paisleyparkgirl said:

I don't think it's AI, found it on a legit site, they even had the demo on there and a lot of unreleased Prince songs (most of the bootlegs that have been circulating over the years). When it's a fan edit they usually say it in the description.

You need to be clearer, when you say "demo" your talking about the boot thats the same as the d and p deluxe version, just slightly longer? Any other differences or just sound quality?

What are the track times of the 3 versions your talking about

I agree. Without more details the information is rather confusing.

Revolution81 said:

paisleyparkgirl said:

I don't think it's AI, found it on a legit site, they even had the demo on there and a lot of unreleased Prince songs (most of the bootlegs that have been circulating over the years). When it's a fan edit they usually say it in the description.

You need to be clearer, when you say "demo" your talking about the boot thats the same as the d and p deluxe version, just slightly longer? Any other differences or just sound quality?

What are the track times of the 3 versions your talking about

It says demo in the description and it's a more stripped down version.

The other one sounds clearer than the one that's on D&P SDE, the mixing is better as well which is why I said I was surprised they didn't use that one on the SDE.

paisleyparkgirl said:

Revolution81 said:

You need to be clearer, when you say "demo" your talking about the boot thats the same as the d and p deluxe version, just slightly longer? Any other differences or just sound quality?

What are the track times of the 3 versions your talking about

It says demo in the description and it's a more stripped down version.

The other one sounds clearer than the one that's on D&P SDE, the mixing is better as well which is why I said I was surprised they didn't use that one on the SDE.

The "other one" sounds like it could be the widely circulating boot. there isnt a more stripped down "demo" in wide circulation so it could be an AI creation.

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nayroo2002 said:

Revolution81 said:

Only way to find out for sure, upload them all somewhere for us to check out!

Aww, shit!
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Indeed, the sound quality puts the released version to shame, but I can't find any others version.

Revolution81 said:

paisleyparkgirl said:

It says demo in the description and it's a more stripped down version.

The other one sounds clearer than the one that's on D&P SDE, the mixing is better as well which is why I said I was surprised they didn't use that one on the SDE.

The "other one" sounds like it could be the widely circulating boot. there isnt a more stripped down "demo" in wide circulation so it could be an AI creation.
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Not sure but they all appear to be the same to me.

One seems to be the one I have from Work It.

One seems to be the first 1993 source from the old Yellow bootleg (same version but different pitch and poorer sound quality).

The one labeled "demo" seems to be just the same to me but with maybe yet again a different pitch, something in between both versions quality-wise.

Maybe I'm missing something and it's hard to compare more precisely as I can't download them (my computer screams "virus!") and the player on this weird websuite doesn't allow one to navigate in the song. What differences do you hear besides sound quality and pitch?

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Revolution81 said:

Only way to find out for sure, upload them all somewhere for us to check out!

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databank said:

Not sure but they all appear to be the same to me.

One seems to be the one I have from Work It.

One seems to be the first 1993 source from the old Yellow bootleg (same version but different pitch and poorer sound quality).

The one labeled "demo" seems to be just the same to me but with maybe yet again a different pitch, something in between both versions quality-wise.

Maybe I'm missing something and it's hard to compare more precisely as I can't download them (my computer screams "virus!") and the player on this weird websuite doesn't allow one to navigate in the song. What differences do you hear besides sound quality and pitch?

It sounds more polished. I wasn't saying it sounds THAT different but to me it sounds more professionally done.

databank said:

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Indeed, the sound quality puts the released version to shame, but I can't find any others version.

I'm not sure which bootleg version you are hearing with better sound quality than the D and P deluxe version?

Anyway paisley park girl is right in a way, the bootleg is different from the D and P version in more than just length, i just noticed its missing some overdubs too. I'm guessing these were done the same time as the edit, which explains why the estate released the more finished shorter version

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Revolution81 said:

databank said:

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Indeed, the sound quality puts the released version to shame, but I can't find any others version.

I'm not sure which bootleg version you are hearing with better sound quality than the D and P deluxe version?

Anyway paisley park girl is right in a way, the bootleg is different from the D and P version in more than just length, i just noticed its missing some overdubs too. I'm guessing these were done the same time as the edit, which explains why the estate released the more finished shorter version

Thanks for the info.

The version I'm refering to is the one on Work It and on a very famous video website that I won't name, which I assume is the most common and best quality circulating bootleg source.

Note that my ears aren't what they used to be and I'm no audiophile, so maybe others would disagree who know better, but to me it sounds clearer and having more depth than the released version.

That said, if the released version has additional overdubs and is the final one before Martika's overdubs, I understand better why it would be selected by Duan/the Estate, thus withdraw my criticism of the decision

databank said:

Revolution81 said:

I'm not sure which bootleg version you are hearing with better sound quality than the D and P deluxe version?

Anyway paisley park girl is right in a way, the bootleg is different from the D and P version in more than just length, i just noticed its missing some overdubs too. I'm guessing these were done the same time as the edit, which explains why the estate released the more finished shorter version

Thanks for the info.

The version I'm refering to is the one on Work It and on a very famous video website that I won't name, which I assume is the most common and best quality circulating bootleg source.

Note that my ears aren't what they used to be and I'm no audiophile, so maybe others would disagree who know better, but to me it sounds clearer and having more depth than the released version.

That said, if the released version has additional overdubs and is the final one before Martika's overdubs, I understand better why it would be selected by Duan/the Estate, thus withdraw my criticism of the decision

I could say the same about my ears lol

Its very slight but listen from 2.29 - 2.31 on the official youtube version and compare it to the relevant section on the boots. Thats the only difference i noticed apart from the length

Revolution81 said:

databank said:

Thanks for the info.

The version I'm refering to is the one on Work It and on a very famous video website that I won't name, which I assume is the most common and best quality circulating bootleg source.

Note that my ears aren't what they used to be and I'm no audiophile, so maybe others would disagree who know better, but to me it sounds clearer and having more depth than the released version.

That said, if the released version has additional overdubs and is the final one before Martika's overdubs, I understand better why it would be selected by Duan/the Estate, thus withdraw my criticism of the decision

I could say the same about my ears lol

Its very slight but listen from 2.29 - 2.31 on the official youtube version and compare it to the relevant section on the boots. Thats the only difference i noticed apart from the length

True!! Among possibly other things, there also appears to be more layers of vocals on the chorus on the official version than on the bootleg. Fascinating.