Reply #120 posted 03/06/25 2:21am
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A previous poster used that as an example of something he would like to see in a documentary on Prince (as opposed to things about his personal life). But this begs the question: what rare footage is in Ezra’s documentary? It’s 9 hours long and he had exclusive access to a lot of footage.It’s kinda sad to think of all the good footage that we won’t see  |
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Reply #121 posted 03/06/25 2:30am
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ExTAFKASoladeo1 said: SoulAlive said:They have to decide: do they want a documentary strictly about Prince’s art or do they want a complete documentary about his life? In my opinion,you can’t really have one without the other.Yes,it would be interesting to see rare footage of Prince composing “Lady Cab Driver” in the studio but I also wanna know about Prince’s motivations,his fears,his insecurities,what made him tick.A good documentary digs deep and you will really learn something about the artist.We already know that Prince was a musical genius.I don’t need a celebratory puff piece.We won’t learn anything from that.
Is there a reason yall keep bringing up footage if Prince recording Lady Cab Driver??
Like…does that exist??
According to Duane Tudhal, there's no footage of Prince's recording process from the 80's. |
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Reply #122 posted 03/06/25 7:18am
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SoulAlive said:
They have to decide: do they want a documentary strictly about Prince’s art or do they want a complete documentary about his life? In my opinion,you can’t really have one without the other.Yes,it would be interesting to see rare footage of Prince composing “Lady Cab Driver” in the studio but I also wanna know about Prince’s motivations,his fears,his insecurities,what made him tick.A good documentary digs deep and you will really learn something about the artist.We already know that Prince was a musical genius.I don’t need a celebratory puff piece.We won’t learn anything from that.
I think we will indeed get a puff piece from the Estate. The release date is 26/27, so they don't even have a clue how to create this.
Jill Jones sums it up really nicely:
"The world will receive a sanitized, polished version of "Prince", a carefully curated illusion that erases the depth of his reality" |
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Reply #123 posted 03/06/25 7:25am
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Trufunksoulja said:
SoulAlive said:
They have to decide: do they want a documentary strictly about Prince’s art or do they want a complete documentary about his life? In my opinion,you can’t really have one without the other.Yes,it would be interesting to see rare footage of Prince composing “Lady Cab Driver” in the studio but I also wanna know about Prince’s motivations,his fears,his insecurities,what made him tick.A good documentary digs deep and you will really learn something about the artist.We already know that Prince was a musical genius.I don’t need a celebratory puff piece.We won’t learn anything from that.
I think we will indeed get a puff piece from the Estate. The release date is 26/27, so they don't even have a clue how to create this.
Jill Jones sums it up really nicely:
"The world will receive a sanitized, polished version of "Prince", a carefully curated illusion that erases the depth of his reality"
If the estate does put out a "puff piece", then so be it. There's a lot of assumptions about the quality of visual project the estate will release to the market. At the end of the day, the subject is a musician. Not a reality TV star, not a influencer, so salaciousness and digging into Prince's trash bin for sordid details about his life sn't necessary to sell Prince to whoever the demo is of the documentary. 3121 #1 THIS YEAR |
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Reply #124 posted 03/06/25 8:02am
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I watched the Edelman interview yesterday and thought the guy was pretty cool.
I already knew his OJ documentary (and thought it was great).
After this podcast episode, I'm now even more sure that his Prince documentary would have been a highlight for fans and non-fans alike. It's so sad that we will most likely never see it. |
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Reply #125 posted 03/06/25 8:58am
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Resolution said:
I am in the minority but delighted this is permanently canned. It would have been sensationalist [typical of Netflix these days] and biased towards his weaknesses. I guarantee you no research was done on the countless charitable acts Prince delivered. Just disappointed nothing was ready for immediate release post this announcement to celebrate the vaults Freedom 
U simply dont know what u are talking about.
No I don't have a clue. I only got to become the VP of a Fortune 500 company through following your great advise through the years.
That said, while I don't know what I am talking about, at least I got the outcome I was looking for
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Reply #126 posted 03/06/25 9:25am
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bashraka said:
Trufunksoulja said:
I think we will indeed get a puff piece from the Estate. The release date is 26/27, so they don't even have a clue how to create this.
Jill Jones sums it up really nicely:
"The world will receive a sanitized, polished version of "Prince", a carefully curated illusion that erases the depth of his reality"
If the estate does put out a "puff piece", then so be it. There's a lot of assumptions about the quality of visual project the estate will release to the market. At the end of the day, the subject is a musician. Not a reality TV star, not a influencer, so salaciousness and digging into Prince's trash bin for sordid details about his life sn't necessary to sell Prince to whoever the demo is of the documentary.
And we don't need poeple who weren't there (yet) for a recording or song or whatever to telling us what inspired him or his motivations, his fears, his insecurities or what made him tick, because then we'll get these Lisa fantasy stories about how he wrote and recodded Wonderful Ass about Wendy and Susannah when tehy weren't even around yet and when Jill says he wrote and recorded it abpout and for Vanity, for example.
Prince is dead so we only get second hand stories that can't be verified so anyone can say anything and gullible people with eat it up as if it was fact.
I would love to see a 9 hour documentary that is focussed on his artistry and how his personal life or experiences inspired so and so song. I don't need to know details of his skills in bed or who ever he smacked back unless there is a direct link to a recording or something. Let his art and artistry be leading.
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Reply #127 posted 03/06/25 9:29am
Trufunksoulja
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bashraka said:
Trufunksoulja said:
I think we will indeed get a puff piece from the Estate. The release date is 26/27, so they don't even have a clue how to create this.
Jill Jones sums it up really nicely:
"The world will receive a sanitized, polished version of "Prince", a carefully curated illusion that erases the depth of his reality"
If the estate does put out a "puff piece", then so be it. There's a lot of assumptions about the quality of visual project the estate will release to the market. At the end of the day, the subject is a musician. Not a reality TV star, not a influencer, so salaciousness and digging into Prince's trash bin for sordid details about his life sn't necessary to sell Prince to whoever the demo is of the documentary.
Heyy McMillions 
At this point noone really cares about a doc, puff or not.
Any doc will divide, because P impacted so many different peeps.
It is hard to satisfy everyone.
But I think it is fair to say that we all are in it for the Vault stuff.
That is the only thing that makes any official doc worthwile to watch.
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Reply #128 posted 03/06/25 11:11am
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Trufunksoulja said:
But I think it is fair to say that we all are in it for the Vault stuff.
That is the only thing that makes any official doc worthwile to watch.
On that note, happy #FREE one month anniversary everybody! 
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Reply #129 posted 03/06/25 3:16pm
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ElGorillos said:
Trufunksoulja said:
But I think it is fair to say that we all are in it for the Vault stuff.
That is the only thing that makes any official doc worthwile to watch.
On that note, happy #FREE one month anniversary everybody!
Just the first of many, many months that we will go without hearing any of that #Freed vault material! Hooray! 
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Reply #130 posted 03/06/25 3:17pm
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skywalker said:
True, but I'd argue that, the truths never heard are more interesting than the ones being rehashed. Or worse, exaggerated.
Rehashed is a pov. We are Prince fans here. We know the stories. This is going also going to be marketed to and viewed by a new/general audience that is hearing about Prince's life/art/genius for the first time. Rehashed and exaggerated could have just as easily been what Edelman was serving up. I think rehashed is explicit. At the end of the documentary made by the estate. You will have learned nothing new about Prince. They've pretty much openly stated that they want to preserve the mystery. Which would render a documentary effectively pointless. A documentary where you learn nothing. A compilation album featuring greatest moments of his life. I don't think Ezra had any agenda. I think he followed the lesser known threads. Personally, my only issue with how he did things (from what we know) was that given JJs (almost certainly true) allegation, people who were interviewed for the documentary who were there at the time needed to be asked about it. ie the manager, the band etc. Again, it was 9 hours. It's not all going to be good, but equally, it certainly wasn't all focused on the times he fucked up.
Don't think many people would disagree. However, if there's no footage of him in the studio recording it, then an examination of his life at the time he wrote it seems like the next best thing?
The estate certainly isn't going to get technical, talking through the equipment, or have someone recreate it live to demonstrate how it was done... That's a YouTube thing and the estate has made no effort in that regard.
The Prince/Paisley Park channel could be the go to place for guitar/bass/piano/drum tutorials for Prince songs by the people who played the songs for a living. They could have hundreds of technical walkthroughs and how to's about getting this or that sound. Deep dive interviews with engineers who were there... They could be teaching people but, they'd rather sell wine glasses and wellington boots.
I have zero confidence that their documentary will be more than a channel 5 (low quality, low effort) documentary. Likely showing clips of performances they won't release for another 15 years... Or worse, full of clips that only serve to advertise their next couple of releases.
We don't need footage of Prince recording Lady Cab Driver. Show him playing it live. Do the Ken Burns camera effect on a still image of the lyrics. There's literally hundreds of ways to focus on the art rather than pivoting to other subjects because they are more "juicy." Even a merely competant documentary maker knows how to do this. Bottom Line: Edelman clearly wasn't interested in this.
Well, you said you wanted focus on "how Prince made Lady cab driver" (I understand this could be any song, but since this was the one you mentioned, we'll use it as the example)... Showing a live version doesn't really tell you how he made it. If there's no studio footage that's out the question. Simply putting the lyrics on the screen doesn't tell anyone how anything happened. You sort of have to speak to people who were there at the time and look at what was happening in his life at the time that might have influenced the songs creation. If you're looking for something deeper still, then what you really want is a documentary on the 1999 album. Which can then dive into each song with the relevant technical depth... But the estate isn't offering that either. |
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Reply #131 posted 03/06/25 4:08pm
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