SoulAlive said:

masaba1 said:

Why do we have to see Prince's demons and pain on the silver screen. Obviously he's been through shit, done bad shit. Like everyone. It's not my business and honestly I don't think it's anyone else's.

Exactly. People want to see an extrordinary musician and entertainer knocked down a peg to feel better about their mediocre lives. Prince nor the estate owe it to fans to show his every fraility and sordid detail about his personal life. A documentary about Prince can be made about him without satisfying people's weird fascination about his every foible.

It's been said, but worth restating: John Lennon. Elvis Presley. Freddie Mercury. David Bowie. Can you imagine their estates officially endorsing a documentary as controversial/questionable as this one?

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Absolutely not.

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It's odd to me that some thought this "expose" style doc was ever going to see the light of day, let a lone be sanctioned/endorsed by Prince's estate.

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It's one thing to frame Prince as human, rebellious, controversial, etc. Hell, his most famous project Purple Rain (which is semi-autobiographical) portayed him as an anti hero. It's another to get salacious with out him here to defend himself.

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skywalker said:

It's been said, but worth restating: John Lennon. Elvis Presley. Freddie Mercury. David Bowie. Can you imagine their estates officially endorsing a documentary as controversial/questionable as this one?

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Absolutely not.

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It's odd to me that some thought this "expose" style doc was ever going to see the light of day, let a lone be sanctioned/endorsed by Prince's estate.

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It's one thing to frame Prince as human, rebellious, controversial, etc. Hell, his most famous project Purple Rain (which is semi-autobiographical) portayed him as an anti hero. It's another to get salacious with out him here to defend himself.

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Except everyone who has seen it has high praise 4 it.

RODSERLING said:

skywalker said:

Seems like it. People keep bemoaning the fact that we are going to get an "estate endorsed" doc. This was SUPPOSED to be that, no? Anyways, just get Questlove to do it or Spike. I don't need to "break the mystique or persona" of Prince. I just want a comprehensivve reintroduction of his Royal Badness that's designed for the world and the 21st Century. Is that too much too ask ?

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Apparently Edelman began working on the Doc in 2019(!), After the previous director was fired / got away from the project ( which seems to be doomed). Edelman was led to believe he had complete editorial control. The New estate heard the Doc was all about trash ( someone's interviewed told them the questions were mainly about drugs, psychological and physical abuse against women), and then blocked him the Access to the Vault. Nevertheless, Edelman still went forward with his trash, among them Prince being abused by one of his uncle.

Mere speculation.
Have you seen it? No.
It is not 100% clear how these subjects were perceived.

We all only know some magnified facts from this full 9 hours.

Gooddoctor23 said:

skywalker said:

It's been said, but worth restating: John Lennon. Elvis Presley. Freddie Mercury. David Bowie. Can you imagine their estates officially endorsing a documentary as controversial/questionable as this one?

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Absolutely not.

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It's odd to me that some thought this "expose" style doc was ever going to see the light of day, let a lone be sanctioned/endorsed by Prince's estate.

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It's one thing to frame Prince as human, rebellious, controversial, etc. Hell, his most famous project Purple Rain (which is semi-autobiographical) portayed him as an anti hero. It's another to get salacious with out him here to defend himself.

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Except everyone who has seen it has high praise 4 it.

This seems to be not quite true. https://www.showbiz411.co...ed-version

JoeyStarr69 said:

SoulAlive said:

In any case,I am not the least bit interested in the new documentary that the estate are making.It will be a predictable puff piece.

Yep - completely sugar coated

Exactly.The estate are behaving as if they're trying to hide something,which is really dumb.Fans know all these stories already.No need to sugar-coat or hide anything.

skywalker said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

Except everyone who has seen it has high praise 4 it.

This seems to be not quite true. https://www.showbiz411.co...ed-version

lol...random source......yea sure.

Gooddoctor23 said:

skywalker said:

This seems to be not quite true. https://www.showbiz411.co...ed-version

lol...random source......yea sure.

You said "everyone who has seen it has high praise." No? Your sweeping generalization is less specific than my "random source."

skywalker said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

lol...random source......yea sure.

You said "everyone who has seen it has high praise." No? Your sweeping generalization is less specific than my "random source."

I dont care 2 argue. The people that I know has seen it says it was GREAT. I'll take their word 4 it.

I have not seen it 4 my self and it appears that everyone outside the small circle of E's circle won't ever see it. It is what it is.

it seems weird to just throw away a massive nine-hour documentary by an Oscar-winning filmmaker.And when you consider that the estate also had issues with the previous director...it kinda makes you wonder....exactly what kind of doc do they want? What don't they want the public to know about Prince?

skywalker said:

Ndorphinmachina said:

skywalker said:

Seems like it. People keep bemoaning the fact that we are going to get an "estate endorsed" doc. This was SUPPOSED to be that, no? Anyways, just get Questlove to do it or Spike. I don't need to "break the mystique or persona" of Prince. I just want a comprehensivve reintroduction of his Royal Badness that's designed for the world and the 21st Century. Is that too much too ask ?

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I doubt the estate could afford Spike, and I'm not sure Quest has much experience as a filmmaker? I honestly won't be surprised if Spicer and Llondel are planning to shoot it themselves on an iPhone... Also, who's to say the people interviewed the first time round, are going to do it all again. Especially if it's to cover up what happened to a friend? Personally, I'd rather have a comprehensive 9 hour documentary, than some 90 minute ode to Purple Rain. That ignores anything uncomfortable, and moulds the truth to fit their narrative. Are they going to acknowledge sales dropping off when he went to war with his fans? I doubt it. A rose tinted view does nothing for the legacy. Controversy sells. The art, is delivering the controversy and still making you care enough to see past it and appreciate the work. The only thing some sycophantic attempt to paint over the cracks will accomplish is all cracks being uncovered again but with more media attention.

Quest is actually quite an experienced (and award winning) music documentary film maker. Spike is a HUGE Prince fan, so I don't think either are out of the realm of possible....

I am not intrested in any "new" Prince release while Londell McMillan and the rest Estate are behind it. I'll wait it out or get bootlegs. Ihave no intrest in helping them mooch of Prince with their half ass incompetent releases and roadmaps.

SoulAlive said:

In any case,I am not the least bit interested in the new documentary that the estate are making.It will be a predictable puff piece.

I am only interested in the vault stuff, will skip McMillions fluff.

They will probably only show seconds of vault stuff and we can watch the extended/ full version in future Cellies

Trufunksoulja said:

SoulAlive said:

In any case,I am not the least bit interested in the new documentary that the estate are making.It will be a predictable puff piece.

I am only interested in the vault stuff, will skip McMillions fluff.

They will probably only show seconds of vault stuff and we can watch the extended/ full version in future Cellies

Bingo.

skywalker said:

Ndorphinmachina said:

skywalker said: I doubt the estate could afford Spike, and I'm not sure Quest has much experience as a filmmaker? I honestly won't be surprised if Spicer and Llondel are planning to shoot it themselves on an iPhone... Also, who's to say the people interviewed the first time round, are going to do it all again. Especially if it's to cover up what happened to a friend? Personally, I'd rather have a comprehensive 9 hour documentary, than some 90 minute ode to Purple Rain. That ignores anything uncomfortable, and moulds the truth to fit their narrative. Are they going to acknowledge sales dropping off when he went to war with his fans? I doubt it. A rose tinted view does nothing for the legacy. Controversy sells. The art, is delivering the controversy and still making you care enough to see past it and appreciate the work. The only thing some sycophantic attempt to paint over the cracks will accomplish is all cracks being uncovered again but with more media attention.

Quest is actually quite an experienced (and award winning) music documentary film maker. Spike is a HUGE Prince fan, so I don't think either are out of the realm of possible....

The reason Edelman was a good choice was that he wasn't a rabid Prince fan. Questlove is too much of a fan to be objective - not to mention he's one of those "Prince didn't do anything good after 1987" fans. Spike might be slightly better, but again - as a fan, he already has preconceived biases.

I also don't understand all these people saying they only want music and don't care about Prince's personal life. I wonder if they've ever really listened to his music then. Prince himself said his life was in his music. They're inextricibly intertwined.

ItsOnlyMountains said:

skywalker said:

Quest is actually quite an experienced (and award winning) music documentary film maker. Spike is a HUGE Prince fan, so I don't think either are out of the realm of possible....

The reason Edelman was a good choice was that he wasn't a rabid Prince fan. Questlove is too much of a fan to be objective - not to mention he's one of those "Prince didn't do anything good after 1987" fans. Spike might be slightly better, but again - as a fan, he already has preconceived biases.

I also don't understand all these people saying they only want music and don't care about Prince's personal life. I wonder if they've ever really listened to his music then. Prince himself said his life was in his music. They're inextricibly intertwined.

"I also don't understand all these people saying they only want music and don't care about Prince's personal life. I wonder if they've ever really listened to his music then. Prince himself said his life was in his music. They're inextricibly intertwined." You just answered your own question. The man himself revealed as much as he wanted the public to know about him.

bashraka said:

ItsOnlyMountains said:

The reason Edelman was a good choice was that he wasn't a rabid Prince fan. Questlove is too much of a fan to be objective - not to mention he's one of those "Prince didn't do anything good after 1987" fans. Spike might be slightly better, but again - as a fan, he already has preconceived biases.

I also don't understand all these people saying they only want music and don't care about Prince's personal life. I wonder if they've ever really listened to his music then. Prince himself said his life was in his music. They're inextricibly intertwined.

"I also don't understand all these people saying they only want music and don't care about Prince's personal life. I wonder if they've ever really listened to his music then. Prince himself said his life was in his music. They're inextricibly intertwined." You just answered your own question. The man himself revealed as much as he wanted the public to know about him.

I didn't ask any question; I made a statement. When people say they don't care about Prince's personal life - and it's right there in his music - they contradict themselves. Or haven't really listened. Or they only listen to his instrumental stuff.

You're projecting something that isn't there onto my comments. I didn't give any opinion about the documentary itself, or whether it should be released.

CynicKill said:

It’s for the best. Gen Z would definitely cancel Prince were this to be released. The memes… The negativity… No thanks.

Mere speculation.

You did not see it!

masaba1 said:

Why do we have to see Prince's demons and pain on the silver screen. Obviously he's been through shit, done bad shit. Like everyone. It's not my business and honestly I don't think it's anyone else's.

FYI, you're right, it 'should' not be any of our business, in a fair and peacful world... which obviously is not the case. We're not living in a perfect fairy tale world.

It's the hard world, and how we react to those who cover up their stardom with a life story, telling us that all we need to know about them is in their music.

Which is total bullshit of course.

That's just what people do; talk about what is NOT known. Speculation, if you like it or not.

Prince is dead, or actually, never been more alive, until the shit he created himself is out there and somehow understood, let alone solved.

Which I doubt will ever be the case, and frankly I don't care either.

I just say out loud what most people think and react to.

He left no will, and was perfectly aware of his own life and getting older, and that the drugs he took were life threatening, but he didn't do nothing except for having just a tiny small circle left of yes-sayers around him, while trying to survive like a poor guy in his own PP.

Remember the pics of the investigation? How his living conditions looked like in PP? All that keeps peope guessing and speculating as well.

A good doc trying to figure out why he lost himself in drugs and religion, is not necessarily a bad one, and certainly won't harm his legacy imo, because what matters the most, and what people will remember the most is his music. I believe in that.

simon1969 said:

After working in it for as long as he did. I expect Ezra has a copy which will “inevitably” leak at some point , probably just before or after the new On message doc is released

Exactly.

Imagine, if the final deal was not up to his likes for example, or he wants to show a fuck you to the incompetence of the estate, all good reasons to release at the same time the current estate has a sugar coated new one ready to be released.

Would love that sort of battle in the media.

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off topic, I saw loads of pix of Londell at the Grammy's probably shopping for a new deal or doc maker... His 'thank you' words on his instagram are so far from reality, unbelievable.

SoulAlive said:

it seems weird to just throw away a massive nine-hour documentary by an Oscar-winning filmmaker.And when you consider that the estate also had issues with the previous director...it kinda makes you wonder....exactly what kind of doc do they want? What don't they want the public to know about Prince?

Again... exactly.