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thoughts from a long-time lurker I have to admit that I come here at least once a week, I click on the forum button, and I hope. I am filled with expectation. I click on the forum link and I think:
"today is the day, today is finally the day where we get some news about a new SDE. Today is the day when they announce a vault series, or some new cool collection, or a download site for ephemera and oddities! TODAY!"
And so the 40th anniversary of Purple Rain comes and goes. A colored vinyl is available, but... errr... who cares.
I was perfectly happy with the Purple Rain that came out just after Prince died (well, not the horrible remaster), if only because some of those unreleased tracks were real favorites. I didn't mind the quality of a few of them either. Cassette quality sounded fine to me, as I had the old school muddy distorted versions we had to make do with since the 80's.
But WHAT. THE. FUCK. Nothing really released at all? I've kept myself gloriously stupid about the running of his estate: the players, the family, the legalese, everything. But it feels like these are such EASY decisions to make about an artist's legacy. Don't these people in charge benefit from us buying new product? SO GET IT OUT.
the stupidity, or laziness, or ineptitude is astounding.
ALSO: we, the original fans who bought his vinyl albums WHEN THEY WERE ORIGINALLY RELEASED and dutifully bought the cassettes and then CDs, are not getting any younger. without some big push (like a comprehensive documentary about his life and career) a new young audience won't know who the hell he is in five years. and the rest of us will be gone in the next 20. NOW IS THE TIME TO ACT.
But they don't, and I don't understand why. They have to come here and read all of this. Perhaps there is a big secret giant release coming for the Christmas season, as has happened before. Perhaps! but still no leaks? It is nearly September. Give us something to look forward to!
Um, I think that is about it. Back to posting every few years. Carry on. I enjoy the sniping and pettiness.
XOXO
[Edited 8/31/24 19:56pm] if you could just pass your history class, baby, life would be all right. | |
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To be honest, I think we are all undergoing and expecting the exact same thing here. Sure they realise all too well that we are eager for new releases, and are willing of instant deposit and even wait six months for just something or little. - - Looking forward to your next post in a few years then. ...or sooner, when news is coming. "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) | |
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All good points but the reality is the people who run this estate don't give a damn about Prince or his fans. They remind me of a pro sports owner who has no interest in winning so they pretend they are making a trade or signing a good player only 4 the deal 2 never happen. The fans get excited only 2 be let down yet again. Once this Estate got that initial windfall of the closed probate.......they are pretending. Now that the assets are now in their possession. Some have died, sold rights, and hired people who dont have Prince or the fans interest in mind. The results are clear.
We can keep fooling ourselves but the reality is that less and less material will be released over time, even thou Prince more vault material than anyone. We will all be dead and gone and the vault material will still be unreleased. How the hell does this make any sense?
This is a sad state of affairs but once it was stated that Prince had no will, this was as predictable as rain. and that rain is NOT purple, it is just b.s. [Edited 9/2/24 12:23pm] Graycap23 was ME! | |
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It seems like they can't release the First Avenue '83 show due to Netflix and that's the reason they didn’t bother releasing any PR SDE this year which is really a shame. But how hard can it be to replace that show so they can release the set? Or is Netflix preventing the estate from releasing any PR concert footage? In that case, just release the SDE so we get something this year. They refuse to tell us about their plans, if there are any. At this point, I don't expect anything from the estate except more disappointment. U are now an official member of the New Power Generation
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MIRvmn1 said: It seems like they can't release the First Avenue '83 show due to Netflix and that's the reason they didn’t bother releasing any PR SDE this year which is really a shame. It’s a shame indeed because,not only are we NOT getting those two projects (SDE and 1st Avenue blu-ray),we are also not getting a 9-hour Prince documentary.One cancelled project after another.It’s ridiculous. | |
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I’ve said this before: we should be getting at least two SDEs a year,in addition to live concert DVD/blu-ray sets.The music is already recorded! The shows are already filmed! I really don’t understand what the problem is.
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and let’s not forget the Love Symbol SDE and (possible) Parade SDE,all collecting dust in the vaults Oh well…like I said in the other thread..I guess we can just look forward to the Purple Rain musical cast album next year,filled with a bunch of stage “actors” singing those songs.Sounds exciting,huh? | |
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man I really hate that I was 100% right about this Estate: Complete SH*T. Graycap23 was ME! | |
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SoulAlive said: and let’s not forget the Love Symbol SDE and (possible) Parade SDE,all collecting dust in the vaults Oh well…like I said in the other thread..I guess we can just look forward to the Purple Rain musical cast album next year,filled with a bunch of stage “actors” singing those songs.Sounds exciting,huh? It really bothers me that they still haven’t released the SDE since the set is ready to go. What’s the hold-up? What are they waiting for? It should have been released in December last year so they could've focused on the PR SDE this year, but it seems like we won't get that set either. The estate really deserves all the criticism they get U are now an official member of the New Power Generation
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SoulAlive said: and let’s not forget the Love Symbol SDE and (possible) Parade SDE,all collecting dust in the vaults Oh well…like I said in the other thread..I guess we can just look forward to the Purple Rain musical cast album next year,filled with a bunch of stage “actors” singing those songs.Sounds exciting,huh? I think Love Symbol is 90% done. Just needed some extra vault tracks. Parade SDE never got as far as people assumed. But could be next on the cards still. Let’s see! | |
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You articulated my feelings perfectly. It's a damn shame the caretakers of Prince's Musical legacy don't seem to give a shit. | |
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This Estate is Beyond Redemption Like a coupon past its due date Fans begging 4 the Exemption When all they Receive is bait..........wait.........and hate.
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Hey everybody! Just got an email from the estate that custom glassware was back in stock! No word on a SDE or anything we actually want, but go get yourself a purple coffee mug and party up! if you could just pass your history class, baby, life would be all right. | |
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Well at least we have mugs Shockadelica, she must be a witch
She got your mind, body, and soul hitched | |
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If you want real Prince mugs, go watch the 2009 Montreux shows "Whatever skin we're in
we all need 2 b friends" | |
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Seems like there will be a BFTP 8.0 release in December [Edited 9/30/24 12:13pm] U are now an official member of the New Power Generation
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bare with me....it was a good run folks but maybe its just over. They definitely aren't going to do what we think is so obvious. Streaming concerts releasing more music and whatnot seems such a simple and obvious avenue since Prince has so much material that could be used for this purpose.... so why is it not even being addressed as a possibility, especially since faithful fans are clamouring for it, seems almost negligent.
In comparison, the estate of 2pac did a better job of keeping his legacy alive IMO. There were actual singles released for 2pac after his death, videos, movies etc. Almost if promoting 2pac as if he was still alive. They kept his legacy alive by presenting him as a cultural icon, not dared to be forgotten. The estate seems to take for granted that people need to be reminded constantly because attention does eventually shift. My only fear is that the mishandling will lead to disinterest quicker than it did for 2pac.
Final point is there are so many more 2pac unreleased songs/albums that may never see the light of day for multiple reasons but mainly because of disinterest and promotion dollars needed for more releases, 2pac fans just have to deal with the fact that they may never hear those recordings and that may be what Prince fans may end up having to deal with as well. Anyway that's just my two. | |
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I want to add my two cents onto this, have been a massive Prince fan for years and have looked and posted in several places. Hell over the last year I really got heavily into the mixing and remastering scene using AI generated stems and crowd removal (Billy Ash). So my passion was really high and I very much wanted to be part of the movement keeping Prince's legacy alive. . Yet something has happened recently, my enthusiasm has waned, it feels like the oxygen has left the room. Or maybe the air in the room has got stale. I don't know what the analogy is, but it feels like it is time to just get on with my life, move on and pursue other musical avenues. . If I had to take a guess, I would say that it is all about the shenanigans of the estate, and the mindless nonsensical decisions that HAVE BEEN made. Beyond that there are the nonsensical decisions that ARE BEING made right now. I am sure that the driving force behind these nonsensical decisions are all about individual selfish short term gain. Nothing to do with the music, the art, sharing the love or releasing the vault. It's all $$$$$$$ . Knowing that McMillan is involved just takes me back to some of the crazy times in the past. I don't think he ever made a decent decision. . I think the big turning point for me has been the Netflix documentary. Knowing that this documentary has been ready for a year or two years or whatever. Knowing that the documentary was created by a very competent documentarian. It just drives me crazy that the music has been locked up due to a rights issue with the documentary. . Netflix clearly don't give a rats and they have billions of dollars to play around with so it's just a waiting game for them. Netflix has nothing to lose, and if they sit on this documentary for 10 years, 15 years, whatever, it's no big deal because ultimately when it is released (assuming it is released) then it amounts to new material for Netflix so they win. . The estate, and Prince fans have everything to lose in having to wait for a documentary because of the way it is tying up the vault music, the SDE releases et cetera et cetera. . I am 52 and I am sure that there are many older Prince fans out there we are not getting any younger, and I assure you this next generation is not rushing to be Prince fans, pay for his music or whatever. Will I be alive before the vault is releases? Who knows... I know many aren't (look at Cat.. RIP ) . So if the estate don't care, because all they care about is money... then I will just move on and park my hope/expectations.
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I have lowered my expectations cuz the way things are going now, and how the estate is handling things, means it will take a long time before we get any new releases. U are now an official member of the New Power Generation
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Yeah. All of this is sadly very true | |
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Absolutely agree with this! Even on this very forum, things are waning. I will always be a Prince fan, but like you I am just moving on, we've waited and waited for the music and the Estate kicks us in the teeth every.single.year! I can't waste my time anymore on a losing situation that the Estate blocks everything and nothing new is coming out! | |
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Sadly too true... "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Yeah,I feel like we have no choice but to just enjoy and celebrate Prince on our own.We can't rely on the Estate to do the right thing.I'm tired of waiting around,hoping we will get some incredible goodies from the vault.I have moved on.It's a shame but there's really nothing that we,the fans,can do. | |
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Obviously, while some of the video content is held up by the Netflix mess, they're basically using this situation as an excuse for not releasing anything.
Neither PW nor MakeMillion$ give a shit about releasing what's in the Vault because they're after easy money and monetizing the Vault is not an easy cash grab as opposed to overpriced Celebrations and purple rain boots. | |
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Exactly!!!! . I started going through audience live recordings and using AI to remove audience noise - Essentially creating my own collection of soundboards... i.e. celebarating Prince in my own way - . But it's too much work - I'd rather just enjoy life instead. . At this point, I'm asking myself, why am I posting this here? - Am I a Prince fan, or a moaner??? I think it's cathatric and also good to know that I'm not alone. . It's reassuring to know that others feel that it's time to move on... and come back if something happens. . Peace - Out [Edited 10/2/24 6:51am] | |
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I think... I've just made my peace with the idea that there will be loads of Prince music that I will not hear during my lifetime. He just made so much stuff! And with the current pace of official releases being glacial at best, and his diehard fanbase getting older too... yeah it's a bit of a downer but I'm okay with it.
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Not even a year has passed since the last SDE...
Depending on how you count, there have been 11 posthumous releases on various labels, not counting singles
https://goldiesparade.co....ce-albums/
That is actually quite a lot, and probably the same holds true now for such "legacy/SDE releases" than back in the day for the WB releases - there can be too much of a good thing.
It is probably a game of diminishing returns if you release more than one album every 1-2 years - so yes, while I would like to have as much unreleased Prince music as possible, I don't think we have gotten a bad deal so far
But yes, I would like to have more music, and rather a ATWIAD / Parade era release than a PR one - but that is just me... | |
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I like the way you think! "Whatever skin we're in
we all need 2 b friends" | |
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