https://people.com/sheila...ad-8684623

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"So we get the song 'Bad' from Michael and we're here at Paisley [Park]. And Prince is like, 'Wait a minute.' He said, 'Michael wants me to sing this song with him.' So he played it for us. He goes, 'Your butt is mine...' He said, 'What?! Your butt is mine?' And he just walked away, he said, 'Uh, uh.'"

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As Sheila E. now recalls, Prince's consideration of "Bad" didn't end there, as she joined him to "re-record" the song at his iconic Paisley Park home studio in Minnesota. "It was so funky, it was so amazing. It was an incredible rendition of what it should've been," she said on The Jason Show. "And then after we recorded it, we're like, 'Oh my God, we can't wait for Michael to hear it.'"

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But, for whatever reason, Prince didn't wish to. "Then Prince went like this," she said, signifying him pushing a button. "And he erased the whole thing. Right there."

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As audience members gasped during her TV appearance, the "A Love Bizarre" singer clarified that re-recording songs wasn't all that uncommon with Prince and his fellow musicians. "Oh yeah, it was fun. We did that all the time, though. I can name so many songs that we re-recorded that was sent to us. Ahhh. That's another show."

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BlueShakooo said:

"Bad" was released on August 31, 1987. "Paisley Park" officially opened on September 11, 1987. So she remembers incorrectly where it happened.

She does seem be confused. Bad wass llkely recorded 85 or 86...it was someone functional in May of 1987...but even that is WAY too late. The version send to Prince was likely different as it was have lent itself to being a duet.

He may have also redone it after it wass releassed....

she has also said she met Prince in 77 or 78...but it was much more likely 1979.



Edit: correcte 1980 to 1979 as when she met him.

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BlueShakooo said:

"Bad" was released on August 31, 1987. "Paisley Park" officially opened on September 11, 1987. So she remembers incorrectly where it happened.

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https://princevault.com/i...elody_Cool

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It is well known that Prince started using PPS long before its official opening. Melody Cool is one of the first songs recorded there, on 9 July 1987.

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Considering that "Bad" was released in late August, that means it is possible. However, the music video for "Bad" was recorded in November/December 1986, so it seems extremely unlikely that MJ sent Prince the track in July 1987.

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So yeah, this does appear to be yet another senior moment from Sheila E., who IIRC in the past has claimed that she recorded her second album at PP, despite the complex not having been built at the time.

bizzie said:

BlueShakooo said:

"Bad" was released on August 31, 1987. "Paisley Park" officially opened on September 11, 1987. So she remembers incorrectly where it happened.

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https://princevault.com/i...elody_Cool

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It is well known that Prince started using PPS long before its official opening. Melody Cool is one of the first songs recorded there, on 9 July 1987.

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Considering that "Bad" was released in late August, that means it is possible. However, the music video for "Bad" was recorded in November/December 1986, so it seems extremely unlikely that MJ sent Prince the track in July 1987.

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So yeah, this does appear to be yet another senior moment from Sheila E., who IIRC in the past has claimed that she recorded her second album at PP, despite the complex not having been built at the time.

yeah it was likely at Sunset Sound...

bizzie said:

BlueShakooo said:

"Bad" was released on August 31, 1987. "Paisley Park" officially opened on September 11, 1987. So she remembers incorrectly where it happened.

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https://princevault.com/i...elody_Cool space waves

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It is well known that Prince started using PPS long before its official opening. Melody Cool is one of the first songs recorded there, on 9 July 1987.

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Considering that "Bad" was released in late August, that means it is possible. However, the music video for "Bad" was recorded in November/December 1986, so it seems extremely unlikely that MJ sent Prince the track in July 1987.

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So yeah, this does appear to be yet another senior moment from Sheila E., who IIRC in the past has claimed that she recorded her second album at PP, despite the complex not having been built at the time.

I enjoyed reading about Prince and Michael Jackson's recording history, which is quite fascinating.

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Get that Coutiek BOT out of here again please, thank you!

bizzie said:

So yeah, this does appear to be yet another senior moment from Sheila E., who IIRC in the past has claimed that she recorded her second album at PP, despite the complex not having been built at the time.

In her defense, that was 37-38 years ago. Most of us probably can't remember what we ate last week. But if she doesn't have any notes (like Susan, Eric, etc.), I guess she should just refrain from giving too many details in her stories. I just hope she's not completely making up stuff.

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BlueShakooo said:

"Bad" was released on August 31, 1987. "Paisley Park" officially opened on September 11, 1987. So she remembers incorrectly where it happened.

Is it the time/date stamp that matters, or the actual event itself? Paisley's official opening date or whether it happened at Sunset (or Sigma, for that matter) doesn't seem to be the point. I hope there's another collaborator who remembers hearing it...and that he faked pushing the button, .

Some of u folks get stuck in the weeds at the drop of a hat.

Who gives a shit if she was off on the dates?

Gooddoctor23 said:

Some of u folks get stuck in the weeds at the drop of a hat.

Who gives a shit if she was off on the dates?

I know right ?

Gooddoctor23 said:

Some of u folks get stuck in the weeds at the drop of a hat.

Who gives a shit if she was off on the dates?

Some people are just so hellbent on hating Sheila for whatever reason they will jump on anything she says

double post.

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Gooddoctor23 said:

Some of u folks get stuck in the weeds at the drop of a hat.

Who gives a shit if she was off on the dates?

Because if she's wrong about the dates and locations, maybe (just maybe) she's also wrong about the rest of the story?

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olb99 said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

Some of u folks get stuck in the weeds at the drop of a hat.

Who gives a shit if she was off on the dates?

Because maybe (just maybe) if she's wrong about the dates and locations, maybe she's also wrong about the rest of the story?

So if u think she is lying........just say so.

I don't. As I said above, we're talking about events from 37-38 years ago and she apparently doesn't keep written notes (?) of what she did with Prince. If her memory is fuzzy about dates and locations, why wouldn't it be fuzzy about the rest as well? Did Prince really delete the recording or was he just joking about doing it? Was it a studio recording or just a rehearsal (i.e. they were just goofing around)? Was it even "Bad" they played?

I mean, I've heard people telling anecdotes and being wrong about them, because it was something from 30 years before. They were not lying, just remembering things incorrectly. Or maybe embellishing things a little? Is that lying? I don't know.

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olb99 said:

I don't. As I said above, we're talking about events from 37-38 years ago and she apparently doesn't keep written notes (?) of what she did with Prince. If her memory is fuzzy about dates and locations, why wouldn't it be fuzzy about the rest as well? Did Prince really delete the recording or was he just joking about doing it? Was it a studio recording or just a rehearsal (i.e. they were just goofing around)? Was it even "Bad" they played?

I mean, I've heard people telling anecdotes and being wrong about them, because it was something from 30 years before. They were not lying, just remembering things incorrectly. Or maybe embellishing things a little? Is that lying? I don't know.

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We could list hundreds of different subjects/events from Prince's life that are remembered totally differently by those who were around him at the time. There are so much not just unclear, but downright contradicting info out there that it's an increasing challenge to avoid hurting someone's ego with questions when talking to these people, but with polite investigation, some things can be cleared. What I find most challenging though is when people deliberately talk bs just because they assume „protecting the mysteries” is how they should protect Prince's legacy.

The error could be mostly by us and all there that is her's is an error in the initial location. It is possible that people here are conflating two separate events at two different times:

1 The initial offer by MJ to do a Bad duet: Perhaps she got the location wrong but we know the offer was made by MJ and rejected by Prince.

2 There is no reason to assume the recording and its immediate deletion were made before the rejection. That is not what the article says. It says:

"Prince's consideration of "Bad" didn't end there [i.e. at the rejection], as she joined him to "re-record" the song at his iconic Paisley Park home studio in Minnesota [therefore after the rejection]. "It was so funky, it was so amazing. It was an incredible rendition of what it should've been," she said on The Jason Show. And then after we recorded it, we're like, 'Oh my God, we can't wait for Michael to hear it.' But, for whatever reason, Prince didn't wish to. "Then Prince went like this," she said, signifying him pushing a button. "And he erased the whole thing. Right there."

This means the recording could have been made later and at Paisley Park. It did not have to be made before Prince's rejection and Sheila hints that it was afterwards.

So we have a debate about recording dates and a story between two individuals who are dead. So this debate and any stories about this and that can go on for ages, because either person is not here to debate it.

SolaceAHA said:

So we have a debate about recording dates and a story between two individuals who are dead. So this debate and any stories about this and that can go on for ages, because either person is not here to debate it.

No, it is worse than that: We have living people who want to find anything to disagree with Sheila E about. She is also alive and was involved with the recording and all that people can do is point out is that the original rejection of the MJ duet offer by Prince was likely made before Paisley Park was opened. This does not allow for Sheila E forgetting that the original offer may have been made before Paisley Park but remembering where the recording was made. It does not consider that perhaps this previously disclosed duet offer could have been for a later remix release rather than for the bad release. None of this potential confusion indicates when or where the recording was made and deleted. Here only the alive people who were actually involved would know.

P.S. There is no point in MJ debating this, even if he was alive, because MJ was not there when the recording was made.

IanRG said:

SolaceAHA said:

So we have a debate about recording dates and a story between two individuals who are dead. So this debate and any stories about this and that can go on for ages, because either person is not here to debate it.

No, it is worse than that: We have living people who want to find anything to disagree with Sheila E about. She is also alive and was involved with the recording and all that people can do is point out is that the original rejection of the MJ duet offer by Prince was likely made before Paisley Park was opened. This does not allow for Sheila E forgetting that the original offer may have been made before Paisley Park but remembering where the recording was made. It does not consider that perhaps this previously disclosed duet offer could have been for a later remix release rather than for the bad release. None of this potential confusion indicates when or where the recording was made and deleted. Here only the alive people who were actually involved would know.

P.S. There is no point in MJ debating this, even if he was alive, because MJ was not there when the recording was made.

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Oh please, get over yourself. You pretend that your scenario is reasonable, despite the fact that the video for "Bad" was recorded in late 1986, and that the offer for a duet was CLEARLY made long before that. Plenty of people have talked about that duet, and no one ever pretended that this was done very late for a maxi-single or so.

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Go on, give us an example of a maxi-single from Bad that contained a duet version instead of remixes of the album track.

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You know damn well that Sheila's claim of this happening at PP is horseshit, and this isn't the first time she's messed up her timelines. (IIRC she once claimed she recorded her second album at PP -- which didn't exist at that time) Why are you so desperate to defend her that you're imagining a scenario that is completely unrealistic and based on literally zero evidence?

IanRG said:

The error could be mostly by us and all there that is her's is an error in the initial location. It is possible that people here are conflating two separate events at two different times:

1 The initial offer by MJ to do a Bad duet: Perhaps she got the location wrong but we know the offer was made by MJ and rejected by Prince.

2 There is no reason to assume the recording and its immediate deletion were made before the rejection. That is not what the article says. It says:

"Prince's consideration of "Bad" didn't end there [i.e. at the rejection], as she joined him to "re-record" the song at his iconic Paisley Park home studio in Minnesota [therefore after the rejection]. "It was so funky, it was so amazing. It was an incredible rendition of what it should've been," she said on The Jason Show. And then after we recorded it, we're like, 'Oh my God, we can't wait for Michael to hear it.' But, for whatever reason, Prince didn't wish to. "Then Prince went like this," she said, signifying him pushing a button. "And he erased the whole thing. Right there."

This means the recording could have been made later and at Paisley Park. It did not have to be made before Prince's rejection and Sheila hints that it was afterwards.

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LOL. Yeah sure, Prince got a demo from MJ and rejected the offer for a duet and then WAITED A WHOLE YEAR to record his own version. The offer from MJ was in late Summer 1986. PP didn't open until June 1987.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

RODSERLING said:

This is "Wally", all over again.

FrankieCoco1 said:

RODSERLING said:

Prince Tenderoni : That song was supposed to be recorded to be proposed for MJ. Prince sent Sheila E in person to give him the song, circa 1986. He listened to it in its studio, and said to Sheila E " Prince Tenderoni 's gonna be my lead single. I want it on my new album Quincy". Quincy frowned. He already rejected Streetwalker, because to his ears, Another Part of me was better. He was about to give up on Smooth Criminal... Then, suddenly, MJ erased the song and said to Sheila E " Love is my message. Prince Tenderoni is not my message " And that's about all. Prince gave the song to Bobby Brown, Prince released SOTT, with the success we all know, which lead to the creation of Prince.org, and about 666 topics about " What if Emancipation were on 1 CD"? [Edited 8/19/24 18:06pm]

I think it's going to be a blast.