LILpoundCAKE said:

If you don't build it they won't come.

bozojones said:

WhenFansCry said:

Londell has already explained difficulties around releases. People who refuse to listen and continue to moan are complete idiots (yes, it is that simple).

Yeah, and the difficulties are entirely self-inflicted by Londell and the estate. He's choosing to hold everything up for stupid arbitrary reasons.

If there are any idiots here, it's the people who keep believing that Londell is a reliable and honest man even after he keeps proving y'all wrong.

Yeah that, AND, nobody believes Londell. He's full of shit.

WhenFansCry said:

Londell has already explained difficulties around releases. People who refuse to listen and continue to moan are complete idiots (yes, it is that simple).

Funny how these "difficulties" only arose after Londell took over.

dustoff said:

WhenFansCry said:

Londell has already explained difficulties around releases. People who refuse to listen and continue to moan are complete idiots (yes, it is that simple).

Funny how these "difficulties" only arose after Londell took over.

EXACT

dustoff said:

DevotedPuppy said:

I'll say it again, since they asked:

I won't even consider going to Celebration unless participation/performances are confirmed by Apollonia 6, Jill Jones, The Time, and The Revolution. (As a completely greedy request, also Stokely, Sheila E, Tamar, and Chaka Kahn)

These artists appear to be out and about and still working, so whoever needs to swallow their pride in the Prince camp -- DO IT -- and remember the fans (who've likely made you a lot of money over the years).

I don't get the impression from any of these acts that they wouldn't be involved in some capacity if approached with respect and appreciation for what they've contributed to Prince fandom. (SPOILER: apologies for past grievences might be in order, and starting with an apology sure would help the doors to communication open much wider.)

My hopes are not high, though, so I figure I'll just read about Celebration as I have every other year.

tant va la cruche à l’eau qu’à la fin elle se casse

especially when it is full with Purple Rain...

PR will always remain definitive to new fans looking to experience the legend for the very first time.

For the rest of us, they need to stfu and stop with the constant PR inundation, it's too much.

I feel like D&P SDE proved the value of them picking a less "brand" project. D&P had zero legacy and was talked about by no one other than to bash "Jughead" and "following trends." Now, the new fans treat it like it was a substantial project of value. Yep, his cheeseball trend-following Tony M. showcase is now upheld as some kind of landmark watershed moment in the canon.

If it can happen for as lame of an LP as D&P it can be done for one of his 30 other superior albums,

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This Estate is 100% useless.

pdiddy2011 said:

I'll say it again, since they asked:

I won't even consider going to Celebration unless participation/performances are confirmed by Apollonia 6, Jill Jones, The Time, and The Revolution. (As a completely greedy request, also Stokely, Sheila E, Tamar, and Chaka Kahn)

These artists appear to be out and about and still working, so whoever needs to swallow their pride in the Prince camp -- DO IT -- and remember the fans (who've likely made you a lot of money over the years).

I don't get the impression from any of these acts that they wouldn't be involved in some capacity if approached with respect and appreciation for what they've contributed to Prince fandom. (SPOILER: apologies for past grievences might be in order, and starting with an apology sure would help the doors to communication open much wider.)

My hopes are not high, though, so I figure I'll just read about Celebration as I have every other year.

I feel like the only hope for the Estate is if fans united together to boycott "Celebration".

It's pretty clear in their actions of the past couple years their pop-up shop-style priorities are the stupid "Celebration". They dgaf about selling new content, putting out new releases, they're more worried about small potatoes income from the gate$ at $elebration.

Unfortunately unity within the community has never been a thing, so is likely but a mere pipedream. More likely those with $$ continue the yearly tradition of running dance contests over snippets of unreleased material from the Vault.

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WhenFansCry said:

Londell has already explained difficulties around releases. People who refuse to listen and continue to moan are complete idiots (yes, it is that simple).

lol........b.s.

Gooddoctor23 said:

WhenFansCry said:

Londell has already explained difficulties around releases. People who refuse to listen and continue to moan are complete idiots (yes, it is that simple).

lol........b.s.

Londell is the main problem.....we need to protect the Prince's legacy but this is not the way used by Londell...everywhere Londell had a management and leadership position, he systematically created problems and never solved anything...look at the Estate of MJ, Tupac or Malcom X where he worked, each time he left a field of ruin behind him, he is definitely not the man for the job, he joined with Spicer in the management of the estate by mischief , Prince is dead, he left no will, all this context allowed these men hungry for power and money and pride to take control, I would like them to prove their competence but I think that will never be the case, they are destroying the domain, thanks also to certain heirs even more incapable, Prince was an exception in this Nelson family, he knew it!

[Edited 7/31/24 0:50am]

love2thenines2003 said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

lol........b.s.

Londell is the main problem.....we need to protect the Prince's legacy but this is not the way used by Londell...everywhere Londell had a management and leadership position, he systematically created problems and never solved anything...look at the Estate of MJ, Tupac or Malcom X where he worked, each time he left a field of ruin behind him, he is definitely not the man for the job, he joined with Spicer in the management of the estate by mischief , Prince is dead, he left no will, all this context allowed these men hungry for power and money and pride to take control, I would like them to prove their competence but I think that will never be the case, they are destroying the domain, thanks also to certain heirs even more incapable, Prince was an exception in this Nelson family, he knew it!

[Edited 7/31/24 0:50am]

They sound like vultures...

love2thenines2003 said:

fredmagnus said:

love2thenines2003 said:

Londell is the main problem.....we need to protect the Prince's legacy but this is not the way used by Londell...everywhere Londell had a management and leadership position, he systematically created problems and never solved anything...look at the Estate of MJ, Tupac or Malcom X where he worked, each time he left a field of ruin behind him, he is definitely not the man for the job, he joined with Spicer in the management of the estate by mischief , Prince is dead, he left no will, all this context allowed these men hungry for power and money and pride to take control, I would like them to prove their competence but I think that will never be the case, they are destroying the domain, thanks also to certain heirs even more incapable, Prince was an exception in this Nelson family, he knew it!

[Edited 7/31/24 0:50am]

He's like a plague all over the estates he's messed up with so far...

My main criticism is not the lack of recurring project releases linked to unreleased material, I can understand wanting to take time to organize things well but it is the amateur side of their work, the systematic sabotage of everything, the total contempt for the fans and first of all this silence and this lack of respect for the fans, having education and explaining things is a minimum, explaining the problems would make the fans more patient and less frustrated, unfortunately nothing that but getting worse and worse!

MIRvmn1 said:

Londell probably couldn't even run a hotdog stand without messing things up

love2thenines2003 said:

fredmagnus said:

love2thenines2003 said: He's like a plague all over the estates he's messed up with so far...

My main criticism is not the lack of recurring project releases linked to unreleased material, I can understand wanting to take time to organize things well but it is the amateur side of their work, the systematic sabotage of everything, the total contempt for the fans and first of all this silence and this lack of respect for the fans, having education and explaining things is a minimum, explaining the problems would make the fans more patient and less frustrated, unfortunately nothing that but getting worse and worse!

I honestly don't even think they're spending their time organizing anything. And even if they were, there's a whole Parade SDE in the can that they could release to buy themselves more time, but obviously we won't be seeing that anytime soon because they'd rather rehash the same Purple Rain releases for the next year straight.

bozojones said:

love2thenines2003 said:

My main criticism is not the lack of recurring project releases linked to unreleased material, I can understand wanting to take time to organize things well but it is the amateur side of their work, the systematic sabotage of everything, the total contempt for the fans and first of all this silence and this lack of respect for the fans, having education and explaining things is a minimum, explaining the problems would make the fans more patient and less frustrated, unfortunately nothing that but getting worse and worse!

I honestly don't even think they're spending their time organizing anything. And even if they were, there's a whole Parade SDE in the can that they could release to buy themselves more time, but obviously we won't be seeing that anytime soon because they'd rather rehash the same Purple Rain releases for the next year straight.

I do not believe that has ever been confirmed.

rap said:

bozojones said:

I honestly don't even think they're spending their time organizing anything. And even if they were, there's a whole Parade SDE in the can that they could release to buy themselves more time, but obviously we won't be seeing that anytime soon because they'd rather rehash the same Purple Rain releases for the next year straight.

I do not believe that has ever been confirmed.

Exact ...never confirmed....this was just a project release at the time under Comerica era & about the new management whatever will be the SDE project , they are unable to finalize anything.....D&P SDE was finalized 95% by Comerica/Howe....so i cant imagine Parade SDE being in the Vault waiting for his release!

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MIRvmn1 said:

Londell probably couldn't even run a hotdog stand without messing things up

WhisperingDandelions said:

PR will always remain definitive to new fans looking to experience the legend for the very first time.

For the rest of us, they need to stfu and stop with the constant PR inundation, it's too much.

I feel like D&P SDE proved the value of them picking a less "brand" project. D&P had zero legacy and was talked about by no one other than to bash "Jughead" and "following trends." Now, the new fans treat it like it was a substantial project of value. Yep, his cheeseball trend-following Tony M. showcase is now upheld as some kind of landmark watershed moment in the canon.

If it can happen for as lame of an LP as D&P it can be done for one of his 30 other superior albums,

[Edited 7/30/24 21:20pm]

you're wrong about that one I believe.

it was in 1991 Prince's big comeback with that couple of big hit singles.

most of all the other 30 albums have less to no impact concerning making (big) money.

maybe Parade because of the famous "Kiss" hit, but they can not ditch the unpopular movie called UTCM for that project, so probably this release is therefor doubtful imho, let's hope i'm dead wrong, because I really want that one first of all.

-

this is how it went just until now; PR re-release first, then some one-off try-outs with unknown vault releases, then 1999, then SOTT, the W2A (flop), plus obviously D&P...

ALL SDE's alone in order of popularity and possibility of cashing in.

next could be anything if it wasn't for the fuck-up of the 40th anniversary of PR (so far), but who knows what's in the running, i have little hopes, today is first of August...

MIRvmn1 said:

I guess we have to wait and see. I doubt there will be any release this year if there's no announcement this month.

Don't expect something....anyway beyond the rights problem with Netflix....first the new management at the Estate is too much incompetent....second...they made more money with merchandising of purple tshirts,socks sold etc than any SDE. third ..wherever Mc Millan has worked or passed by > MJ/MALCOM X/2PAC Estate ,

when he is gone he left the Estate like a total mess....he is more than a manager for Prince Estate so ...really...i'd like to be positive but facts are facts......PRINCE ESTATE for us FANS who love Music is dead ....but hey if you like purple socks ...Lavande fragrance don't miss the opportunity to visit P.Park each year in the summer at the celebration , paying big money to listen some unreleased stuff in bad conditions eating some bad quality sandwishes....the future is here !!

If Primary Wave made overtures to Tyka and bought that remaining 2%, would that give them a controlling interest?

love2thenines2003 said:

MIRvmn1 said:

I guess we have to wait and see. I doubt there will be any release this year if there's no announcement this month.

Don't expect something....anyway beyond the rights problem with Netflix....first the new management at the Estate is too much incompetent....second...they made more money with merchandising of purple tshirts,socks sold etc than any SDE. third ..wherever Mc Millan has worked or passed by > MJ/MALCOM X/2PAC Estate ,

when he is gone he left the Estate like a total mess....he is more than a manager for Prince Estate so ...really...i'd like to be positive but facts are facts......PRINCE ESTATE for us FANS who love Music is dead ....but hey if you like purple socks ...Lavande fragrance don't miss the opportunity to visit P.Park each year in the summer at the celebration , paying big money to listen some unreleased stuff in bad conditions eating some bad quality sandwishes....the future is here !!

the positive to take from this, i think, is that londell has moved on from 3 estates already.

so let's hope he'll find another easy meal ticket and move on from prince's estate as well.

although something tells me he is glued to his seat.