LILpoundCAKE said:

bozojones said:

BIG YEAR!

HUGHE YEAR!!

ALL GASS NO BREAKS.

Who would have thought we would miss the last year USB key & its low bitrate 2 songs ?

We thought it couldn't be worse but they managed to do even worse than this...by offering nothing at all this year.

I guess that's some kind of answer to the fans since everyone complained about it last year.

In 2024, we have nothing to complain about since we haven't had anything

2024, end of June nearly.

What we know, might get, and have for now;

- no Prince's birthday special release or remembrance,

- Silver Tongue (different version, not sure if this was planned),

- Andrea's PR book,

- a few pre-production songs from the upcoming PR musical (only heard by those who attended Celebration'24)

- 10 new songs (we know of excist, but not heard yet, no plans yet to release them),

- (soon) the 'Purple Rain' DOLBY ATMOS

Is that it?

What do I forget?

lustmealways said:

What could've happened this summer:

Combination PR SDE + PR40 Festivities + Celebration + Netflix Doc + New Merchandise + hot summer = bring Prince back into the public consciousness stronger than ever

What happened this summer:

Nothing

Good news....call your good record store & maybe u will get an info (?) about what is coming this year (planning of releases) ...the bad news & this is from the persistent infos heard here & there ...Netflix & The Estate are going to be in lawsuits to come....this is a very bad news for a lot of things (PR SDE project included if this one see the light of day one day ?)....so we will see what the surprise will be...the bad one or the good one ?

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purplethunder3121 said:

LILpoundCAKE said:

HUGHE YEAR!!

ALL GASS NO BREAKS.

bonnie184 said:

Vannormal said:

Is that it?

What do I forget?

The slightly different mix of "United States Of Division".

databank said:

bonnie184 said:

I believe Spicer said there will be something releesed in 2024 in regards to the movie and the music.

Thanks for explaining. I guess this new release (with the 2015 remaster) settles the debate: https://store.prince.com/...0g?cp=null Whatever we get this year (if anything) won't be a PR SDE, which is sensible from the Estate's part TBH.

Nothing at all will be released this year. I mean no vault music.

This is because of the Netflix mess.

The guys from Netflix have been quite nice until then and allowed a few releases like D&P last year but this era is over.

The Estate holding back their documentary indefinitely has put an end to any compromise.

We won't have any new music for a long time.

We're left with what we have : hundreds of gems that we can enjoy every day.

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[Edited 6/26/24 2:31am]

fredmagnus said:

so what's the hold up or gripe with the netflix docu anyway? they don't think it shows prince
in a good enough light? or are there other shenanigans?

what is the status of the documentary at this point? is it done? or do they still need access to
more material, which the current estate is unwilling to allow?

I also fail to see how a documentary needs to have full rights to the entire vault and can hold
back releases like this. it's not like the documentary is going to issue a set of vaul releases in
tandem with the eposides as they air, right?

so why this rediculous contract with such stipulations? who would even sign off on that? in the
long history of bad decisions made at paisley park (also under prince) this has to be one of the
worst ones of them all.

And yet peo;le want Howe and that Spotify guy back

LILpoundCAKE said:

so what's the hold up or gripe with the netflix docu anyway? they don't think it shows prince
in a good enough light? or are there other shenanigans?

what is the status of the documentary at this point? is it done? or do they still need access to
more material, which the current estate is unwilling to allow?

I also fail to see how a documentary needs to have full rights to the entire vault and can hold
back releases like this. it's not like the documentary is going to issue a set of vaul releases in
tandem with the eposides as they air, right?

so why this rediculous contract with such stipulations? who would even sign off on that? in the
long history of bad decisions made at paisley park (also under prince) this has to be one of the
worst ones of them all.

who TF knows

its all just conjecture at this part

no real news makes it out the estate in between releases or news of new pyjamas or underwear or whatever

so the attitude to take is just... it will come when it comes.

LILpoundCAKE said:

so what's the hold up or gripe with the netflix docu anyway? they don't think it shows prince
in a good enough light? or are there other shenanigans?

what is the status of the documentary at this point? is it done? or do they still need access to
more material, which the current estate is unwilling to allow?

I also fail to see how a documentary needs to have full rights to the entire vault and can hold
back releases like this. it's not like the documentary is going to issue a set of vaul releases in
tandem with the eposides as they air, right?

so why this rediculous contract with such stipulations? who would even sign off on that? in the
long history of bad decisions made at paisley park (also under prince) this has to be one of the
worst ones of them all.

The doc is done and ready to go but doesn't portray Prince the way the Estate wants. So the estate has used his veto power to prevent the doc from being released and it has been put on ice until now since Netflix refuses to change or edit anything.

I agree it was a very bad deal because Netflix made such an offer that the previous management team agreed to lose control over many things. I see it like a timebomb programmed by Comerica.

It's been said that only the unrealeased video material is hold by the contract but it seems it has an impact on the audio Vault releases somehow maybe because the current Estate doesn't want to take the risk to release a box set without any video content on it. This part remains unclear though.

A lawsuit is more than likely at this point and i can't see how this timebomb can be defused now. We're talking here about several years without any new music.

[Edited 6/26/24 6:01am]

JorisE73 said:

And yet peo;le want Howe and that Spotify guy back

Michael Howe has nothing to do with this deal.

Except he was the Vault archivist at the time the contract was signed by Comerica, Troy Carter and Co. He didn't have any call on this.

fredmagnus said:

fredmagnus said:

MIRvmn1 said:

fredmagnus said:

It's most likely only the unreleased video material cuz they had no problems with releasing two vault songs this year (United and Silver Tongue Alternate mix). They should focus on unreleased albums instead of SDEs until the Netflix/documentary issues have been solved. [Edited 6/26/24 5:30am]

I agree. Several sources have confirmed only the video was restricted.

This said, obviously the new team hasn't bothered to release any audio only set. Including that Vault series allegedly ready to go.

The SDE sales being quite low maybe they feel it's not worth the while since it would be worse without any video content. Or maybe Sony & Warners are not interested in producing audio only projects.

The recent Musicology birthday campaign showed they didn't want to part with any real outake (not talking here about alternate mixes).

So whether the audio is restricted or not by this contract, that Netflix deal has huge consequences on the whole Estate release plan.

[Edited 6/26/24 6:52am]

fredmagnus said:

JorisE73 said:

And yet peo;le want Howe and that Spotify guy back

Michael Howe has nothing to do with this deal.

Except he was the Vault archivist at the time the contract was signed by Comerica, Troy Carter and Co. He didn't have any call on this.

I know, it was advised by Troy Carter. It was more that Howe hasn't done much of relevance either instead of having people mess with the recodings, so I'm glad he's out.

fredmagnus said:

MIRvmn1 said:

fredmagnus said: It's most likely only the unreleased video material cuz they had no problems with releasing two vault songs this year (United and Silver Tongue Alternate mix). They should focus on unreleased albums instead of SDEs until the Netflix/documentary issues have been solved. [Edited 6/26/24 5:30am]

I agree. Several sources have confirmed only the video was restricted.

This said, obviously the new team hasn't bothered to release any audio only set. Including that Vault series allegedly ready to go.

The SDE sales being quite low maybe they feel it's not worth the while since it would be worse without any video content. Or maybe Sony & Warners are not interested in producing audio only projects.

The recent Musicology birthday campaign showed they didn't want to part with any real outake (not talking here about alternate mixes).

So whether the audio is restricted or not by this contract, that Netflix deal has huge consequences on the whole Estate release plan.

[Edited 6/26/24 6:52am]

It's mindblowing how anyone sane could sign off on a deal that would give some thrid party so much power. Especially after all those gossipy garbage music docs they release on there.
They would hav been better off with HBO Max (WB owned so maybe they could have provided any footage the Estate doesn't have)

JorisE73 said:

fredmagnus said:

MIRvmn1 said:

fredmagnus said:

The doc is done and ready to go but doesn't portray Prince the way the Estate wants. So the estate has used his veto power to prevent the doc from being released and it has been put on ice until now since Netflix refuses to change or edit anything.

I agree it was a very bad deal because Netflix made such an offer that the previous management team agreed to lose control over many things. I see it like a timebomb programmed by Comerica.

It's said that only the unrealeased video material is hold by the contract but it seems it has an impact on the audio Vault releases somehow maybe because the current Estate doesn't want to take the risk to release a box set without any video content on it. This part remains unclear though.

A lawsuit is more than likely at this point and i can't see how this timebomb can be defused now. We're talking here about several years without any new music.

[Edited 6/26/24 5:12am]

It's most likely only the unreleased video material cuz they had no problems with releasing two vault songs this year (United and Silver Tongue Alternate mix). They should focus on unreleased albums instead of SDEs until the Netflix/documentary issues have been solved. [Edited 6/26/24 5:30am]

What?

Isn't the WB Vault a completely different legal entity than the NPG Vault? They could release box sets of whatever they want from the NPG era tomorrow if they wanted, they just choose not to because they'd rather attempt to hit the mainstream with the "name brand" WB releases.

fredmagnus said:

JorisE73 said:

It's mindblowing how anyone sane could sign off on a deal that would give some thrid party so much power. Especially after all those gossipy garbage music docs they release on there.
They would hav been better off with HBO Max (WB owned so maybe they could have provided any footage the Estate doesn't have)

I agree. It was bound to fall into the gossips & woman category and that's a shame when it should only be about music. It seems the dozens of millions they offered (some say up to 60 millions) have made their heads spin. [Edited 6/26/24 8:31am]

Damn. Isn't it a six part series? so that would mean 10 million per episode to the Estate.

olb99 said:

Vannormal said:

I can still say so many bad words about how it all is handled so far... but it's not going to help anything or anyone. Right?

I understand what you mean. It's frustrating to keep complaining (as I do). But I'm pretty sure not saying anything won't help either. Being silent gives the wrong signal.

We should vote with our wallet, as Neversin keeps saying. I already do. So I don't buy merchandising, but I buy official releases. The problem is that there are so few of them. So it only gets you so far.

I understand why the current Estate is organizing those "exclusive listening sessions". But this is not the way to go to curate Prince's legacy. If it's a temporary experiment, while waiting for (legal?) problems to be solved, then fine. Otherwise, it's misguided.-

I also only buy official releases. No bedsheets, no rubber boots, no candles, no hoodies, no t-shirts, no floral lined rain jackets, no floral compact umbrella, no call & response purple paisley trench, no paisley slides, no umbrellas, wine glasses, no water bottle, no socks, no PR puzzle, no Third-Eye glasses, no ceramic mugs, no posters, calendars, no silk scarfs, no pins, no blankets, no sticker sheet, no button pin set, no travel cup, no tote bags, no pillows, no duvet covers, no magnets, no slipmats, no hats, no necklaces, no pop sockets, no etched water glasses, no earrings, no rings, no guitar replicas, no Prince-on-a-bike-statues, and no beanies.

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Vannormal said:

olb99 said:

I understand what you mean. It's frustrating to keep complaining (as I do). But I'm pretty sure not saying anything won't help either. Being silent gives the wrong signal.

We should vote with our wallet, as Neversin keeps saying. I already do. So I don't buy merchandising, but I buy official releases. The problem is that there are so few of them. So it only gets you so far.

I understand why the current Estate is organizing those "exclusive listening sessions". But this is not the way to go to curate Prince's legacy. If it's a temporary experiment, while waiting for (legal?) problems to be solved, then fine. Otherwise, it's misguided.-

I also only buy official releases. No bedsheets, no rubber boots, no candles, no hoodies, no t-shirts, no floral lined rain jackets, no floral compact umbrella, no call & response purple paisley trench, no paisley slides, no umbrellas, wine glasses, no water bottle, no socks, no PR puzzle, no Third-Eye glasses, no ceramic mugs, no posters, calendars, no silk scarfs, no pins, no blankets, no sticker sheet, no button pin set, no travel cup, no tote bags, no pillows, no duvet covers, no magnets, no slipmats, no hats, no necklaces, no pop sockets, no etched water glasses, no earrings, no rings, no guitar replicas, no Prince-on-a-bike-statues, and no beanies.

[Edited 6/27/24 5:56am]

LOL! For a few seconds I didn't understand what you meant and thought they were now selling
scale models of Prince on his bicycle, riding through stadions as he did a few times in his last few
years.

And you know what, part of my mind went 'oh wait, that could be an interesting gift to myself'

trickyjoe7777 said:

Exclusive VIP listening party of unreleased Prince music to kick off the Celebration: - Purple Rain (piano demo) - Friction (Jamie Starr album) - All the King's Horses (w/ strings) - Calabama - Fat Jazz (1977 jazz trio jam) - And God Created Woman (demo) - Let's Go Crazy (Prince only demo)

This has already been circulating in a husney boot for years

LILpoundCAKE said: