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Thread started 05/27/24 3:29am

funkbabyandthe
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who was princes greatest muse?

Vanity?
Jill jones?
Susannah?
Mayte?
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Reply #1 posted 05/27/24 4:01am

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Based on the artists he covered the most, I'd say James Brown, Sly Stone and George Clinton.
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Reply #2 posted 05/27/24 4:22am

Vannormal

His mother.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #3 posted 05/27/24 4:50am

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It's a difficult question to answer, because he's rarely commented on who his muses were for specific songs. I remember he did say on record that disc 2 of Emancipation was entirely dedicated to Mayte, so I guess we can assume she inspired most of those songs. Otherwise we're left to speculate based on who was around when he wrote a song, secondhand info from associates, who often have conflicting opinions, etc.

When it was revealed that Alan Leeds' liner notes for The Hits were largely based on Prince's own notes, it shed some light on various inspiriations of his. But that's assuming Prince was always up front and honest about such things, which he wasn't.

If we're speculating, they all had their high points. If Vanity inspired Wonderful Ass and The Beautiful Ones, well damn. If Susannah inspired Forever In My Life, and Adore, and IIWYG, well damn. If Anna Fantastic inspired Anna Stesia, Pink Cashmere, and Anna Waiting, well damn.

However, to my ears, no one inspired a song as open an honest as The Holy River, so I'll give it to Mayte.

If we're talking about other artists, I'd say Sly most consistently.


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Reply #4 posted 05/27/24 11:55am

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Definitely not Jill I know that much.

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Reply #5 posted 05/27/24 4:55pm

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Didn't he mention that Vanity was his primary muse (sometime after her death)? At any rate I would rank her #1 followed by Anna, Susannah/Wendy razz and then Mayte.

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Reply #6 posted 05/27/24 7:21pm

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God

His Mother

Susannah

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #7 posted 05/27/24 7:57pm

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I'm going Susannah based on "Adore" and "101" (tracking date for 101 lines up anyway),

or Mayte based on Emancipation's ballads.

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Reply #8 posted 05/28/24 3:30am

RODSERLING

Michael Jackson
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Reply #9 posted 05/28/24 3:43am

EnglishGent2

Whchever girl inspired, Work That Fat.

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Reply #10 posted 05/28/24 6:21am

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Vanity in my opinion...it seems she never got over him and neither did he...a lot of the women he dated kinda looked like her or is it just me?

Shockadelica, she must be a witch
She got your mind, body, and soul hitched
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Reply #11 posted 05/29/24 7:16am

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RODSERLING said:

Michael Jackson

WHAT!? nuts

Shockadelica, she must be a witch
She got your mind, body, and soul hitched
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Reply #12 posted 05/29/24 8:36am

7souls

Aunt Esther
Ancient Egyptians postulated 7 souls.
Top soul, and the first to leave at the moment of death, is Ren, the secret name...
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Reply #13 posted 05/29/24 12:42pm

TheTruth123

johnpiex said:

It's a difficult question to answer, because he's rarely commented on who his muses were for specific songs. I remember he did say on record that disc 2 of Emancipation was entirely dedicated to Mayte, so I guess we can assume she inspired most of those songs. Otherwise we're left to speculate based on who was around when he wrote a song, secondhand info from associates, who often have conflicting opinions, etc.

When it was revealed that Alan Leeds' liner notes for The Hits were largely based on Prince's own notes, it shed some light on various inspiriations of his. But that's assuming Prince was always up front and honest about such things, which he wasn't.

If we're speculating, they all had their high points. If Vanity inspired Wonderful Ass and The Beautiful Ones, well damn. If Susannah inspired Forever In My Life, and Adore, and IIWYG, well damn. If Anna Fantastic inspired Anna Stesia, Pink Cashmere, and Anna Waiting, well damn.

However, to my ears, no one inspired a song as open an honest as The Holy River, so I'll give it to Mayte.

If we're talking about other artists, I'd say Sly most consistently.


And then Prince did live after ther 1990s.

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Reply #14 posted 05/29/24 12:48pm

TheTruth123

His 2nd wife insrpired a few albums plus a Grammy-award-winning song, Bria Valente inspired him too then some say Andy Allo inspired 5 albums and some of the last years of his mysical life plus his afro. I think Judith Hill actually inspired him too with "Black is the New Black" album and working with MonoNeon. There are more, as always, post-1999.!

I think whoever waas around him inspired him in some way. The longer around him, the more you inspired. And even afterwards in some cases.

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Reply #15 posted 05/29/24 12:50pm

TheTruth123

But acutally i think people like Chaka Khan, Sly Stone, Joni Mitchell, etc were just as inspirational as those around him.

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Reply #16 posted 05/29/24 2:32pm

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EnglishGent2 said:

Whchever girl inspired, Work That Fat.

Rosie Gaines.

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Reply #17 posted 05/29/24 2:41pm

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Rosie influenced one album.

Id vote susannah personally. She was a muse, but collaborator too. Seemed like she turned prince onto new influences too. Mayte inspired some of his greatest ballads on emancipation, but i donthet the sense she was much of a collaborator. Vanity seemed to inspire a certain sexual energy and dysfunctional songs, so shes up there too lol

I dont think jb, sly, etc count as muses. They are inspirations.

This thread was inspired by a bbc radio 4 doc on artists muses though, and the idea that muses arent necessarily passive, they have often had input too. But also that they arent just romantic partners but could be family members too.
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Reply #18 posted 05/29/24 7:22pm

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Susannah a "collaborator"? Because she wrote some nursery rhymes for a two-minute track that she's still hocking merch for?


I feel like you're giving the lion's share of credit for stuff that Wendy & Lisa had already sparked. She's arguably a step above Mayte, but not by that much.

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Reply #19 posted 05/29/24 8:41pm

BlueShakooo

Susan Rogers and Peggy McCreary
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Reply #20 posted 05/29/24 10:01pm

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WhisperingDandelions said:

Susannah a "collaborator"? Because she wrote some nursery rhymes for a two-minute track that she's still hocking merch for?



I feel like you're giving the lion's share of credit for stuff that Wendy & Lisa had already sparked. She's arguably a step above Mayte, but not by that much.

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Wasnt crystal ball the song inspired by a painting that susannah hipped him to (or drew? I cant remember right now). Its stuff like that, the fact she was a partner who introduced him to new things. Not saying she was a collaborator like w+l, so maybe collaborator is too strong, but my impression is she had tastes and was into things that she could get him open to as well. Which gave her a bit of power. But maybe he borrowed something from say, mayte too. Eg wasnt his whole interest in middle eastern culture around that period (superficial maybe but hey) sparked by her?

Surprised no one said larry graham lol
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Reply #21 posted 05/29/24 10:22pm

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Fwiw susannah also had a writing credit on one of my favourite late period madonna songs, candy perfume girl. Shes not prolific lol, but she did help write one of the best sott songs so got to give that to her.
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Reply #22 posted 06/02/24 5:20am

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Susannah. She was there during his most prolific period & inspired some of his very best love songs... As well as some of his most raw break-up sad songs.
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Reply #23 posted 06/02/24 11:16am

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I would say Susannah, as well, based on the songs that were inspired by the good and bad parts of their relationship. Mayte comes in a close second...

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Reply #24 posted 06/02/24 12:03pm

funkbabyandthe
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for shes always in my hair, id give jill jones a special shout out

and for strange relationship, vanity needs some kind of muse award too

sheila must have inspired some songs, but i dont know which. tempted to say love bizarre, but idk if that was about her, even if it was with her.

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Reply #25 posted 06/03/24 4:39pm

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my baby draws pictures of sex... all over the wall in graphic detail

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Reply #26 posted 06/06/24 8:47am

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

Susannah a "collaborator"? Because she wrote some nursery rhymes for a two-minute track that she's still hocking merch for?


I feel like you're giving the lion's share of credit for stuff that Wendy & Lisa had already sparked. She's arguably a step above Mayte, but not by that much.

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Wasnt crystal ball the song inspired by a painting that susannah hipped him to (or drew? I cant remember right now).

It was a painting she did on a wall, which featured several nude figures.

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Reply #27 posted 06/06/24 9:31am

funkbabyandthe
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Condition of the heart - another amazing susannah inspired song.
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Reply #28 posted 06/11/24 1:25pm

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Sheila E.

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Reply #29 posted 06/12/24 8:22am

lion88

For Prince it would have been Vanity and Mayte.

I choose Jill Jones and Sheila E as they had the most direct impact on his music.

I should mention Wendy and Lisa, but they are not considered Muses I think.

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[Edited 6/12/24 8:25am]

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