funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Sounds like somewhere here on earth Quite nice. Very good vocal. Good 00s post trc jazzy prince.

That was lovely. Prefer it to original demo.

LILpoundCAKE said:

donovd said:

According to Prince Vault it's a new mix by Chris James. I don't know what their source is.

perhaps the estate has communicated something on X or somewhere else?

this is a gripe I have not just with the estate but with streaming in general.

where are the credits? what an amazing time to be a sessions musician, no
one ever gets acknowledged anymore by way of the big audience.

I tried to look for the source of Princevault's info on Google, Facebook and X, but didn't find anything. I'm sure they can't have come-up with this, though, they gotta have gotten that info from somewhere.

What does it mean, though?

1/ A reference mix was found but in too low quality (cassette? lossy CD-R?), so Chris James was asked to recreate it as faithfully as possible?

2/ No such reference mix was ever found, but those extra stems were found on the 24-tracks, so Chris James was asked to "frankenstein" a "what if...?" mix that Prince never had made at the time?

Again, the Estate's lack of transparency is baffling.

databank said:

donovd said:

databank said:

donovd said:

It's a different take from the NPGMC release.

Yeah and that's great. But instead of just dumping it 'like this, just come up with a little narrative by Duane, like "the story of the song is this, we found out there was another version, we couldn't find a proper mix of it, whatever, etc." It's good marketing and it's good for historicity.

fully agreed on all that.

databank said:

ShellyMcG said:

i like it as its decent, nothing embarassing in there, its well done, but i dont really love it or anything. i think i preferred, or connected more to somewhere here on earth. but maybe i just need to hear it more times.

FragileUndertow said:

So the next b side should/could be Glass Cutter

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Sam Jennings has a post on FB where he reveals he's the one who made the artwork for the three singles because he still had the photos from the shoot in his archive. And he said this was the final single.

bizzie said:

FragileUndertow said:

ShellyMcG said:

I'm clearly in the minority here but I don't like this song at all. I'm happy for those who like it but this does nothing for me.

I never was a fan of it either

Try to listen again, and focus on Prince's vocal style.

He's often underrated as a singer I think.

First of all, he has a very unique voice, with a particularly wide range in falsetto.
Here he masters the melody, keeps his vocal color warm, and above all, maintains his vibrato.

(which often changes or slows down by age)

I always find it incredible how good Prince is at his vocal control (in falsetto).

I think it's a real pleasure for him to sing in falsetto, you can feel it.

Especially in this song; I think it's wonderfully well controlled and executed.
He does not draw out, or exaggerate in this song, but rather keeps the tempo according to the melody.

He could easily have played it in a different key and exhaled incredibly, as we are used to from him in some ballads.

But here he prefers to keep the soft bitterness of the lyrics in his sent melodic style.

You don't always have to like a song, but you can always detect a spark of masterclass Prince.
At least imho.

Vannormal said:

FragileUndertow said:

So the next b side should/could be Glass Cutter

Sam Jennings said "I was only given three titles, so this one was the last on my radar."

[Edited 5/27/24 12:25pm]

Eh, I don't like that one. Tbh I don't care for any of these Musicology outtakes.

Why no FLAC loss less download options???????

FragileUndertow said:

So the next b side should/could be Glass Cutter

Not a b-side

MIRvmn1 said:

FrankieCoco1 said:

MIRvmn1 said:

The estate finally said that it's an alternate version of Silver Tongue on X and Facebook but there's still no further information about the new mix by Chris James. [Edited 5/28/24 8:51am]

Prince Vault have updated their entry from “a new remix from the original 24-tracks, done by Chris James”, to instead say “This was likely a new remix done by Chris James.” Sometimes the guys doing the Prince Vault site get things wrong, but if they realise they are speculating too much, they’ll put it right. Plus they’re open to amendments/additions if people have information that can be shared and verified.

Given that it's from 2004, Occam's razor would suggest it's logical to assume the mix was done then and left on an usable format (i.e. not cassette) BEFORE assuming it was mixed in 2024. Unless one knows it was, of course. But "likely" suggests it's an assumption.

All praise and respect to Princevault's team, who's been doing an remarkable job since day one (what would the fandom be without this database?), but in this specific case, they seem to be just adding to the confusion laid by the Estate's opacity.

I've found this!

https://x.com/CaseyRain/status/1793926935111991434#mce_temp_url#

Casey Rain posted that new mix was done by Chris James.

I don't know how much credible this source is, but it's only thing we currently got.

donovd said:

I've found this!

https://x.com/CaseyRain/status/1793926935111991434#mce_temp_url#

Casey Rain posted that new mix was done by Chris James.

I don't know how much credible this source is, but it's only thing we currently got.

On Princevault.com, you have the same information....

https://princevault.com/index.php?title=Silver_Tongue

Ramzoo said:

Who cares about the source ?

Nevertheless, this "new mix" was not mentioned in the Prince FB account.

Ramzoo said:

Who cares about the source ?

Nevertheless, this "new mix" was not mentioned in the Prince FB account.

Sources help assess the veracity/validity of an information.

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Princevault and Casey both posted their info on the same day. I'm not certain whether the time that appear on X and Pvault are from the same timezones (and how to verify this), but if they are, Princevault's update predated Casey's post by an hour, so Casey may not be their source.

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I asked Casey in case he could help us figuring this out.

Chris James posted an IG story (long since disappeared) saying he remixed these tracks from the master tapes.

That is likely the source for these people. That's the only place I saw it.

fragglerock said:

Chris James posted an IG story (long since disappeared) saying he remixed these tracks from the master tapes.

That is likely the source for these people. That's the only place I saw it.

Thanks! Do you remember any specific details from that story?

[Edited 5/29/24 23:23pm]

paisleyparkgirl said:

Eh, I don't like that one. Tbh I don't care for any of these Musicology outtakes.

They're B-Sides.

I wish we had Musicology outtakes.

[Edited 5/30/24 20:31pm]