TrivialPursuit said:
So, I watched the documentary, and I don't see your point. MJ is like a ghost, a shadow in that movie. He is Always seen with his sunglasses, that s ridiculous. Every other artists were dressed normally in the studio + they wore the WATW t-shirt. MJ is on music video superstar mode, with a travelling shot from his shoes to his head. MJ is supposed to be the driving force on that project ( he wrote like 80% of the song) but he s like a ghost in the studio. Was it really like that or the MJ estate prevent the director to have more scenes of him? There are so many things missing ( like the Shalingy thing) that could be an explanation to miss the point that much on the doc ( according to me) So disappointing we can't hear/ see more of the process of the recording of the demo. Lionel Richie make MJ look like a jerk ( the snake story, the fact they spent one week without doing nothing). So that movie proves completely my point. MJ seems so out of this place, too shy in the studio. Prince' presence wouldn't have made the things better, that's for sure ! In fact when I told previously that Prince couldn't have fit in that fest, well he would have looked exactly...like MJ in WATW : so unreal, like an alien lost on earth. Stevie Wonder was great though, even if I suspect an attempt to gain some credit to the song with the swahili chant. Quincy told in his memoirs that Ray Charles ( who was drunk with Waylan Jennings and Willie Nelson) was pissed and said " willi moing-gu my ass, It’s three o’clock in the god--mn mornin’ — I can’t even sing in English no more," [Edited 2/5/24 14:46pm] [Edited 2/5/24 14:47pm] [Edited 2/5/24 14:48pm] [Edited 2/5/24 14:49pm] | |
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I really enjoyed the documentary; I thought it was actually pretty entertaining. [WARNING -- SPOILERS] If accurately described, Lionel and MJ were in no hurry to get the lyrics together for the song so Quincy Jones could add his magic, and that threw everything behind. | |
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I remember there being a funny "end of year" summary done in poem . . . it was either Mad magazine or Playboy (I used to get into my dad's stash) . . . | |
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• John Barnes – keyboards, programming, arrangement • David Paich – synthesizers • Michael Boddicker – synthesizers, programming • Ian Underwood – synthesizers, programming • Steve Porcaro – synthesizers, programming • Paulinho da Costa – percussion • Louis Johnson – synth bass • Michael Omartian – keyboards • Greg Phillinganes – keyboards • John Robinson – drums without dismissing their contributions. THE reasons MJ and, therefore Quincy, would not entertain Prince playing guitar are MJ wanted to boss Prince and MJ knew Prince was a much better musical instrumentalist. | |
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RODSERLING said: Sheila E. was very naive to think she could have had a solo in the song...Who did she think she was ? I do think it’s absurd that she expected to be given a verse,considering she was pretty much a “new” artist at that point.There wasn’t enough verses in the song for *everyone* to have their own verse. [Edited 2/5/24 15:56pm] | |
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Se7en said: I remember there being a funny "end of year" summary done in poem . . . it was either Mad magazine or Playboy (I used to get into my dad's stash) . . . And so what about James Brown and Sly Stone ? [Edited 2/5/24 16:11pm] | |
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IanRG said:
• John Barnes – keyboards, programming, arrangement • David Paich – synthesizers • Michael Boddicker – synthesizers, programming • Ian Underwood – synthesizers, programming • Steve Porcaro – synthesizers, programming • Paulinho da Costa – percussion • Louis Johnson – synth bass • Michael Omartian – keyboards • Greg Phillinganes – keyboards • John Robinson – drums without dismissing their contributions. THE reasons MJ and, therefore Quincy, would not entertain Prince playing guitar are MJ wanted to boss Prince and MJ knew Prince was a much better musical instrumentalist. So who plays the guitar on WATW? Where is that guitar? Where would you have placed it for God sake, since not even Quincy Jones knew where? MJ didn't beatBoxed no guitar,man. | |
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IanRG said:
There s obviously no guitar in that song. Prince wasn't the only studio guitarist guitar they could find. So, once again : WHERE would you have fit that guitar solo in the song? | |
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Once again these are some of the most capable musicians available in the USA at the time, and it is not rocket science or alchmemy to tweak a song. | |
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IanRG said:
Once again these are some of the most capable musicians available in the USA at the time, and it is not rocket science or alchmemy to tweak a song. Nobody decided to add the swahili chant, except Stevie Wonder. It was a caritative single,not really appropriated to do a longer version, a dance mix version, etc. It was a one-shot. The single : wasn't it already a 12' in some way? When you think about it, according to wikipedia : Vinyl single "We Are the World" (USA for Africa) – 7:14 "Grace" (Quincy Jones) – 4:56 I think it exceeds the normal duration of a 7' single. And there s no trick like Hey Jude with a fading sound by the 4th minute. And that could explain the often met confusion in the reading of the US certifications. It was certified 4*Platinum but it is often mistaken as " sold 8 millions copies" The last Platinum single certifying 2 millions copies was, IIRC, When Doves Cry (!), Then the rules change since singles sold less circa 1985/86. One 12' single sold accounted for 2 copies sold. Meaning, for instance, that When Doves Cry may have sold/ shipped 1,5 millions on 7'format + 250k 12'. | |
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IanRG said:
[Edited 2/6/24 10:59am] I never said it was impossible to add guitar, that's why I asked you WHERE. Since you can't precisely say where, you didn't convince me. The song is perfect as it is. As you can say in the doc, MJ had nothing to say about the song, or about the casting. He played absolutely no silly games with Prince. The silly game is wanting to go on the studio alone on that project, to add something that wasn't needed. Maybe MJ remembered that Prince guitar story when he made What More Can I Give. He did an english regular version (ok, regular is a big word for something that was never released !) And he did a spanish version, with Santana doing a guitar solo ! Just like you wanted Prince to do that. I isolated the part : https://youtube.com/clip/...AvydWwVojF The tracklist on wikipedia clocks the single regular version at 7'14 (in the "tracklist" section) The 6'22 version could be a radio version ? Or else there would have been a 7'' and a 12'' listed. Or else, that's a mistake on their part. | |
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Come on, IarRG... Come on, RODSERLING... Go go go! Now I need to see the documentary, after all this... yeah, uhm, what is it? Not about Prince for sure. "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) | |
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IanRG said:
[Edited 2/7/24 1:48am] What More Can I Give is the We Are The World of the 2000's. It s just that it wasn't released. But if it were, it would have been #1 everywhere. It was written and composed by the same person. And clearly MJ is doing his Quincy on it. As you can see, what Quincy refused for Prince, MJ incorporated it in the song (at least the spanish version). Doesn't that satisfy you enough? Still,no Prince in the english version ![]() | |
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Why would Prince be on What More Can I Give? That was mostly artists who were popular in the mainstream at the time. Prince was not on the radio with Ricky Martin, 3LW (aka Cheetah Girls), Mariah Carey, & Nsync. Prince hadn't had a big hit since 1994. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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Tiny detail I noticed in the documentary . . . there's a corkboard where they have all of the WATW artists pinned up for reference. | |
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Y'all are into your 3rd day of your pissing contests. Take a breath. If you have a problem with me, text me. If you don't have my number, you don't know me well enough to have a problem with me. | |
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MickyDolenz said:
Why would Prince be on What More Can I Give? That was mostly artists who were popular in the mainstream at the time. Prince was not on the radio with Ricky Martin, 3LW (aka Cheetah Girls), Mariah Carey, & Nsync. Prince hadn't had a big hit since 1994. That was a joke | |
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TrivialPursuit said:
If it s about quality of the posts, then sure, you have nothing to do here. You have 55 years old ! Dammit, time to get some maturity. 16,000 posts since 2016 ! That means, no joke, 6 posts eveyday for 8 years ! About one thousand just for pissing at me, obessesed troll. Get-a-life. [Edited 2/7/24 14:44pm] [Edited 2/7/24 14:46pm] | |
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IanRG said:
[Edited 2/7/24 14:56pm] Qualities on my posts are not subject to debate. I wasn't absolutely not "pissing at you", as that troll said. We were debating things too complicate for that sad guy (55 years old, 6 posts everyday for 8 years) to understand. That troll is all but civil towards me. I strike back. | |
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Come on guys! more ....
- I donwloaded the dcocumentary. This weekend i'll have a look. Curious to see it. Honestly, everything about it was a bit beyond me at the time. So it would be a nice view back in time. "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) | |
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