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D&P charts and sales 3 main markets :
1) Japan Oricon Weekly Physical Album ranking(Japan) : #32 (2099) - #122 (285) - #132 (280)-#238 (132) Total copies sold : 2,803 including 1,575 the first day of release ! 2) USA Billboard 200 (week of November 11, 2023) Diamonds & Pearls : #85 . Billboard Top Album Sales (U.S.) : #12 (47th week) Billboard Top Vinyl Albums (U.S.) : #18 Catalog Album Sales Rankings : #2 The significance of this is that now Prince holds the title for most catalog sales top 10 albums by himself, breaking out of a tie with The Beatles by virtue of his 20th top 10. (On the Catalog chart proper, The Beatles still rule the roost with 19 top 10s, and Prince is second with 15.) 3) UK No.2 on debut in 1991, and last charting in 2016, Prince’s 13th studio album, Diamonds & Pearls, is the subject of a new, super deluxe edition adding rarities and previously unreleased tracks, and returns to the chart at No.50 (2,577 sales) 61th week in the top 100, was last certified 900k in 2001, so the million mark is very likely reached. [Edited 11/20/23 19:30pm] Germany : #12 Swiss : #11 (33rd week, originally peaked at #3) Netherlands : #5 (51th week, peak position !!! Originally peaked at #6). Austria : #9 France : not eligible to chart Spain : #91 Belgium : #6-182 ( only country charting 2 weeks) Hungary #18 Portugal : #34 Scotland : #14 Spain : #91 [Edited 12/12/23 15:09pm] [Edited 12/12/23 15:12pm] |
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Where did you get this info ? |
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Little markets : Swiss : #11 (33rd week, originally peaked at #3) Netherlands : #5 (51th week, peak position !!! Originally peaked at #6). Austria : #9 France : not eligible to chart Spain : #91 Belgium : #6-182 ( only country charting 2 weeks) |
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paisleyparkgirl said: Where did you get this info ? You're welcome |
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In ROD we trust. |
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Some feats achieved by D&P, that are sadly absent from the SDE's book :
The album sold an excess of 7 millions copies. By the release of Lovesymbol in october of 1992, it reached the 5.8 millions copies. The last estimated numbers include : - 3 millions in the US, last certified 2*Platinum in 1992. That SDE release was another missing opportunity to recertify it. - 1 million in the UK (These two markets already achieve 57% of the total sales !) - 600k in France, by far its best selling album there, with 50 weeks of charting. - 520k in Germany -300k in Australia. That's the only country where the album reached #1 ! Can't find a country where D&P didn't make the top 10 album. Compared to other Prince albums, D&P not only charted high and hard, but it also charted long. [Edited 11/20/23 20:34pm] [Edited 11/20/23 20:34pm] |
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These new numbers are still pretty respectable, thank you Rodserling for posting them. | |
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Thank you very much. - So sales might increase with the upcoming holiday season. ...preferably an extra stimulating promotion by The Estate... [Edited 11/20/23 23:03pm] "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) |
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I forget that releasing it this way adds sales to the original album numbers lol |
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Thanks ! |
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Are the copies sold figures just the SDE or any D&P album? For example is it 2557 SDE sold in the UK or does that take account of the SDE, remaster, deluxe edition? Or even, because the SDE is lots of discs or vinyl does that count as multiple numbers (e.g. 7xCD = 7 units)? Numbers seem pretty low compared to the SOTT super deluxe, is that right? There may or may not be something coming! |
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Can we get an idea of total worldside sales? Does anyeone have the figures for the last few releases? |
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FrankieCoco1 said: Are the copies sold figures just the SDE or any D&P album?
For example is it 2557 SDE sold in the UK or does that take account of the SDE, remaster, deluxe edition? Or even, because the SDE is lots of discs or vinyl does that count as multiple numbers (e.g. 7xCD = 7 units)? Numbers seem pretty low compared to the SOTT super deluxe, is that right? These numbers take into account every copie sold, may it be a the single CD edition, the deluxe vinyl edition, or the regular 1991 edition. Yep... One SDE sold = 1 copie sold, it s as much as if one 1991 regular album were sold. In the US the number of CDs multiply the certification, but not real sales for the charts (i.e Emancipation 650k albums sold = 2 millions in certifications), but that's not the case for the SDE ( too many new material compared to the original). And by the way, the estates/WB/ Sony never bothered to recertify Prince' albums... You're right : SOTT numbers were better than D&P. For instance, SOTT SDEs (+ every other editions) peaked at #20 in the US ( with 20k copies including 17,600 pure sales), charted another week at #173, and peaked at #7 in the UK. These D&P SDE clearly doesn't generate the same interest than SOTT : less press/media coverage, less interest for the fans, less worthy material but still more expensive. IIRC, sample vinyl for SOTT were given in some magazines at the time. [Edited 11/21/23 21:24pm] |
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JoeyCococo said: Can we get an idea of total worldside sales? Does anyeone have the figures for the last few releases? I estimated SOTT SDE whole project between 100/120k copies Worldwide, including about 50k the week of release. It s difficult to estimate now ( US numbers are too low to be published anymore), but know this : the three first days SOTT sold 5,4k copies in the UK. Now, in one complete week, D&P sold only half these numbers. So I would say now that D&P sold Worldwide max.about 20/25k copies the first week. And it has absolutely no legs at all. It will end up at 50k by the end of the year, I guess, if there s no more promotion added by then. [Edited 11/21/23 21:36pm] |
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Thank you so much, Rodserling. - So, The Estate has made us wait three years for an SDE that has barely been promoted, rather left incomplete, overpriced. A new postponed release that is virtually unsupported, or simply disinterested so treated unprofessionally, thinking it would work itself out? Thus missing the opportunity for additional income?! Seems very unwise and a completely wrong assessment...
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I guess the Audiophile Blu-Ray Dolby Atomos version that will be released in a two days will not make much difference, right?
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They just need to focus on the hardcore fans and release 3 or 4 Vault releases every year. Forget about high figures and just do what Zappa's Estate is doing. Only PR40 will do great in charts. |
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RODSERLING said: FrankieCoco1 said: Are the copies sold figures just the SDE or any D&P album? For example is it 2557 SDE sold in the UK or does that take account of the SDE, remaster, deluxe edition? Or even, because the SDE is lots of discs or vinyl does that count as multiple numbers (e.g. 7xCD = 7 units)? Numbers seem pretty low compared to the SOTT super deluxe, is that right? These numbers take into account every copie sold, may it be a the single CD edition, the deluxe vinyl edition, or the regular 1991 edition. Yep... One SDE sold = 1 copie sold, it s as much as if one 1991 regular album were sold. In the US the number of CDs multiply the certification, but not real sales for the charts (i.e Emancipation 650k albums sold = 2 millions in certifications), but that's not the case for the SDE ( too many new material compared to the original). And by the way, the estates/WB/ Sony never bothered to recertify Prince' albums... You're right : SOTT numbers were better than D&P. For instance, SOTT SDEs (+ every other editions) peaked at #20 in the US ( with 20k copies including 17,600 pure sales), charted another week at #173, and peaked at #7 in the UK. These D&P SDE clearly doesn't generate the same interest than SOTT : less press/media coverage, less interest for the fans, less worthy material but still more expensive. IIRC, sample vinyl for SOTT were given in some magazines at the time. [Edited 11/21/23 21:24pm] Thank you, Rod! I appreciate the effort you put in your breakdown of the numbers. Any ideas how D&P stacks up to 1999 release? Even though Diamonds and Pearls was big when it was first released, I still figured this release wouldn't be as big as the previous ones since the '80s are generally considered his most prolific and creative. Thanks again. Ancient Egyptians postulated 7 souls.
Top soul, and the first to leave at the moment of death, is Ren, the secret name... |
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Thanks! It's funny/weird to see old albums re-enter the charts decades later. It's especially weird when you see all the other listed albums. It's a mix of old and new stuff. Some artists have multiple albums listed at the same time. I'm definitely out of touch with that "world". And happy to be, to be honest. |
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Vannormal said: Thank you so much, Rodserling. - So, The Estate has made us wait three years for an SDE that has barely been promoted, rather left incomplete, overpriced. A new postponed release that is virtually unsupported, or simply disinterested so treated unprofessionally, thinking it would work itself out? Thus missing the opportunity for additional income?! Seems very unwise and a completely wrong assessment...
Thank you !!! That release would have been more appealing for fans if they had cut the two useless live Cds, and like 30 useless pages for like 50 $/€ less. There was still room in the b-sides CD ( with skipping all the edits) for Clocking the Jizz  and other remixes.
And there was still room too in the 3 vaults CD for more unreleased stuff. Also, since Lovesymbol was cut out of the whole project, it would have help to announce this D&P SDE wouldn't be orphan, by announcing the Lovesymbol SDE was coming soon, to complete it. [Edited 11/22/23 8:10am] |
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Thank you, Rod. Always appreciated! | |
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Sorry...don't agree with cutting the 2 audio live CDs. The mixes on those are SUPER. The Blu Ray offers a surround/ATMOS mix which is great but a stereo mix is absolutely required. |
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The Estate should have streamed the concert on Netflix or something to get hype going. |
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I think we're going to get Around the World SDE right after Purple Rain. |
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7souls said: RODSERLING said: These numbers take into account every copie sold, may it be a the single CD edition, the deluxe vinyl edition, or the regular 1991 edition. Yep... One SDE sold = 1 copie sold, it s as much as if one 1991 regular album were sold. In the US the number of CDs multiply the certification, but not real sales for the charts (i.e Emancipation 650k albums sold = 2 millions in certifications), but that's not the case for the SDE ( too many new material compared to the original). And by the way, the estates/WB/ Sony never bothered to recertify Prince' albums... You're right : SOTT numbers were better than D&P. For instance, SOTT SDEs (+ every other editions) peaked at #20 in the US ( with 20k copies including 17,600 pure sales), charted another week at #173, and peaked at #7 in the UK. These D&P SDE clearly doesn't generate the same interest than SOTT : less press/media coverage, less interest for the fans, less worthy material but still more expensive. IIRC, sample vinyl for SOTT were given in some magazines at the time. [Edited 11/21/23 21:24pm] Thank you, Rod! I appreciate the effort you put in your breakdown of the numbers. Any ideas how D&P stacks up to 1999 release? Even though Diamonds and Pearls was big when it was first released, I still figured this release wouldn't be as big as the previous ones since the '80s are generally considered his most prolific and creative. Thanks again. IIRC, 1999 SDE sold like 15k copies in the US the 1st week, peaking at #45. SOTT SDE did better, but it had better arguments. When you look at the Spotify numbers : SOTT ( the album) has 123 millions streams SOTT SDE has 134 M streams. Which means the 50 like unreleased tracks in 3 years generated only 11 M streams. Which means in term of money : 11,000 dollars. All these efforts for that... Diamonds and Pearls : 103 Millions It s not that far from SOTT...So it shows that it s all about the way you promote, sell your business. Lovesymbol : 45 Millions streams. So it seems highly unlikely this SDE ever get to be released. The biggest album on Spotify that hasn't got the SDE treatment yet is by far Parade (420 M) Then Around The World at 240 M Then Prince at 100 M. [Edited 11/22/23 16:45pm] [Edited 11/22/23 16:45pm] |
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I don't think the Symbol album will get the SDE treatment before many years if ever. There are many more releases with better sales potential (SDEs or otherwise) so they will focus on these ones first. |
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Also not agree with cutting the 2 live CD's. - Actually like Questlove said, they should've focused on that live performance alone as a brand new release, combined with/ and in the spririt of the D&P SDE! And indeed it should've been not 2 but four live shows; include (two great live shows of the) Symbol (album) era with it. They should've made the D&P remaster (and Symbol remaster) avialable as serpate downloads or streams. And for the completists wish for vinyl and/or CD, for sale as a seperate simple double album remaster package. The unreleased stuff wasn't even worth a SDE extra treatment imho. I would prefer them to be available as downloads only. Same for the book. A well organised PDF format as a download, with text first, and pictures last, would've been more than enough enough. Not this very unhandy big square book, with mediocre quality pics and prints. How many times one of us is going to read that book? Maximum 2 times, if people even read it all. "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) |
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It would be an impossible task, but they would have to combine the two. Simple as that. Prince had already finished the second one when the first one still had to be released. The interweaving of both stories from both albums would make a great story, and the endless touring for PR that caused exhaustion and, basically, no tour for ATWIAD, etc. "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) |
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Thank you for compiling this. |
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IIRC, 1999 SDE sold like 15k copies in the US the 1st week, peaking at #45. SOTT SDE did better, but it had better arguments. When you look at the Spotify numbers : SOTT ( the album) has 123 millions streams SOTT SDE has 134 M streams. Which means the 50 like unreleased tracks in 3 years generated only 11 M streams. Which means in term of money : 11,000 dollars. All these efforts for that... Diamonds and Pearls : 103 Millions It's not that far from SOTT... So it shows that it's all about the way you promote, sell your business. Lovesymbol : 45 Millions streams. So it seems highly unlikely this SDE ever get to be released. The biggest album on Spotify that hasn't got the SDE treatment yet is by far Parade (420 M) Then Around The World at 240 M Then Prince at 100 M. Amazing information. Never had any idea about this. This gives a good perspective. Thank you so much!!
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