RODSERLING said:

7souls said:

Thank you, Rod! I appreciate the effort you put in your breakdown of the numbers. Any ideas how D&P stacks up to 1999 release? Even though Diamonds and Pearls was big when it was first released, I still figured this release wouldn't be as big as the previous ones since the '80s are generally considered his most prolific and creative. Thanks again.

IIRC, 1999 SDE sold like 15k copies in the US the 1st week, peaking at #45. SOTT SDE did better, but it had better arguments. When you look at the Spotify numbers : SOTT ( the album) has 123 millions streams SOTT SDE has 134 M streams. Which means the 50 like unreleased tracks in 3 years generated only 11 M streams. Which means in term of money : 11,000 dollars. All these efforts for that... Diamonds and Pearls : 103 Millions It s not that far from SOTT...So it shows that it s all about the way you promote, sell your business. Lovesymbol : 45 Millions streams. So it seems highly unlikely this SDE ever get to be released. The biggest album on Spotify that hasn't got the SDE treatment yet is by far Parade (420 M) Then Around The World at 240 M Then Prince at 100 M. [Edited 11/22/23 16:45pm] [Edited 11/22/23 16:45pm]

About those numbers:

"SOTT ( the album) has 123 millions streams
SOTT SDE has 134 M streams.
Which means the 50 like unreleased tracks in 3 years generated only 11 M streams. Which means in term of money : 11,000 dollars. All these efforts for that..."

How does that work exactly? Whenever someone listens to a song, it means one more "stream" for the associated album?

In that case, how can we know which songs have been streamed from the SOTT SDE? How do we know most of those 134M streams do not come from the vault/live tracks?

Also: if 10M streams = 10K USD, then 100M streams = 100K USD. That's not much either. It barely covers the yearly salary of one person. According to that logic, why release anything new?

[Edited 11/23/23 8:46am]

THANK YOU for this info!

olb99 said:

I am an 80s chart geek

Is there somewhere we can access this info for all of his albums?

Thank you again for this thread

fredmagnus said:

They just need to focus on the hardcore fans and release 3 or 4 Vault releases every year. Forget about high figures and just do what Zappa's Estate is doing. Only PR40 will do great in charts.

The SDE's are for the hardcore fans though.

DotsofU said:

RODSERLING said:

Most popular D&P songs on Spotify, among Prince' whole catalogue : #11 Cream 33,676,695 #13 Diamonds and Pearls 27,310,507 #28 Gett Off 15,123,395 #34 Money Don't Matter 2 Night 12,686,712 #38 Insatiable 11,421,777 #139 Strollin' 1,586,218 #140 Thunder 1,584,535 #174 Willing and Able Some analyses here : - Obviously, the most streamed tracks are the ones that were released/ promoted as the singles : Strollin' had a video and was double A-sided with Sexy MF, Willing has a video , tv live performances, and was announced as a single. - overall poor numbers. You would have thought Cream was a 100 millions song . - good performance for Insatiable, since it s not on any best-of. It beats I Feel For You (#39), Partyman (#40), Do Me Baby (#41), Alphabet Street (!) (#44), Batdance (!!) #45...

Interesting, thanks.

Waw again, Thank you so much rodserling.

much appreciated.

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Are there numbers of the live tracks?

Or don't these count?

RODSERLING said:

DotsofU said:

I am an 80s chart geek

Is there somewhere we can access this info for all of his albums?

Thank you again for this thread

This website, which the Prince section was written in 2018 : https://chartmasters.org/...-analysis/ Though some numbers seem odd and quite out of place, like the physical singles sales. Let s take a look at the physical singles sales from D&P listed there: Thunder – 20,000 Diamonds and Pearls – 1,280,000 Cream – 1,110,000 Gett Off – 1,140,000 Money Don’t Matter 2 Night – 240,000 Insatiable – 180,000 Insatiable is listed at 180k, whereas it was only released in the US ( am I wrong?) and was recorded by Soundscan at 124k copies. Soundscan system was thriving at the time, since it was created in 1991. Surely there was a 10% mistake rate,but that doesn't add up to 180k Cream and Gett Off would have sold only 600k outside the US, but D&P more 800k ? D&P did great in the US (429k, didn't reach the Gold certification), but it still did less than Cream (491k, certified Gold) and Gett Off ( 551k). D&P didn't do that great outside the US though : Canada : #5 Australia : #13 New Zealand : #8 Europe : #29, reaching top ten only in Switzerland Money Don't Matter 2Night would have sold only 100k outside the US ? It didn't do that less than D&P. In fact, it charted a bit higher in Europe (#24), though for less weeks).It went top ten in Netherlands and Ireland. Australia : #18 New Zealand : #20 Canada : #19 For the record, Thunder was by far the best selling single of the whole D&P project in Ireland (!). It peaked at #3 and charted for 12 weeks [Edited 11/28/23 22:32pm] [Edited 11/28/23 22:33pm]

This is GREATLY APPRECIATED

There should be a Forum just on charts - in my geeky opinion

JoeyCococo said:

The Estate should have streamed the concert on Netflix or something to get hype going.

thats a great idea. definitely better than putting out an album, then doing nothing promotion-wise

FrankieCoco1 said:

Vannormal said:

D&P:SDE didn't get my money, mostly because I feel it's priced way too high. I feel that these SDEs should max out at $100 . . . maybe $120.

I bought the original on CD and cassette back when it came out in 1991, I'm good for now. If the SDE drops below $100, I might grab it.

Se7en said:

Any estimation of the physical sale number for the D&P SDE internationaly (US include) until now ?

thanx

RODSERLING said:

Nothing D&P related but, since it's the day of Christmas, I noticed that Prince only Christmas-track " Lonely Christmas" had a boost these days : it goes from a usual 2,500 streams per days, to 6,000 yesterday

Almost every major artist has a Christmas song that is one of his best streaming song. These songs were usually not a smash hit at the time of the release but nowadays with legal downloads and streaming, these are becoming really all time hits.

A few instances here from Spotify :

- Paul McCartney : Wonderful Christmas Time (471 millions streams, his only track above is...4-5seconds in which he doesn't even sing nor produce)

- Stevie Wonder's "What Christmas Means To Me" ranks #7 in his tracks, above Isn't She Lovely.

- John Lennon's "Happy X-Mas" is only now a few steps behind Imagine, as his top streaming song. It will beat it one day eventually...

- 9 songs out of the top 20 best streamed songs of the Jackson 5 are Christmas songs ! The most famous one, Santa Claus Is Coming To Town, is one of the lost enduring hit of Michael Jackson whole carreer.

The more the years are passing, the more the best streaming songs of an artist will tend to be a Christmas song !

Of course,George Michael/ Wham Last Christmas,is gonna be one day the most streaming song ever. Unbeatable.

Maybe one day the new estate will promote songs like The Last December or Lonely Christmas. They have more potential money to make than in another D&P SDE-like !
[Edited 12/25/23 2:07am]

MIRvmn1 said:

RODSERLING said:

Se7en said:

D&P:SDE didn't get my money, mostly because I feel it's priced way too high. I feel that these SDEs should max out at $100 . . . maybe $120.

I bought the original on CD and cassette back when it came out in 1991, I'm good for now. If the SDE drops below $100, I might grab it.

I agree but, 120$ or 150$, what's the difference when you are a fan? Take it as it is, every two or three years, you won't get anything else. Like Prince used to sing : Be Glad that you are free, There s many a man who's not Be glad for what you have Be Glad for what you' ve got

Probably a few more factors at play . . . even $120 is not in my personal budget at the moment. Something more like the 1999:SDE price when it came out would be. And, I can listen to it whenever on Spotify.

As I stated, I think a set of this kind should max out at $100 (for the CDs.). Sales would be higher, more units sold.

JoeyCococo said:

The Estate should have streamed the concert on Netflix or something to get hype going.