lustmealways said:

The Diamonds and Pearls Super Deluxe Edition has come and gone, I personally have little interest in revisiting it after a few listens. In part because the material just isn't incredible and also because so much of the set was either already circulating or had gotten in the past few months prior to release.

May I suggest you're not listening to it properly, or you just don't have adequate taste. There are trax on here I've played at least 100 times. And it's obvious in this collection what the better songs are. Also, referring to a few thousand obsessive fans already privy to the material as diehard weirdos is a bit rich coming from someone who shit talks on every post.

fortuneandserendipity said:

lustmealways said:

The Diamonds and Pearls Super Deluxe Edition has come and gone, I personally have little interest in revisiting it after a few listens. In part because the material just isn't incredible and also because so much of the set was either already circulating or had gotten in the past few months prior to release.

May I suggest you're not listening to it properly, or you just don't have adequate taste. There are trax on here I've played at least 100 times. And it's obvious in this collection what the better songs are. Also, referring to a few thousand obsessive fans already privy to the material as diehard weirdos is a bit rich coming from someone who shit talks on every post.

Not listening to it properly? Don't have adequate taste? Seriously??? Come on now, this is all subjective. That's great that you love the tracks so much you've played them over 100 times each (which I would never do in such a short time span lest I just kill the track) but I'm with LustMeAlways - most of these tracks are pretty generic and forgettable in my opinion. Maybe I'll go back to some of them one day but I'll probably just forget they exist. I was happy to hear them and will now await period releases I'm more interested in.

SpookyPurple said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

May I suggest you're not listening to it properly, or you just don't have adequate taste. There are trax on here I've played at least 100 times. And it's obvious in this collection what the better songs are. Also, referring to a few thousand obsessive fans already privy to the material as diehard weirdos is a bit rich coming from someone who shit talks on every post.

Not listening to it properly? Don't have adequate taste? Seriously??? Come on now, this is all subjective. That's great that you love the tracks so much you've played them over 100 times each (which I would never do in such a short time span lest I just kill the track) but I'm with LustMeAlways - most of these tracks are pretty generic and forgettable in my opinion. Maybe I'll go back to some of them one day but I'll probably just forget they exist. I was happy to hear them and will now await period releases I'm more interested in.

Well I'd discovered some of these trax b4. And probably about half are keepers.

SpookyPurple said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

May I suggest you're not listening to it properly, or you just don't have adequate taste. There are trax on here I've played at least 100 times. And it's obvious in this collection what the better songs are. Also, referring to a few thousand obsessive fans already privy to the material as diehard weirdos is a bit rich coming from someone who shit talks on every post.

Not listening to it properly? Don't have adequate taste? Seriously??? Come on now, this is all subjective. That's great that you love the tracks so much you've played them over 100 times each (which I would never do in such a short time span lest I just kill the track) but I'm with LustMeAlways - most of these tracks are pretty generic and forgettable in my opinion. Maybe I'll go back to some of them one day but I'll probably just forget they exist. I was happy to hear them and will now await period releases I'm more interested in.

I have to agree.

Also for me, this whole set is mediocre. I give the whole SDE a 5,5 to 10, according to Prince's efforts in writing and recording.

The only standout for me, is the one that totally doesn't fit : Letter For Miles.

And even this one isn't Prince's best jazz effort.

Compare any of these tracks, released and unreleased with any material from 1999, Purple Rain, ATWIAD, Parade, SOTT and Lovesexy.

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I wonder why many find this set so generic and fogettable, since the live performance of some same tracks are truly stunning.

So I lisened again. Only focused on the 'sounds', seperately.

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In my humble opinion :

Most of the written songs are... OK-ish. Let's say from bad to mediocre, with a glimps of refinement here and there.

It's about the sound. Often very cheap. In comes the New Jack Swing sound of that era.

First tof all, for me, the drum programming of most tracks are substandard. (Live drumming is good.)

Certainly the unreleased songs. On the final D&P album some tracks have strong drum programming, like Gett Off and Insatiable, parts of thunder also.

Others like Daddy Pop, Walk Don't Walk, Live 4 Love have imo weak drum programming. Too much going on even, no great breaks or arrangements in the drum programming.

They sound plastic, cheap, fast recorded.

Prince must've discoverd new synthesizers and new drum computers, or, was looking indeed for that typical NJS sound. If so, he succeeded in that.

Same for the use of the synth sounds... Prince always was super innovative when it came to 'sound.'

Listen to the simple use of piano sounds for instance, they come from synths, no real piano.

Thus often make songs sound NJS-ish, and have less depth, less real feel.

Songs like Spirit and Don't Say U Love Me, Tip 'O My Tongue, The Voice, Hey U, Alice Through The Looking Glass, sound downright terrible.

It sounds all as if Prince could program really fast with these new machines. The use of uninventive pre-programmed stuff.

Gone were the innovative and creative findings like sending a synth or drum computer through a pedal or whatever he did with a Moog for example.

There's something else that bothers me. The use of deep supportive bass reinforcement in his drum programming. Often a kind of deep hum. In the remixes of all 'Get Off' tracks it is so disturbing that for me it weakens the quality of the songs.

It was still popular coming with the 'House' sound from a few years back.

You strengthen the beat, but you weaken the sensitivity, and enjoyable sound quality. At least for me.

You can hear that very clearly in a song like Daddy Pop. Plus too much rumble from non organic percussion.

Live this was all replaced by the great bass playing of Sonny-T.

And Live Prince always remained that innovative arranger and sound-man.

Live he barely ever failed in 'sound' i think.

Glad the live tracks are so strong in sound (and performance of course).

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What ya'll think?

[Edited 11/16/23 5:31am]

Farfunknugin said:

Come outside and play , would love that in good quality .

yeah i also want all those Graffiti Bridge tracks in remastered quality

Landonfunkmonkey said:

What happened to the lust of tracks Joris posted?

I removed it.
The moment I posted it orgnotes with bullshit came my way and this thread was on the verge of becoming another shitpile on prince.org. Nobody needs that.

So best not to post anything informative on here.

[Edited 11/3/23 7:03am]

Vannormal said:

SpookyPurple said:

Not listening to it properly? Don't have adequate taste? Seriously??? Come on now, this is all subjective. That's great that you love the tracks so much you've played them over 100 times each (which I would never do in such a short time span lest I just kill the track) but I'm with LustMeAlways - most of these tracks are pretty generic and forgettable in my opinion. Maybe I'll go back to some of them one day but I'll probably just forget they exist. I was happy to hear them and will now await period releases I'm more interested in.

I have to agree.

Also fro me, this whole set is mediocre.I give the whole SDE a 5,5 to 10, acoording to Prince's efforts in writing and recording.

The only standout for me, is the one that totally doesn't fit it; Letter For Miles.

And even this one isn't Prince's best jazz effort.

Compare any of these tracks, released and unreleased with any material from 1999, Purple Rain, ATWIAD, Parade, SOTT and Lovesexy.

-

I wonder why many find this set so generic and fogettable, since the live performance of some same tracks are truly stunning.

So I lisened again. Only focused on the 'sounds', seperately.

-

In my humble opinion :

Most of the written songs are... OK-ish. Let's say from bad to mediocre, with a glimps of refinement here and there.

It's about the sound. Often very cheap. In comes the New Jack Swing sound of that era.

First tof all, for me, the drum programming of most tracks are substandard. (Live drumming is good.)

Certainly the unreleased songs. On the final D&P album some tracks have strong drum programming, like Gett Off and Insatiable, parts of thunder also.

Others like Daddy Pop, Walk Don't Walk, Live 4 Love have imo weak drum programming. Too much going on even, no great breaks or arrangements in the drum programming.

They sound plastic, cheap, fast recorded.

Prince must've discoverd new synthesizers and new drum computers, or, was looking indeed for that typical NJS sound. If so, he succeeded in that.

Same for the use of the synth sounds... Prince always was super innovative when it came to 'sound.'

Listen to the simple use of piano sounds for instance, they come from synths, no real piano.

Thus often make songs sound NJS-ish, and have less depth, less real feel.

Songs like Spirit and Don't Say U Love Me, Tip 'O My Tongue, The Voice, Hey U, Alice Through The Looking Glass, sound downright terrible.

It sounds all as if Prince could program really fast with these new machines. The use of uninventive pre-programmed stuff.

Gone were the innovative and creative findings like sending a synth or drum computer through a pedal or whatever he did with a Moog for example.

There's something else that bothers me. The use of deep supportive bass reinforcement in his drum programming. Often a kind of deep hum. In the remixes of all 'Get Off' tracks it is so disturbing that for me it weakens the quality of the songs.

It was still popular coming with the 'House' sound from a few years back.

You strengthen the beat, but you weaken the sensitivity, and enjoyable sound quality. At least for me.

You can hear that very clearly in a song like Daddy Pop. Plus too much rumble from non organic percussion.

Live this was all replaced by the great bass playing of Sonny-T.

And Live Prince always remained that innovative arranger and sound-man.

Live he barely ever failed in 'sound' i think.

Glad the live tracks are so strong in sound (and performance of course).

-

What ya'll thing?

Totally agree. This era for music - at least in the R&B space - was super generic sounding and musically uninteresting (in my opinion). And that's what most of us love Prince for - his eccentricity and penchant for creating songs like no one else out there. But here, it just feels like Prince hopping on a current (and very bland) musical trend. I get some nostalgic feels from this era but recognize that it hasn't aged well at all. None of these songs make me go "I can't believe he didn't release this!" I believe it. Just talking the outtakes here. The live show is dope like all live Prince.

JorisE73 said:

JorisE73 said:

JorisE73 said:

Landonfunkmonkey said:

What happened to the lust of tracks Joris posted?

I removed it.
The moment I posted it orgnotes with bullshit came my way and this thread was on the verge of becoming another shitpile on prince.org. Nobody needs that.

So best not to post anything informative on here.

[Edited 11/3/23 7:03am]

Sorry about that.

And what a shame! It's fun sometimes to hear other people's opinions, but the best bits are when they share some actual useful info.

The best hypothetical lists of songs are those which comprise bootlegs that some but not all have already heard. Any songs effectively embargoed in the studio without a note being heard are just that. Words on a paper.