olb99 said:

If we're thinking about the same person, I'd love for him to work for the estate. We'd get tons of information, no frankensteined mixes, and sets bursting at the seams with alternate takes, outtakes, studio jams, rehearsals, etc. We'd never get that lucky though.

Whoever the archivist is, none of them would have the final say anyway.

I'm sure Duane would want huge sets too. It's just that it's not up to him to decide.

It's the Estate's choice with the record companies who pay for the cost of the releases.

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fredmagnus said:

Whoever the archivist is, none of them would have the final say anyway.

I'm sure Duane would want huge sets too. It's just that it's not up to him to decide.

It's the Estate's choice with the record companies who pay for the cost of the releases.

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true, and that's another problem
It's the old rule: Once they pay you then you have imited say.

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WhiteSandsHideaway11 said:

Targeting large and expensive archival and expanded versions of albums at “the younger generation” is an odd way to go about these releases.. a really good placement in a netflix show would make more sense for that? A 350 dollar box set containing 7 hours of material AINT the type of thing to be targeting to gen Z..

You forget that everything is released on streaming services - so somehow "for free", and that does reach Gen Z...

Duane is not just 'a fan like us'. I don't know many fans who have written 1000 published pages on a small fraction of Prince's career output. Anyway, I have already said what I think, that Duane is perfect for the job. If you're not sure or don't agree, just imagine the MJ Estate or people being in charge. You'd def get new hip hop mixes of When Doves Cry and Let's Go Crazy.

Duane mentioning how we the fans are getting older, and that time is running out...absolutely and I'm releived to hear a voice inside the Estate Mgt actually say this. They need to speed up the releases. The buying pool is shrinking so if they want to monetize, you better get the material out. Furthermore, if it is protege material...do it with less fan fare and more frequently. There is a limited number of buyers for all that but they are rabid and won't care about frequency or price. Just releaes Jill Jones, Madhouse, but take the same care to remaster and offer up some limited vault material associated with the albums. The Family - give us his versions on a 2nd Vault disc.

Krid said:

I am more so referring about to the very short attention span and quick fix most of the younger generation has towards entertainment and art..

videos have become short tik toks.. a movie over 90 minutes is “too long” etc..

so thinking that 7 hours of content is going to appeal to a generation who can’t make it though a 10 minute YouTube video is stretch.. in my opinion.

highcalonic said:

Thanks for highlighting this, it’s nice to have this new information, and I stand corrected 👍
Will give it a good read, firstly to brush up on my French and then translate it.

WhiteSandsHideaway11 said:

Krid said:

You forget that everything is released on streaming services - so somehow "for free", and that does reach Gen Z...

I am more so referring about to the very short attention span and quick fix most of the younger generation has towards entertainment and art.. videos have become short tik toks.. a movie over 90 minutes is “too long” etc.. so thinking that 7 hours of content is going to appeal to a generation who can’t make it though a 10 minute YouTube video is stretch.. in my opinion.

With streaming platforms, those 7 hours of content are easily accessible in small units of several minutes called tracks/songs. Really: Prince's music has never beeen as accessible as it is now. For people with short attention spans, as well as for people who are patient enough to listen to whole albums.

banishedones666 said:

JoeyCococo said:

I honestly can not understand how Duane can be considered the wrong man for this job. This man has devoted insane hours writing two of the very best books on Prince's musical output. His analysis is nearly always fascinating. I don't get who could actually be better.

I truly hope, Duane gets a chance to create a documentary out of the vault material. He understands Prince's career, is very familiar and with the access I dream he has, would be in perfect position to do something fantastic.

A book author can write books. His books are great. However he has said in the past he only knows/cares about 1983-1987 in multiple interviews. Obviously with Michael Howe out of the way, his thoughts have changed along with his paycheck. Already people in this post are wanting material from 1980 & other releases outside of his wheelhouse. An overseas contact advised the reason Howe & Tudahl were pushing for a COMBINED "Diamonds & Love" set is both didn't care for his 90's output or know it & could.biking the sets made it easier for them to work on & then get back to the 83-87 material. You can take your way through many things including interviews and again, i like his books, although it takes from others interviews and he has fans do the research for him & gives him a credit in his books. It does not mean he should be running the vault or be the vault archivist. I say this not as someone that understands that Prince's heydey waw 83-87 but there was 5-6 albums before then & 35 after. Its a large task and you have to be all in. I'm sure to the labels & Comerica & Londell, he knows more than them so he comes off as a Prince expert but outside of a few years, he doesn't know that much. I'm sure everyone on this board thinks they could run the vault but they can't yet neither can he. He is forever attached to Prince's legacy now & maybe that will be enough for him to walk away but that paycheck makes st likely will pursuade him to stay. Not the right reason tho, right?

Sorry, but all your assumptions aside, I am one that is very happy a (diehard) PRINCE FAN, no matter what, is on this job!

Preferable him than just some random manager who knows shit, and has to go through it all from scratch.

Besides all this, there will NEVER be SDE's of ALL prince's albums. Period.

We all know and realize that. And if you don't, you're either 18-20 years old or ignorant.

For that reason, choices have to be made. If they are made by a serious Prince fan, so be it.

Be sure that those +30 last albus of Pirnce will see little to none SDE treatment.

The idea of a physical SDE is gradually becoming outdated. It's only us 'older' fans who REALLY want this? To ad to the Prince collection, gathering dust.

A new more interactive (or any other) form of getting the vault out there needs to be considered.

It all takes far too long and far too slow.

duanes books dont suggest hes a great writer

but as far as what he does for the estate, i think he does a good job

hes into details, which is good for fans who want to know more about the actual recordings, not just the bigger picture story, which andrea swenson is good at (they are lucky they have her i think)

as long as he gets SDEs out of all the 80s albums, i am ok with that

after that, if maybe releases like the PR one (ie an extra disc or two of extras) are what happens, then great

i cant complain

obv, along the way some box sets, live releases, would all be great too.

i just hope they do it soon, not in 20 years to come.

but i accept it will probably be one SDE a year. i dont see a time when they do more than that. im sure they could, but it doesnt look like they will, but who knows, that might change now there are different people running it.

highcalonic said:

I might just be reading this wrong... If Prince asked for their help to finish a song then some work must have already been done on that song? Did he do that all on the same day? Does this imply that there is a demo/rough track without the NPG?



I'm not disputing any of this (how could I?). It just that "work on the archives" is vague at best.
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lustmealways said:

This is and always was the wrong guy for the job.

Who is and was?

JorisE73 said:

olb99 said:

- I don't understand the idea that Duane Tudahl is the "wrong guy for the job". Why would he be bad at that job (archivist) and who would be better than him?

I think he's a OK choice (like most longtime fans would be who did the research) but I would rather have seen someone who was there at the time to expand the releases into SDE's because they have more of the story so to say, Duane is 'just' a fan like he rest of us.

Acceptable view, but who's to say that person still remembers everything? It is already common practice that close employees do not always know all the details. After their life with Prince, they also let go of a lot and focused on their own careers. A superfan often knows so much more than a protege, or an engineer, or a paid employee.

If theres one thing you can say about duane, its that he knows facts. Hes been good for prince history as hes all about uncovering and documenting the facts.

lustmealways said:

This is and always was the wrong guy for the job.

What makes you say that?

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

True, streaming wont bring in money though.

That is the primary way of consuming music these days though.

WhiteSandsHideaway11 said:

Krid said:

You forget that everything is released on streaming services - so somehow "for free", and that does reach Gen Z...

I am more so referring about to the very short attention span and quick fix most of the younger generation has towards entertainment and art.. videos have become short tik toks.. a movie over 90 minutes is “too long” etc.. so thinking that 7 hours of content is going to appeal to a generation who can’t make it though a 10 minute YouTube video is stretch.. in my opinion.

But it's not 7 hours of content, it's dozens of 3-5 minute pieces of content that will end up in playlists.

[Edited 11/7/23 0:32am]

JoeyCococo said:

Duane is not just 'a fan like us'. I don't know many fans who have written 1000 published pages on a small fraction of Prince's career output. Anyway, I have already said what I think, that Duane is perfect for the job. If you're not sure or don't agree, just imagine the MJ Estate or people being in charge. You'd def get new hip hop mixes of When Doves Cry and Let's Go Crazy.

Duane mentioning how we the fans are getting older, and that time is running out...absolutely and I'm releived to hear a voice inside the Estate Mgt actually say this. They need to speed up the releases. The buying pool is shrinking so if they want to monetize, you better get the material out. Furthermore, if it is protege material...do it with less fan fare and more frequently. There is a limited number of buyers for all that but they are rabid and won't care about frequency or price. Just releaes Jill Jones, Madhouse, but take the same care to remaster and offer up some limited vault material associated with the albums. The Family - give us his versions on a 2nd Vault disc.

Quite. His research is exhaustive and a labor of love for all genuine fans to indulge in. People who think he can't write or has done a pisspoor job are just not interested enough in the material. He's a mine of useful information and with a chunky head like his should we really be surprised. I mean, if he didn't want the job of further investigating future Prince projects I'm sure someone else equally capable with a similar sized head can step in and pick up the reins. An Elon Musk type perhaps. Just don't leave it to AI. That'll just result in more shitposting and false news.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

If theres one thing you can say about duane, its that he knows facts. Hes been good for prince history as hes all about uncovering and documenting the facts.

He documents interviews with people and edits those to present a particular point of view. It's not always factual.

JorisE73 said:

olb99 said:

Ok. I understand. But at the same time, he has that "documentary maker" / researcher mentality that not many fans have and probably not even many people who were "there at the time". Susan Rogers is the exception rather than the rule, I think.

yeah probably true, but then Duane wouldn't be my first choice if we have to go with someone with a researcher mentality, I can think of someone with the same mentality and who was (partly) also there, but he already said he would never work with the (only previous?) Estate.

[Edited 10/24/23 2:28am]

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If Neversin was in charge we'd get loads of cool info

Plus cryptic shit sending people on wild goose hunts for non existant links

But no music

No thanks, better off sticking with Duane

Revolution81 said:

JorisE73 said:

yeah probably true, but then Duane wouldn't be my first choice if we have to go with someone with a researcher mentality, I can think of someone with the same mentality and who was (partly) also there, but he already said he would never work with the (only previous?) Estate.

[Edited 10/24/23 2:28am]

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If Neversin was in charge we'd get loads of cool info

Plus cryptic shit sending people on wild goose hunts for non existant links

But no music

No thanks, better off sticking with Duane

Funny then that some people have found his things or getting shared his stuff.
If he was in there I think he would do a fine job plus he probably knows what to look for what.

JorisE73 said:

Revolution81 said:

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If Neversin was in charge we'd get loads of cool info

Plus cryptic shit sending people on wild goose hunts for non existant links

But no music

No thanks, better off sticking with Duane

Funny then that some people have found his things or getting shared his stuff.
If he was in there I think he would do a fine job plus he probably knows what to look for what.

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If thats true then its also funny that none of it has leaked, ever. Or even been shared privately outside of this group of people that nobody knows.

I wouldnt even be that confident he would even know what to look for. He didnt even know about Possessed #2 (vocal version) until PR deluxe dropped, for one example

Well, if you ever get lost in the desert, at some point, when you get really thirsty, you'll have to choose between the oasis & the mirage.

I let you guess who's what between Duane & Neversin
[Edited 11/13/23 11:45am]

Revolution81 said:

JorisE73 said:

Funny then that some people have found his things or getting shared his stuff.
If he was in there I think he would do a fine job plus he probably knows what to look for what.

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If thats true then its also funny that none of it has leaked, ever. Or even been shared privately outside of this group of people that nobody knows.

I wouldnt even be that confident he would even know what to look for. He didnt even know about Possessed #2 (vocal version) until PR deluxe dropped, for one example

Well, some of his stuff has leaked and has been shared to people that you don't seem to know (and some of us here do) that are in his group.
and the fact that he shared the version of Possessed a couple of years before it was released on PR Deluxe tells me you're misinformed (but then again I don't know where you get your info from because he's pretty actve on semi public places for the last 5 years.)

JorisE73 said:

Revolution81 said:

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If thats true then its also funny that none of it has leaked, ever. Or even been shared privately outside of this group of people that nobody knows.

I wouldnt even be that confident he would even know what to look for. He didnt even know about Possessed #2 (vocal version) until PR deluxe dropped, for one example

Well, some of his stuff has leaked and has been shared to people that you don't seem to know (and some of us here do) that are in his group.
and the fact that he shared the version of Possessed a couple of years before it was released on PR Deluxe tells me you're misinformed (but then again I don't know where you get your info from because he's pretty actve on semi public places for the last 5 years.)

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I got my info from his own words:

"Possessed" is awesome and new to me, only heard the instrumental of this...

reply #47 from this thread on this very website:

https://prince.org/msg/7/443893?&pg=2

So it seems you're the misinformed one.

Can you tell me exactly what stuff of his has ever leaked?

[Edited 11/14/23 7:11am]