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Thread started 08/17/23 4:27pm

homesquid

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What Went Wrong With 20TEN? UPDATE: I Was Wrong

I'm not alone in thinking this is the absolute worst Prince album. It's excruciatingly mediocre, hookless and boring. Not one song would make it even on a 6 cd box set of Prince's best. In some ways I actually feel bad about it. I'm from the classic Prince era 1979-1990 and the production choices he made for 20ten were a clear attempt to record an album with a very similar intentionally dated sound. I believe he was trying to relive HIS heyday just one time. This should be the album for me. But I can't even listen to any one song let alone the album all the way through. What went wrong? Obviously it's the songs themselves. They sound like polished demos. I mean stack any of these curs to say a 1999 outtake like "Purple Music". Thanks for trying though, Prince.

UPDATE: Well I forced myself to listen to 20ten three times...I'm glad I did. It grew on me.

[Edited 8/19/23 13:40pm]

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Reply #1 posted 08/17/23 4:28pm

lustmealways

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sticky like glue

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Reply #2 posted 08/17/23 4:39pm

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I don't really care for the sound of that album, but I'm not sure I'd say it was his worst (for me, Emancipation was his worst).

I think Compasion sounds like cheesy game show theme music. Same with Everybody Loves Me. They do have catchy hooks, but almost too catchy, like a jingle. Cringy.

It has a few songs I think are decent: Lavaux, Sticky Like Glue, Laydown.

I know a lot of people like Future Soul Song, but I don't get it at all.





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Reply #3 posted 08/17/23 4:54pm

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He was supposed to release 2010 with full length songs and not truncated versions. Didn't happen.

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0
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Reply #4 posted 08/17/23 5:08pm

TrivialPursuit

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I don't think anything went wrong with it. When I listen to Welcome 2 America, it feels slightly lesser than 20Ten, but they are definintely sister albums.

Why he didn't release it in the US is weird. I used to put "Cause and Effect" before "Compassion" and added "Hot Summer" a bit later in the album. But since the latter is now on Welcome 2 America, I suppose it fits there.

It feels like W2A should've come out and let 20Ten be a deluxe or bonus or whatever. Or hell, just be a two-disk set.

It feels more medicore than other albums (but not by much), but it's not horrible.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #5 posted 08/17/23 5:16pm

claudemorton

Over produced, too many yes-men & women around him, or limited input from others or too much, something went wrong. I always have it tied with "Planet Earth" as the worst albums, but Lavaux is fun and I would love to have the rumored 17 minute version. Future Soul Song is killer with the harmonies, absolutely beautiful. And if you chop off the first minute or two of Sticky Like Glue it is fantastic, and live it was always fun to hear.

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Reply #6 posted 08/17/23 5:22pm

Boshie2000

lurker316 said:


I don't really care for the sound of that album, but I'm not sure I'd say it was his worst (for me, Emancipation was his worst).

I think Compasion sounds like cheesy game show theme music. Same with Everybody Loves Me. They do have catchy hooks, but almost too catchy, like a jingle. Cringy.

It has a few songs I think are decent: Lavaux, Sticky Like Glue, Laydown.

I know a lot of people like Future Soul Song, but I don't get it at all.





I can't imagine a world in which Emancipation was his worst album, although uneven and overlong for sure, with few, if any, all-time classics. But at least 12 songs on this record (more than enough for a full album) would be most artists from that era's best work. But fair play. I definetely think Rave, Slaughterhouse, 20Ten, MPLSound and even Planet Earth are weaker in terms of number of solid tracks. And even those albums have some great songs. If you take the best tracks from 20Ten and MPLSound (2009,2010 respectively) then you have a solid little album. My choice is as followed, should anyone want to try this out as a playlist and LMK what they think.

MPLSound/20Ten

1. Laydown

2. Compassion

3. Beginning Endlessly

4. Future Soul Song

5. Dance 4 Me

6. Lavaux

7. Here

8. U're Gonna See Me

9. Ol' School Company

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Reply #7 posted 08/17/23 5:23pm

Boshie2000

If you take the best tracks from 20Ten and MPLSound (2009,2010 respectively) then you have a solid little album. My choice is as followed, should anyone want to try this out as a playlist and LMK what they think.

MPLSound/20Ten

1. Laydown

2. Compassion

3. Beginning Endlessly

4. Future Soul Song

5. Dance 4 Me

6. Lavaux

7. Here

8. U're Gonna See Me

9. Ol' School Company

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Reply #8 posted 08/17/23 6:06pm

WhisperingDand
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TrivialPursuit said:



Why he didn't release it in the US is weird.

He didn't release it in the US because he tried to put it from release/shelve it in the UK a la The Black Album, but the owners of The Daily Mail told him it was already pressed, packaged and the deal was done.

This was in an interview with The Daily Mail reps who brokered the deal after he transitioned.



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Reply #9 posted 08/17/23 6:14pm

WhisperingDand
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Boshie2000 said:

I can't imagine a world in which Emancipation was his worst album, although uneven and overlong for sure, with few, if any, all-time classics.

They whine about the "plastic" production in Emancipation but it don't get no more plastic than 20Ten.

The only difference is it's a plastic facsimile of the 80s prime era instead of the "plastic" style of then-modern 90s R&B.

MPLSound
was similar in trying to recapture the 80s, well, the 80s MPLS style, but, it was less egregious because it was like a "bonus" disc on the Lotusflow3r 3CD set and chart-wise a bunch of Prince clones like your Justin Timberlake's, The-Dream's what have you were putting out material that was straight jacking the classic "Prince style" and having chart success doing so.

20Ten is worse because he's doing it again twice as phoned-in with worse material. Is this the first time in his career he put out a straight re-run? The same exact thing, but worse?

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Reply #10 posted 08/17/23 7:15pm

RJOrion

"Sticky Like Glue" and "Lavaux" are masterpieces.
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Reply #11 posted 08/17/23 7:35pm

chrisslope9

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RJOrion said:

"Sticky Like Glue" and "Lavaux" are masterpieces.

I agree with you. I don't think 2010 is a bad record at all.

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Reply #12 posted 08/17/23 8:22pm

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Still want the full length songs on the album.

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0
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Reply #13 posted 08/18/23 2:14am

FrankieCoco1

WhisperingDandelions said:



TrivialPursuit said:




Why he didn't release it in the US is weird.



He didn't release it in the US because he tried to put it from release/shelve it in the UK a la The Black Album, but the owners of The Daily Mail told him it was already pressed, packaged and the deal was done.

This was in an interview with The Daily Mail reps who brokered the deal after he transitioned.





20ten was released with The Daily Mirror in the UK. It was Planet Earth that the Daily Mail was released with.
There may or may not be something coming!
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Reply #14 posted 08/18/23 2:18am

LILpoundCAKE

purplethunder3121 said:

Still want the full length songs on the album.


I doubt there are many extremely extened cuts. The way I think of it is that it would have been
a bit like "Rave In2 The Joy Fantastic". A few alternate versions and some 'extended' ones that
run for like 30 seconds or 1 minute longer.

Same with the 'new' songs that might have been on 20Ten Deluxe. I Feel like "Rich Friends" is
probably the only one. Perhaps 1 more? "Cause and Effect" ? - although how that song should
fit with these other ones is kind of beyond me.

I don't mind the album itself at all, I kind of like all the songs but it does sort of fall apart by the
time the second half is underway. It feels like a very random couple of tracks.

"Sea of Everything" is so sparse it feels like a demo and "Everybody Loves Me" sounds like just
a joke song he recorded for a party at paisley park and decided to put on the album in some
moment of clouded judgement lol

Laydown is burried way beyond the end as a tag on. The second half of the album just feels too
disjointed.

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Reply #15 posted 08/18/23 2:39am

mb71

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FrankieCoco1 said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

He didn't release it in the US because he tried to put it from release/shelve it in the UK a la The Black Album, but the owners of The Daily Mail told him it was already pressed, packaged and the deal was done.

This was in an interview with The Daily Mail reps who brokered the deal after he transitioned.



20ten was released with The Daily Mirror in the UK. It was Planet Earth that the Daily Mail was released with.


Planet Earth was released with the Mail on Sunday, not the daily.
20Ten was released with several publications. In the UK it was with the Daily Mirror and The daily Record.

Formerly TheDigitalGardener etc.
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Reply #16 posted 08/18/23 2:42am

mb71

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purplethunder3121 said:

He was supposed to release 2010 with full length songs and not truncated versions. Didn't happen.


20Ten.

Formerly TheDigitalGardener etc.
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Reply #17 posted 08/18/23 2:43am

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chrisslope9 said:

RJOrion said:

"Sticky Like Glue" and "Lavaux" are masterpieces.

I agree with you. I don't think 2010 is a bad record at all.


20Ten.

Formerly TheDigitalGardener etc.
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Reply #18 posted 08/18/23 2:50am

funkbabyandthe
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in its defence, it has:

future soul song

walk in sand

the rest i can barely remember.

it was just another 00s cash in for prince.

musicology was just a clever ploy to sell it by counting it with concert tickets

this album was just a way to get a big pay out from a sensationalist right wing british tabloid newspaper.

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Reply #19 posted 08/18/23 2:52am

bwaaatch

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I can't imagine a world in which Emancipation was his worst album



Lucky for you, no imagination required 😘

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Reply #20 posted 08/18/23 3:57am

Mackopolis44

Future Soul Song, lovely harmonised vocals invoking lyrics where Prince vividly describes a dream, what's not to love?

Lavaux, everyone should visit Switzerland and this song rang in my head when I did a wine tasting tour there!

Laydown, Prince at his most self deprecating whilst simultaneously self agrandising. 'Purple Yoda' is in full effect!

Hell, I even enjoy Everybody Loves Me.

It's a great set of songs that I often enjoy revisiting.

Tell me I've got no taste 🤣😂🤣
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Reply #21 posted 08/18/23 4:07am

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I adore 20Ten, which surprised me at the time. The only song that I don't "love" (but still "like") is Everybody Loves Me.

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Reply #22 posted 08/18/23 4:34am

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I wasn't a fan at the time and time has done nothing to change that. The Peach and Black podcast talked to James Harley who engineered the album. He seems like a super cool dude. It made me want to like the album. Every time I put it on I just can't find anything to like about it.

He was being paid up front. The hype could only last a day at most because after that the album wouldn't be available. Due to the way it was released it couldn't have any impact on the singles charts. He knew all this because he'd been through it before. James Harley says that Prince put a lot of effort into the album. But to me it sounds like something he knocked out for a quick payday.

Even the top songs on the album are footnotes at best.
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Reply #23 posted 08/18/23 5:06am

JorisE73

homesquid said:

I'm not alone in thinking this is the absolute worst Prince album. It's excruciatingly mediocre, hookless and boring. Not one song would make it even on a 6 cd box set of Prince's best. In some ways I actually feel bad about it. I'm from the classic Prince era 1979-1990 and the production choices he made for 20ten were a clear attempt to record an album with a very similar intentionally dated sound. I believe he was trying to relive HIS heyday just one time. This should be the album for me. But I can't even listen to any one song let alone the album all the way through. What went wrong? Obviously it's the songs themselves. They sound like polished demos. I mean stack any of these curs to say a 1999 outtake like "Purple Music". Thanks for trying though, Prince.



I rank 20TEN the same as MPLSound, both kinda free albums: one with a newspaper and the other bundeled with the horrible Elixer and great Lotus Flower.
To think he charged people for his by far worst albums Art Official Age and Hit N Run Phase 1.

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Reply #24 posted 08/18/23 5:45am

cfluid

It might have done better if Prince had went around at least performing the songs live. Basically promoting it a whole lot more. Didn't seem like he cared too about these songs, so how could anyone else?

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Reply #25 posted 08/18/23 6:14am

LILpoundCAKE

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It might have done better if Prince had went around at least performing the songs live. Basically promoting it a whole lot more. Didn't seem like he cared too about these songs, so how could anyone else?


that seems to have been the norm after the ONA tour. neutral

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Reply #26 posted 08/18/23 7:07am

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Thats cos he didnt care about that music all that much
He cared about the tours
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Reply #27 posted 08/18/23 7:39am

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Future Soul Song is f’n brilliant. A Prince masterpiece, so shut up. 😁
(Insert something clever here)
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Reply #28 posted 08/18/23 7:55am

RJOrion

DarkKnight1 said:

Future Soul Song is f’n brilliant. A Prince masterpiece, so shut up. 😁


Word...So is "Walk In Sand" and "Act Of God" and "Sticky Like Glue" and "Lavaux"

I never understood the hate for this lp
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Reply #29 posted 08/18/23 8:12am

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Not his best album but by far not his worst.
Compassion - Lavaux is actually surprisingly condensed and funky. He returned to the simple song structure that made his music so easily digestible back in the early-mid 80's. Again, not my favorite album but I return to this one more often than Planet Earth, MPLSound, Welcome 2 America and HnR1 combined.
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