olb99 said:

SpookyPurple said:

olb99 said:

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Wouldn't that be a nightmare from a rights perspective (DC Comics)?

WB owns the movie Batman and also now owns DC Comics. Shouldn’t be a rights issue at all.

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I missed that. Still, Warner Bros Discovery. (WBD) and Warner Music Group (WMG) are not the same entity. I'm pretty sure the rights would not be an obvious matter.

olb99 said:

SpookyPurple said:

olb99 said: WB owns the movie Batman and also now owns DC Comics. Shouldn’t be a rights issue at all.

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I missed that. Still, Warner Bros Discovery. (WBD) and Warner Music Group (WMG) are not the same entity. I'm pretty sure the rights would not be an obvious matter.

It should be a simple matter with all the monopolies, yet somehow you are probably right and it's too much "red tape" or something.

honestly another huge perk of this release is seeing the people who don't listen to anything except 80's stuff lose their mind.

They should not be touching the 90's Prince albums until they have released Deluxe versions of Parade, ATWIAD, and Dirty Mind. Would love a For You release too.

lustmealways said:

honestly another huge perk of this release is seeing the people who don't listen to anything except 80's stuff lose their mind.

I love 00s Prince almost as much of the 80s and adore Love Symbol. D&P is just a supremely lackluster project is all... we might break even depending on Originals and The Vault tho.

SquirrelMeat76 said:

They should not be touching the 90's Prince albums until they have released Deluxe versions of Parade, ATWIAD, and Dirty Mind. Would love a For You release too.

This was the consequence of their little wacky "biggest sellers first" all-over-the-place approach to chronology. A lot of org'ers will emphasize it's a business blah blah blah... This method severly undermines the ouevre, yo, Like he's an artist who requires filtering or something.

Chrological would have been professionally academic, and you'd only have 2 potentially "meh" sellers (potentially, they could definitely possibly sell okay) before you get a 10-in-a-row succession of increasing sellers/big sellers, and maybe going chronological would build hype up for a potential series of 90s and 00s SDEs.

Instead the Estate's all wishy washy about what should or shouldn't come next, second-guessing "oh yeah 'Parade' next--NO, NO, D&P yeah that's the ticket, 'Parade' after---uh nah nah 'PURPLE RAIN SDE' next, then maybe 'Parade' but oh wait there's 'Batman.' uh uhhmm 'Musicology SDE' anyone?" They've set the precedent that there's no rhyme/reason to their order of SDEs...

This style of anxious ticky-tack decision-making by The Estate does not bode well for when we get to the albums that aren't guaranteed sellers or stuff they can cite 1991 sales figures on.

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SquirrelMeat76 said:

SquirrelMeat76 said:

They should not be touching the 90's Prince albums until they have released Deluxe versions of Parade, ATWIAD, and Dirty Mind. Would love a For You release too.

Yeah, even if it's shuffled on the rollout, the 80s should mostly be done first. Or, at least go back n' forth. Do two SDEs a year, one 80s and one 90s. April and Sept.

SquirrelMeat76 said:

They should not be touching the 90's Prince albums until they have released Deluxe versions of Parade, ATWIAD, and Dirty Mind. Would love a For You release too.

I would agree if there was only a low number of album releases - If there was only 10 or less studio albums to a person's career then you could do DE or SDE every year or so and complete this within a decade. When there is a huge number of albums, it makes sense to focus on the big known albums first.

There is simply no way round the fact that D&P outsold these other albums and is better known.

There is also the issue that fans who want the main or exclusive focus to be on 1978 to 1988, thereby ignoring or downgrading Prince's 1990s and 21st century work are limiting Prince's impact, following and fan base. It would be like Elvis fans ignoring Movie Elvis and Vegas Elvis to just focus on Rock N Roll Elvis.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Most d+p buyers were casual fans who didnt stick around for symbol, never mind anything else What makes them think that just cos the album sold well that the SDE will too? The releases that will sell now are those that core fans are interested in or have canonical significance which parade does. D+P doesnt, i would argue.

This is my angle as well.

It's ludicruous to believe the Top 40 fans who bought an album because it had some Top 40 hits have been sitting around waiting for a Super Deluxe of an album they probably only played the hits from in 1991. They're not gonna be shelling out the kind of $$$ the estate will surely be asking for this for the same 2 hits "remastered," gimme a break.

With the prices they charge the only potential audience for each and everyone of these SDE's is the super fans. So.... give us them in chronological and stop desperately trying to hit those Purple Rain numbers that just ain't gonna happen.

Instead they'll use tepid SDE sales of an album with a tepid legacy to justify scaling back and withholding the more obscure records... when someone like me is definitely more likely to pre-order a N.E.W.S. SDE or Chocolate Invasion SDE, and am still on the fence with this D&P SDE--unless I can get it on severe markdown.


The Gold Experience is a great example, wasn't that a low seller, too? But it's legacy has grown to where it should be considered in the Top 5 of potential sellers, easily. The Estate's dated sales graphs likely do not reflect this, so I question whether they'll even attempt that one, which is just silly.

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IanRG said:

There is also the issue that fans who want the main or exclusive focus to be on 1978 to 1988, thereby ignoring or downgrading Prince's 1990s and 21st century work are limiting Prince's impact, following and fan base. It would be like Elvis fans ignoring Movie Elvis and Vegas Elvis to just focus on Rock N Roll Elvis.

Oh yeah, it's the fans fault.

Let's see how many 90s or 00s SDEs get released, first. PR is next, Parade is hot in the chamber, Batman is surely somewhere on the plans.... looks like the Estate themselves are undermining the 90s/00s/10s.

SpookyPurple said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Most d+p buyers were casual fans who didnt stick around for symbol, never mind anything else What makes them think that just cos the album sold well that the SDE will too? The releases that will sell now are those that core fans are interested in or have canonical significance which parade does. D+P doesnt, i would argue.

This is my angle as well.

It's ludicruous to believe the Top 40 fans who bought an album because it had some Top 40 hits have been sitting around waiting for a Super Deluxe of an album they probably only played the hits from in 1991. They're not gonna be shelling out the kind of $$$ the estate will surely be asking for this for the same 2 hits "remastered," gimme a break.

With the prices they charge the only potential audience for each and everyone of these SDE's is the super fans. So.... give us them in chronological and stop desperately trying to hit those Purple Rain numbers that just ain't gonna happen.

Instead they'll use tepid SDE sales of an album with a tepid legacy to justify scaling back and withholding the more obscure records... when someone like me is definitely more likely to pre-order a N.E.W.S. SDE or Chocolate Invasion SDE, and am still on the fence with this D&P SDE--unless I can get it on severe markdown.


The Gold Experience is a great example, wasn't that a low seller, too? But it's legacy has grown to where it should be considered in the Top 5 of potential sellers, easily. The Estate's dated sales graphs likely do not reflect this, so I question whether they'll even attempt that one, which is just silly.

Yeah,I just don't like the idea that only the two or three "big selling" Prince albums deserve an SDE.I hope the estate doesn't use only record sales to determine what other albums get the SDE treatment.Dirty Mind wasn't a huge seller when it came out,but that album is exteremely important and groundbreaking.It absolutely deserves to be a SDE.Same with Controversy.

WhisperingDandelions said:

IanRG said:

There is also the issue that fans who want the main or exclusive focus to be on 1978 to 1988, thereby ignoring or downgrading Prince's 1990s and 21st century work are limiting Prince's impact, following and fan base. It would be like Elvis fans ignoring Movie Elvis and Vegas Elvis to just focus on Rock N Roll Elvis.

Oh yeah, it's the fans fault.

Let's see how many 90s or 00s SDEs get released, first. PR is next, Parade is hot in the chamber, Batman is surely somewhere on the plans.... looks like the Estate themselves are undermining the 90s/00s/10s.

Why do you always want to make everything an argument?

The person I was responding to was demanding that nothing after 1988 should be released before everything they personally want from prior to that date had been released. This was specifically about D&P being almost certainly the next SDE.

This, and other comments made so very often here, may well be affecting the Estate's plans - except, of course, the Estate will almost certainly announce D&P as next SDE and they have already released "Anthonology 1995-2010" as the first non-WB "Best of" ever and they released "Welcome to America" as the only posthumous release of a previously unreleased album so far.