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was prince listening to oasis when he wrote white mansion? All those elongated notes and simple rhyming Eg maaaaath, snowwwww, gooooo Etc Makes me think of liam Gallagher | |
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Oh yes, Prince was a massive Oasis fan. One day, he even re-recorded a legendary 'vault' track as 'Big Tall Wonderwall'. Although on a serious note - Noel Gallagher is, maybe surprisingly to some, a massive Prince fan. It's been too long since you've had your ass kicked properly:
http://www.facebook.com/p...9196044697 My band - listen and 'like' us, if you please | |
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is it worth the aggravation... | |
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He may have been when done his vocals for Animal Kingdom | |
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I am also a huge Oasis/Noel Gallagher fan and I did know Noel and I think Liam too is a big Prince fan. That said, no I don't think Prince was listening to Oasis when he wrote White Mansion. | |
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No | |
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I was just about to say that. | |
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Obviously not. | |
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No, Oasis was not any kind of inspiration. The music is nothing like Oasis. The simple rhymes indicate the character in the story living the dream life in an idyllic luxury lifestyle symbolised by the classic 'white mansion' I really don't like White Mansion and am surprised and disappointed when it gets notice, but prejudice aside, I know enough to see that this has no Oasis links whatsoever. I understand Noel admired Prince for his talent and song writing. I don't think Prince would have cared for Oasis as he would have judged them as too basic and scruffy. If he would have given Noel in particular a chance he may have liked some of his work. But I think Prince was his own man and made up his mind pretty quick if he was gonna like someone musically. I mean give or take a few moments, it feels like all of America didn't really like Oasis that much comparatively. | |
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Prince always paid attention to what was popular Oasis first album sold a million in.the states The second album sold 4 million in the states Id imagine he was aware of oasis... | |
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Who said anything about COPYING? | |
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again, who said COPYING? not i. its just a musician being inspired by another musician, thats all. copying would mean something much more obvious.
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He's not talking about lifting guitar chords from "Wonderwall" though, just stretching some vocal consonants. A subtle/light influence. A slight vocal quirk influence. | |
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i did not say prince lifted great chunks of champagne supernova or roll with it or anything like that. or that he affected a mancunian accent in white mansion (lol). i just said that it sounded like prince might have been listening to some oasis around the time he wrote white mansion cos of some small similarity between a certain aspect of liam's singing and the way prince sings on this song, which to my mind, he has not used on other songs. i know subtlety of language is not your strongpoint, but this is not COPYING, it is not MIMICRY, it is what happens with a lot of music, where an artist incorporates something from one artist and makes it part of their work. it is not controversial to suggest this might have happened.
if you dont hear it, that is fine, it was an observation, a suggestion, a wondering. its what people who actively listen to music do.
its a subtle thing, not apparent, so hey, its fine if you dont hear that, or consider that a possibility (god knows there are a lot of prince fans hate the idea that prince might have heard something in someone elses song that he absorbed), BUT the slightly simplistic rhyming/melody in the song IS unique in terms of princes music. LOL @ the idea that to take influence from someone, you must be utterly faithful to not just how a note is sung, but the actual note itself. as if music is mathematics, and has to take a logical path.
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funkbabyandthebabysitters said: i did not say prince lifted great chunks of champagne supernova or roll with it or anything like that. or that he affected a mancunian accent in white mansion (lol). i just said that it sounded like prince might have been listening to some oasis around the time he wrote white mansion cos of some small similarity between a certain aspect of liam's singing and the way prince sings on this song, which to my mind, he has not used on other songs. i know subtlety of language is not your strongpoint, but this is not COPYING, it is not MIMICRY, it is what happens with a lot of music, where an artist incorporates something from one artist and makes it part of their work. it is not controversial to suggest this might have happened.
if you dont hear it, that is fine, it was an observation, a suggestion, a wondering. its what people who actively listen to music do.
its a subtle thing, not apparent, so hey, its fine if you dont hear that, or consider that a possibility (god knows there are a lot of prince fans hate the idea that prince might have heard something in someone elses song that he absorbed), BUT the slightly simplistic rhyming/melody in the song IS unique in terms of princes music. LOL @ the idea that to take influence from someone, you must be utterly faithful to not just how a note is sung, but the actual note itself. as if music is mathematics, and has to take a logical path.
[Edited 7/9/23 13:33pm] I understand what you mean.Some folks here like to break balls Not copying but you can say Prince was inspired by a song he heard and you can tell by listening to it For instance prince himself said he had seen George Clinton in concert so afterward he went and recorded "erotic city" | |
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I always thought he was lifting the main theme from Citizen Kane. It has a very similar progression and there’s a white mansion in that movie. And Prince spoke about Citizen Kane in an interview and probably saw some similarity between Xanadu and Paisley Park. | |
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you are officially the most pedantic, literal-minded, tin-eared person ever to post on this board. i salute you. [Edited 7/11/23 12:16pm] | |
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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:
you are officially the most pedantic, literal-minded, tin-eared person ever to post on this board. i salute you. [Edited 7/11/23 12:16pm] Those are the truest words you ever spoke 🎯💯 | |
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so you might dislike the idea, but there are many bands (eg arctic monkeys, but do they literally sound like oasis? well no) and singers inspired by oasis. i imagine you wouldnt hear this though because you seem to require stated evidence from the artist clearly stating 'yes i did in fact listen to ___ and that is reflected in my song ____' which rarely actually happens. prince could play a hendrix-referencing solo but you would be there saying 'but i did not read an interview where prince admitted this was the case, therefore i refuse to consider this as a possibility... besides, he himself always said he was more into santana' i could tell you that the song art official cage was surely influenced by daft punks random access memories in some form but you would no doubt be there to tell me that 'no, prince was making music in the 70s, at the height of disco, he did not need to hear daft punk referencing that period to make music in the 2010s that bore some traces of that era' i dont think prince ever said that dangelo's voodoo was ever an influence on the rainbow children for example, but to me, its pretty obvious he took some cues from that album, despite TRC not actually sounding at all like voodoo. you are someone who wants it all laid out for you in black and white. you want it clear as day, like a puffy daddy sample circa the late 90s, as anything other than the most literal signposting, you dont seem able to compute.
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listen to the way each line in the verse ends melodically, the added emphasis on each last word of each line, the length of the last note in each line of the verses, as well as a kind of whininess in the melody as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HqpFoHv6qg now, consider how something similiar happens in white mansion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us55oK1YgS8
if you dont hear it, thats fine, i like to join the dots when it comes to music, i get the sense you cant do that without obvious connections being made for you. | |
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i really dont care if anyone else has seen it or not. thats the beauty of the internet. you can have an opinion of your own not formed by consensus. try it sometime. | |
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warning! no capital letters will be used in this post!
who cares whether prince made a comment on it or not. i certainly dont. there are many things he never commented on. doesnt mean they dont hold water. once you accept this fact, your life as a prince fan will be improved
honestly, all i read when i see your posts is (warning! personal attacks forthcoming!) a lot of excessive anal retentiveness, petty grievances, and general butt hurtedness.
i suggest you promptly purchase some hemorrhoid cream. | |
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