Mathematically, if we have a vault series, and we have an undetermined amount of potential tracks spread across an undetermined number of Vault Series Volumes, you know, mathematically, at some point, by some grace of God, in the future, Bloody Mouth will be on one of the sets.

If they put in online as a download, everyone will get it for free.

They should put the shitty tracks up for free as teasers for SDE's.

This is starting to sound like a song!

What could go wrong???

lustmealways said:

Mathematically, if we have a vault series, and we have an undetermined amount of potential tracks spread across an undetermined number of Vault Series Volumes, you know, mathematically, at some point, by some grace of God, in the future, Bloody Mouth will be on one of the sets.

What is it about this song, that makes it so desireable? Has anyone here heard and described it?

christobole said:

What is it about this song, that makes it so desireable? Has anyone here heard and described it?

It's allegedly the greatest song ever written. Source: my ass.

lustmealways said:

christobole said:

What is it about this song, that makes it so desireable? Has anyone here heard and described it?

It's allegedly the greatest song ever written. Source: my ass.

Well, sign me up then.

Ndorphinmachina said:

I think it's a terrible idea to throw out mixed bags. It's a sure way to have the great songs overlooked, and an excuse to pump out filler tracks. If this was the direction they were going, I'd rather see genre albums. Here are some rock songs. Here are some ballads, blues, funk, pop, dance, jazz etc. Some kind of order to the chaos.

It's the other way around, isn't it? If they stick to releasing collections by era, you're going to have some great songs from that era and some terrible songs. And you'll need to wait years before you get great songs from another era. But if you throw our mixed bags, you can pull in the best songs from multiple eras without having to wait or include filler.

lurker316 said:

Ndorphinmachina said:

I think it's a terrible idea to throw out mixed bags. It's a sure way to have the great songs overlooked, and an excuse to pump out filler tracks. If this was the direction they were going, I'd rather see genre albums. Here are some rock songs. Here are some ballads, blues, funk, pop, dance, jazz etc. Some kind of order to the chaos.

It's the other way around, isn't it? If they stick to releasing collections by era, you're going to have some great songs from that era and some terrible songs. And you'll need to wait years before you get great songs from another era. But if you throw our mixed bags, you can pull in the best songs from multiple eras without having to wait or include filler.

but who decides what's filler or terrible songs? this is just a taste thing.
I would rather see chronological releases with massive liner notes detailing the recordings and all.

lurker316 said:

JorisE73 said:

Pope is an incredibly godly song

y'all don't understand

lustmealways said:

Pope is an incredibly godly song

y'all don't understand

Agree and the 12" mix is even better

Ndorphinmachina said:

JorisE73 said:

but who decides what's filler or terrible songs? this is just a taste thing.
I would rather see chronological releases with massive liner notes detailing the recordings and all.

It's mostly subjective, but sometimes not? "Pink Cashmere" is glorious. "Pope" is filler. Fun, but filler. With a catalog like Prince's it's difficult. We all want to hear everything. For that to happen there's going to be a lot of weaker songs to endure in order to get the great ones. Like you, I'd rather see some kind of order to the releases. Case in point, the 2 songs from Celebration 23. They both have their merits, but I don't think anyone would describe them as instant hits. [Edited 6/14/23 6:04am]

Please no more Crystal Ball 98 releases.
If they did some reading online the last 2 decades they wuld know how much this set was a dispointing mess for most fans (sound quality but mostly the horrible mix of old songs with new songs without any coherence) and that Prince labeled the release as a "Bootleg" set was all the more clueless.
They now have the chance to do the recordings justice and present them as historic and serious archival form. Chronologicly is a must if you ask me just to hear and experence the evolution of his craft. But I doubt anyone at the Estate understands this and will probably only make flashy, on the cheap, releases just to make quick bucks off of the people they don't trust and give out watered down USB tapes because of fear that the fans will profit off them by bootlegging it. That's how these idiots see us, but they do like our money.

JorisE73 said:

I would rather see chronological releases with massive liner notes detailing the recordings and all.

They're not gonna ever do that, though. Unless the chronology only consists of January 1984 to February 1984 to March 1984 and so on and so forth until December 1984 then we go back and double-check the Vault for January 1984 SDE.

JorisE73 said:

Please no more Crystal Ball 98 releases.
If they did some reading online the last 2 decades they wuld know how much this set was a dispointing mess for most fans (sound quality but mostly the horrible mix of old songs with new songs without any coherence) and that Prince labeled the release as a "Bootleg" set was all the more clueless.
They now have the chance to do the recordings justice and present them as historic and serious archival form. Chronologicly is a must if you ask me just to hear and experence the evolution of his craft. But I doubt anyone at the Estate understands this and will probably only make flashy, on the cheap, releases just to make quick bucks off of the people they don't trust and give out watered down USB tapes because of fear that the fans will profit off them by bootlegging it. That's how these idiots see us, but they do like our money.

Yeah Crystal Ball 98 format is the gold-standard of terrible. Some of the newer fans seem to like it, always seemed like a mess to me.

I'd like if within the set we observe chronology. Like Originals would've been better chronological. B-Sides, too. Crystal Ball 98 much better chronological. I rearranged all of them years ago. Of course ideally chronological is best, but there's 0.0001% chance they have any interest in circling back to pre-For You and For You sessions, as much as you or I would like it.

Ndorphinmachina said:

It's mostly subjective, but sometimes not? "Pink Cashmere" is glorious. "Pope" is filler. Fun, but filler.

This is like when Susan Rogers says "Play in the Sunshine" was designed filler. Like you couldn't be more right "technically" yet couldn't be more wrong literally.

[Edited 6/14/23 7:03am]

WhisperingDandelions said:

JorisE73 said:

Please no more Crystal Ball 98 releases.
If they did some reading online the last 2 decades they wuld know how much this set was a dispointing mess for most fans (sound quality but mostly the horrible mix of old songs with new songs without any coherence) and that Prince labeled the release as a "Bootleg" set was all the more clueless.
They now have the chance to do the recordings justice and present them as historic and serious archival form. Chronologicly is a must if you ask me just to hear and experence the evolution of his craft. But I doubt anyone at the Estate understands this and will probably only make flashy, on the cheap, releases just to make quick bucks off of the people they don't trust and give out watered down USB tapes because of fear that the fans will profit off them by bootlegging it. That's how these idiots see us, but they do like our money.

Yeah Crystal Ball 98 format is the gold-standard of terrible. Some of the newer fans seem to like it, always seemed like a mess to me.

I'd like if within the set we observe chronology. Like Originals would've been better chronological. B-Sides, too. Crystal Ball 98 much better chronological. I rearranged all of them years ago. Of course ideally chronological is best, but there's 0.0001% chance they have any interest in circling back to pre-For You and For You sessions, as much as you or I would like it.

Ah right, that's what I actually meant. Presented in a chronological way.

thank god he went with the version of 7 he did for the album.

anyone else getting hide the bone vibes from this e flat version? it's fine but there's no x factor.

eduJ said:

laytonian said:

eduJ said:

I guess I'm in the minority but UNRELEASED VIDEO remains at the top of my wish list. Concerts, promo video, rehearsals, whatever. This weekend was just another reminder that there is a bunch of pro-shot gold just sitting there.

THISPrince live shows are what people need to see.

Well, the people who have already seen him play in the flesh countless of times would maybe rather have the unreleased tracks.
But a audio full live show (soundcheck, support act, main show, aftershow) release (if there isn't video available for it) every week or every two weeks and a video release every month should be doable.

WhisperingDandelions said:

Yeah Crystal Ball 98 format is the gold-standard of terrible. Some of the newer fans seem to like it, always seemed like a mess to me.

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coff... coff... I really love the Crystal Ball 98 format, more than the SOTT SDE for example. I'd like the idea to create a playlist using all the Prince style from different eras. I think SDE can coexist next to unreleased album (like Madrid 2 Chicago or Roadhouse Garden) next to "Vault" albums with side tracks from different eras. I think SOTT SDE is nice, but much more unpleasant to listen to than Crystal Ball 98 without creating playlists. And a less cohesive Vault is easier to produce and release than a full luxury SDE IMHO

lustmealways said:

themanfromneptune said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

Yeah Crystal Ball 98 format is the gold-standard of terrible. Some of the newer fans seem to like it, always seemed like a mess to me.

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coff... coff... I really love the Crystal Ball 98 format, more than the SOTT SDE for example. I'd like the idea to create a playlist using all the Prince style from different eras. I think SDE can coexist next to unreleased album (like Madrid 2 Chicago or Roadhouse Garden) next to "Vault" albums with side tracks from different eras. I think SOTT SDE is nice, but much more unpleasant to listen to than Crystal Ball 98 without creating playlists. And a less cohesive Vault is easier to produce and release than a full luxury SDE IMHO

Like I said, they'll probably choose to release cheap, flashy 90s 'bootleg' like releases. Insulting to a artist like Prince.

JorisE73 said:

themanfromneptune said:

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coff... coff... I really love the Crystal Ball 98 format, more than the SOTT SDE for example. I'd like the idea to create a playlist using all the Prince style from different eras. I think SDE can coexist next to unreleased album (like Madrid 2 Chicago or Roadhouse Garden) next to "Vault" albums with side tracks from different eras. I think SOTT SDE is nice, but much more unpleasant to listen to than Crystal Ball 98 without creating playlists. And a less cohesive Vault is easier to produce and release than a full luxury SDE IMHO

Like I said, they'll probably choose to release cheap, flashy 90s 'bootleg' like releases. Insulting to a artist like Prince.

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I don't see it as an insult. I prefer to but *only* unreleased music rather than being forced to buy albums I already own with collections of singles I already own and heavy photo books I couldn't care less about just to get access to the two or three CDs of unreleased music.

themanfromneptune said:

JorisE73 said:

Like I said, they'll probably choose to release cheap, flashy 90s 'bootleg' like releases. Insulting to a artist like Prince.

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I don't see it as an insult. I prefer to but *only* unreleased music rather than being forced to buy albums I already own with collections of singles I already own and heavy photo books I couldn't care less about just to get access to the two or three CDs of unreleased music.

I would also like that but don't just throw random era songs together.
If they present them chronological with recoding details and whatnot in the liner notes this would make more sense for people who respect the artistic and historic evolution . If peo;le then want to create there own playlists with songs from different era's then they can do that from these kind of releases.

JorisE73 said:

lurker316 said:

It's the other way around, isn't it? If they stick to releasing collections by era, you're going to have some great songs from that era and some terrible songs. And you'll need to wait years before you get great songs from another era. But if you throw our mixed bags, you can pull in the best songs from multiple eras without having to wait or include filler.

but who decides what's filler or terrible songs? this is just a taste thing.
I would rather see chronological releases with massive liner notes detailing the recordings and all.

But that will inevitably mean that less commercially successful eras of his career will have less attention. Why not use the Purple Rain era (for example), to aid the release of a great song from 2002 that otherwise might not see the light of day soon or ever?

themanfromneptune said:

JorisE73 said:

Like I said, they'll probably choose to release cheap, flashy 90s 'bootleg' like releases. Insulting to a artist like Prince.

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I don't see it as an insult. I prefer to but *only* unreleased music rather than being forced to buy albums I already own with collections of singles I already own and heavy photo books I couldn't care less about just to get access to the two or three CDs of unreleased music.

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Then buy SOTT SDE digitally. It's still available at HDTracks and other sites.