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Reply #30 posted 06/05/23 3:41pm

TrivialPursuit

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Parade is the best 1-2-3 opener Prob one of the best opening sequences to any album, that whole first side


I hestitated to mention that because those first four are really one big ol' track, but the first three make more sense. It'd be a waiver to be on the "best two opening tracks" list.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #31 posted 06/05/23 3:57pm

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side 2 of parade never made sense to me cos the first side was so perfect and seamless, that whole run from the first song up to venus de milo... idk why he didnt keep that kinda sequencing going for the second half. id have kept do u lie, added all my dreams, old friends for sale, an honest man. anotherlover, kiss, mountains are all great songs/singles, but idk, they just dont really fit the vibe of the film/first half of the album.

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Reply #32 posted 06/05/23 5:18pm

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

side 2 of parade never made sense to me cos the first side was so perfect and seamless, that whole run from the first song up to venus de milo... idk why he didnt keep that kinda sequencing going for the second half. id have kept do u lie, added all my dreams, old friends for sale, an honest man. anotherlover, kiss, mountains are all great songs/singles, but idk, they just dont really fit the vibe of the film/first half of the album.


You know what fucks up side 2? "Kiss." It was added later. It feels like it was just inserted in there beyond what else is there. When "Do U Lie?" ends on a subtle mood, the subtle "Anotherloverholenyohead" drum comes in. That segues great together. It's that janky, but fun, "Kiss" that throws it off. It doesn't really sound like anything else on the record.

Hot take: "Kiss" should've been a B-side. If needed an extra song on the second half of the album, "Neon Telephone" would've been the song to put in there. It would've been a great fucking single. The other options would be "🖤 or ﹩" or "Alexa De Paris;" the latter of which would've added to the "score" and cinematic tone of the album.

And even though I despise "Life Can Be So Nice" 99% of the time, I'd still leave it. It's janky, but not in the same way "Kiss" is. "Kiss" should've been the b-side to "🖤 or ﹩."

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #33 posted 06/05/23 5:58pm

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Non-LP single would've been better but he had the movie to promote so "Kiss" became his big steaming detour off the larger album concept like "Vogue" did with Madonna's I'm Breathless record.

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Reply #34 posted 06/05/23 11:52pm

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Major labels doing non album singles in the 80s? Doubtful.
Kiss is just there cos he knew it would be a hit, or wanted the album to have a hit.
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Reply #35 posted 06/06/23 1:38am

Vannormal

What we need is a far better mix of this song.

Actually of the whol album.

A remastered version, AND better mix to be precise. wink

There's so much to discover in this song.

Kurwa! wink

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #36 posted 06/06/23 3:03am

SquirrelMeat76

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The whole album is a masterpiece.

Hmmm. Dead On It and Bob George stop it being a masterpiece for me. The former is awful.

Le Grind, Cindy C, Rock Hard, Superfunky..., ,2 Nigs and When 2 R In Love are all brilliant though.

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Reply #37 posted 06/06/23 3:19am

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I love bob George but its more like a great/weird b side song
Not an album track lol
Same for dead on it
When 2 r... also should not be on this album
So weird that its there lol
The rest though is literally a blast
Its an album that sounds like he shot it out, but in a good way
I love the intesity and freakiness of it
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Reply #38 posted 06/06/23 12:29pm

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happyshopper said:

TrivialPursuit said:


Because he'd never done that before with "17 Days," "Blue Limosine," and "Toy Box."

Remind me what Prince albums those are on wink Not really the same as taking a B-Side from one album and turning it into an album track for his very next release. Feels… unlikely.

and yet, a few years after this, he would do exactly that when the B-Side to "New Power Generation, "Get Off", was reworked for inclusion on his following album with the track "Gett Off". While the two tunes are radically different, it's still obvious that he reworked the former to create the latter.

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Reply #39 posted 06/06/23 12:35pm

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jedimaster777 said:

happyshopper said:

TrivialPursuit said: Remind me what Prince albums those are on wink Not really the same as taking a B-Side from one album and turning it into an album track for his very next release. Feels… unlikely.

and yet, a few years after this, he would do exactly that when the B-Side to "New Power Generation, "Get Off", was reworked for inclusion on his following album with the track "Gett Off". While the two tunes are radically different, it's still obvious that he reworked the former to create the latter.


how are they similar, except in name? i adore gett off and have a lot of love for get off
but i never thought they came from the same mold.


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Reply #40 posted 06/11/23 3:37pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

Hot take: "Kiss" should've been a B-side.



Or tacked on at the end. I think we're conditioned from hearing so much but it really stuck out when first released. I used to forget that's the record it was on.

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Reply #41 posted 06/11/23 5:36pm

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LILpoundCAKE said:

jedimaster777 said:

"Get Off", was reworked for inclusion on his following album with the track "Gett Off". While the two tunes are radically different, it's still obvious that he reworked the former to create the latter.


how are they similar, except in name? i adore gett off and have a lot of love for get off
but i never thought they came from the same mold.



Absolutely agree. Even though "Gett Off" briefly uses a snip of "Get Off," they are entirely different songs from different seedlings.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #42 posted 06/12/23 7:55am

Krid

can you imagine:

a) The Black Album is released in December 1987 as planned

b) Cindy C is dropped to clubs all over the world, with 5 different versions on the 12 inch

c) Cindy Crawford is taking all this lightheartedly and with humour and agrees to appear in a stylish video - heavy MTV rotation guaranteed

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Reply #43 posted 06/12/23 8:17am

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This song gets stuck in my head for days. Just like most of Black Album its so funky and funny. I never got a dark mood from this album..more of a party/club record imo. Bob George is the only one that is sorta dark...but even that is sprinkled with satire. Didn't Susan Rogers say they laughed like crazy when they were recording BG?

BTW, Parade has my fave opening song sequence. But that first side of 1999 is pretty flawless as well.

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Reply #44 posted 06/12/23 8:55am

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The fact prince thought tba was too dark tells you how far in the past the prince of 82 was.

Saying that, tba is kinda dark, or just creepy really. Its prince in full sex creep mode. Cindy c was prob turned off by the song. Cant inagine her being a fan. And well, that's ok, and as it should be lol. But the black album is one of the least compromising things he did in the 80s and it would have been a better EP than LP, but it would have been cool to see the response to it. Ppl were thinking prince albums were all big statements but this one was just a collection of bangers, weird stuff, an out of place but sublime ballad and ago for broke jazz rock track. Great reĺease basically! I agree with alan Leeds that it wouldve been a marker in his career that he prob needed. But i think id have liked warners to have let him release tba as a low key, quiet, maybe cpromo only release, AND lovesexy as the proper album.
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Reply #45 posted 06/12/23 11:36am

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lavendardrummachine said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Hot take: "Kiss" should've been a B-side.



Or tacked on at the end. I think we're conditioned from hearing so much but it really stuck out when first released. I used to forget that's the record it was on.

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That would've sucked.

I’ve been informed that my opinion is worth less than those expressed by others here.
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Reply #46 posted 06/15/23 6:58am

Krid

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

... and it would have been a better EP than LP, ...

That is actually an interesting thought.

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A side:

Le Grind

Cindy C

B side:

Bob George

Superfunkycalifragisexy

Quiet release, maybe whitelabel only to clubs

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Reply #47 posted 06/15/23 9:21am

2freaky

lol Pretty standard P song, nothing special. Aint no Wally or Cosmic Day.

I'll tell U what the Eye in the Pimp stand 4!
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Reply #48 posted 06/15/23 10:20am

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Cindy C kicks the shit out of both those
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Reply #49 posted 06/15/23 11:50am

RJOrion

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lol Pretty standard P song, nothing special. Aint no Wally or Cosmic Day.



It is a pretty basic song...on the same album there are at least 4 better songs

LeGrind
2 Nigs United 4 West Compton
When 2 R In Love
Bob George
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