paisleyparkgirl said:

I don't know how many times he did it.

Andre (or someone from his past I don't remember) has said that he tried shrooms with him when he was young and didn't like it. All I'm saying and I've said it before, he might have been open to experimentation and never said that he didn't do drugs, there is an interview when he said that he was open to everything when asked about drugs so I don't know where people get the idea that he was so clean.

I don't think he was a sloppy user or whatever he tried but I do believe he went through phases of experimentation depending on what he was dealing with in his life.

But again that's just my opinion.

His whole gimmick was being in control. Some people say well then he'd obviously never be a drug user if he likes being in control, but plenty of people like to get high in the backround and then like to engage with sober people who are none the wiser. The strung-out ostentatious high person is the stereotype, but that archetype only represents a segment of that population. Getting high doesn't change the core of your person. The people who are exaggeratedly annoying while high would be equally annoying on Pixie Stix or Mr. Pibb.

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WhisperingDandelions said:

JorisE73 said:

RJOrion said:

lustmealways said: Met her in a hotel lobby masturbating with a magazine

This one is both:

1. a woman sitting in a lobby masturbating while flipping a magazine (sophisticated)
2. a woman sitting in a lobby vehemently jamming a mag up her snatch (sleazy)

For years I''d always thought he meant a lady rolling up a magazine and using it as a dildo. I was concerned that she'd get some nasty paper cuts.

It wasn't until a few years ago that it dawned on me he might have meant a lady masterbating while reading a magazine.

Se7en said:

80s was Prince saying "I want to do these things to you"
90s was Prince saying "I'm going to do these things to you".

Very astute observation.

These whole thread has left its original purpose (Prince's raunchy lyrics) and turned into a discussion of his drug use. None of us can ever know for sure. We're all just speculating. Here's my speculation:

I believe Prince probably did some experimentation and tried recreational drugs a few times throughout his life, but I don't think he did them regularly. My guess is those were the exceptions, not the rule. I believe the Black Album story is probably true.

I understand he was regularly taking pain pills in the years leading up to his death, but that's not the same thing as taking drugs for recreational purposes. To be clear, I'm NOT making a moral distinction between the two goals in taking drugs. (I have no objections to recreational drug use. In fact, if it was up to me all drugs would be legal and there'd be heroine vending machines on ever corner.) I'm simply saying that from a practical standpoint, taking drugs to manage pain and taking drugs to enduce a chemical state of euphoria simply for fun are two different things.

Finally, I think the songs where he's simulates bong hits and makes other drug references are simply him trying to sound cool and appeal to a certain group. He might have been singing out of limited expereince, but not extensive experience. Remember, a musician singing is no different than an author writing -- they're creating a fictional character. Not every word is true to their own lives.

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WhisperingDandelions said:

paisleyparkgirl said:

I don't know how many times he did it.

Andre (or someone from his past I don't remember) has said that he tried shrooms with him when he was young and didn't like it. All I'm saying and I've said it before, he might have been open to experimentation and never said that he didn't do drugs, there is an interview when he said that he was open to everything when asked about drugs so I don't know where people get the idea that he was so clean.

I don't think he was a sloppy user or whatever he tried but I do believe he went through phases of experimentation depending on what he was dealing with in his life.

But again that's just my opinion.

His whole gimmick was being in control. Some people say well then he'd obviously never be a drug user if he likes being in control, but plenty of people like to get high in the backround and then like to engage with sober people who are none the wiser. The strung-out ostentatious high person is the stereotype, but that archetype only represents a segment of that population. Getting high doesn't change the core of your person. The people who are exaggeratedly annoying while high would be equally annoying on Pixie Stix or Mr. Pibb.

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the gimmick if you can call it that was giving the woman control in the songs.

but IRL it was the other way round.

lurker316 said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

paisleyparkgirl said:

I don't know how many times he did it.

Andre (or someone from his past I don't remember) has said that he tried shrooms with him when he was young and didn't like it. All I'm saying and I've said it before, he might have been open to experimentation and never said that he didn't do drugs, there is an interview when he said that he was open to everything when asked about drugs so I don't know where people get the idea that he was so clean.

I don't think he was a sloppy user or whatever he tried but I do believe he went through phases of experimentation depending on what he was dealing with in his life.

But again that's just my opinion.

His whole gimmick was being in control. Some people say well then he'd obviously never be a drug user if he likes being in control, but plenty of people like to get high in the backround and then like to engage with sober people who are none the wiser. The strung-out ostentatious high person is the stereotype, but that archetype only represents a segment of that population. Getting high doesn't change the core of your person. The people who are exaggeratedly annoying while high would be equally annoying on Pixie Stix or Mr. Pibb.

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Ingrid met him when he was allegedly high on ecstasy and she said he seemed perfectly normal and that she only found out about it years later .

lurker316 said:

These whole thread has left its original purpose (Prince's raunchy lyrics) and turned into a discussion of his drug use. None of us can ever know for sure. We're all just speculating. Here's my speculation:

I believe Prince probably did some experimentation and tried recreational drugs a few times throughout his life, but I don't think he did them regularly. My guess is those were the exceptions, not the rule. I believe the Black Album story is probably true.

I understad that was regularly taking pain pills in the years leading up to his death, but that's not the same thing as taking drugs for recreational purposes. To be clear, I'm NOT making a moral distinction between the two goals in taking drugs. (I have no objections to recreational drug use. In fact, if it was up to me all drugs would be legal and there'd be heroine vending machines on ever corner.) I'm simply saying that from a practical standpoint, taking drugs to manage pain and taking drugs to enduce a chemical state of euphoris simply for the fun are two different things.

Finally, I think the songs where he's simulates bong hits and makes other drug references are simply him trying to sound cool and appeal to a certain group. He might have been singing out of limited expereince, but not extensive experience. Remember, a musician singing is no different than an author writing -- they're creating a fictional character. Not every word is true to their own lives.

It's possible.

90s was a bit more macho (song wise, not image or frollicking with my males dancers-wise).

80s was more fey.

80s was more rock and new wave/glam inspired.

90s was more rap inspired.

overall though, yeah he did sexy mf and gett off, but the sexual content was largely toned down and dialled down in the 90s. in the early 80s he had head, sexuality, sister, dirty mind, etc etc.

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dodger07 said:

He was ‘sophisticated raunchy’ right near the end with the semi hidden ‘lick your kitty clean….look for candy in my purple psychedelic pimp sack’ part in This Could Be Us. . And before that with likes of Mellow and Supercute

You are absolutely right !

"Sophisticated raunchy" is the right way to describe the 2000's/2010's.

So basically, Prince has been raunchy all of his musical life haha.

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paisleyparkgirl said:

RJOrion said:

Breakdown First one intoxicated, last one to leave

That line left me wondering because when I heard it for the first time I thought "Well Prince was never known for being intoxicated at parties" if anything he would tell his bandmates not to get drunk. It's confusing.

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its also just a song. they arent all biographical.

savagedreams said:

RJOrion said:

savagedreams said:

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its also just a song. they arent all biographical.

And you being Prince Nelson, know exactly which ones are "biographical" and which ones arent, right?

That's an odd comeback.

You're corect, he's not PRN, and therefore he can't say with certainin that this particular song is fictional.

But at the same time, you're not PRN either, and therefore you can't say with any certainty that the song is biographcial.

Bottom line, it's 50/50 whether Prince was talking about himself or, like any author, creating a fictional character.

With that being the case, it makes sense to caution someone not to assume the lyric is factual and try to reconcile it with Prince's life.

In other words, don't try to fit the facts to your assumptions.

lurker316 said:

RJOrion said:

lurker316 said:

That's an odd comeback.

You're corect, he's not PRN, and therefore he can't say with certainin that this particular song is fictional.

But at the same time, you're not PRN either, and therefore you can't say with any certainty that the song is biographcial.

Bottom line, it's 50/50 whether Prince was talking about himself or, like any author, creating a fictional character.

With that being the case, it makes sense to caution someone not to assume the lyric is factual and try to reconcile it with Prince's life.

In other words, don't try to fit the facts to your assumptions.

I never said anything definitive about lyrics being "biographical"...i clearly stated "possibilities" and i quoted Prince himself saying that his songs are biographical...but some people are responding with certainty about what lyrics are biographical and which lyrics are not biographical...pay attention.

I am paying attention. Let me remind you how the conversation went:

@paisleyparkgirl was trying to reconcile the lyric to what she knew of Prince's life. She was assuming that the lyric was biographical.

@savagedreams cautioned her that not all lyrics are biographical. His caution was spot on. He never said that specific lyric definitly is not biographical. He just said it might not be. @paisleyparkgirl shouldn't assume it is factual and try to force it in the narrative she believes of Prince's life.

At that point, you, @RJOrion, chimed it to challenge @savagedreams, suggesting he didn't know which lyrics are and aren't biographical.

Do you see your mistake? @savagedreams never claimed to know which lyrics are biographical. In fact, he was making the same argument you and I are making: simply that the lyric may or and may not be biographical -- so don't make any assumptions about it.

How raunchy or nasty was prince in the 00's?

In the '10's?

What was left of it?