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Thread started 02/22/23 6:29pm

lurker316

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Live at the Aladdin DVD - John Blackwell


During this concert, why was John Blackwell behind a glass partician? It looked like bulletproof shielding used to protect the Pope. I don't recall seeing Prince's drummers behind anything like that at other concerts. What purpose did it serve, and why was it only used for that concert?







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Reply #1 posted 02/22/23 7:16pm

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those are used in studios for isolating the drum sound when recording a kit, occasionally. maybe since they knew this was being filmed and the multis presumably taped.

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Reply #2 posted 02/22/23 7:20pm

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As Prince himself replied when asked at a NPGMC soundcheck Q and A; because of his bad breath smile

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Reply #3 posted 02/23/23 3:27am

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lurker316 said:


why was it only used for that concert?







it was used throughout the One Nite Alone tour in 2002.
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Reply #4 posted 02/23/23 1:13pm

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It was used at every tour stop probably because they planned for the live set and it would maximize the best sound for the recording . Scotty Baldwin would know .. It was cool seeing P
Behind the kit to start the show .
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Reply #5 posted 02/23/23 3:52pm

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Farfunknugin said:

It was used at every tour stop probably because they planned for the live set and it would maximize the best sound for the recording . Scotty Baldwin would know .. It was cool seeing P Behind the kit to start the show .



But why just this particular tour (ONA?). If it provides the best sound, why not use it on other tours?

Was their something unqiue to the band's arrangment on stage that necessitated it?


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Reply #6 posted 02/23/23 6:49pm

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lurker316 said:



Farfunknugin said:


It was used at every tour stop probably because they planned for the live set and it would maximize the best sound for the recording . Scotty Baldwin would know .. It was cool seeing P Behind the kit to start the show .



But why just this particular tour (ONA?). If it provides the best sound, why not use it on other tours?

Was their something unqiue to the band's arrangment on stage that necessitated it?




Who knows , just a theory I had. I wish the rest of the Alladin show would surface because it was a Mother Effer
[Edited 2/23/23 18:50pm]
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Reply #7 posted 02/23/23 9:09pm

LoveGalore

lurker316 said:



Farfunknugin said:


It was used at every tour stop probably because they planned for the live set and it would maximize the best sound for the recording . Scotty Baldwin would know .. It was cool seeing P Behind the kit to start the show .



But why just this particular tour (ONA?). If it provides the best sound, why not use it on other tours?

Was their something unqiue to the band's arrangment on stage that necessitated it?




Well probably for just what he said. Because he intended to record it for release. To get isolated drums, since the mics would pick up ambient sound anyway. The drums do sound pretty exciting on the album. He wasn't recording the other tours for major releases. ONA tour had a noticeable improvement in live production anyway.
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Reply #8 posted 02/23/23 9:59pm

Hqel

I remember at the Musicology tour in Stockholm, around 2001?

When was at the pre-show, about 100 people attending, and we got to some Q&A with Prince, the question was asked, "How come there is this booth around the drums?"

Prince answer was quick and delivered in an instant with that smile, and he said: Breath!

lol lol lol

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Reply #9 posted 02/24/23 12:32am

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lurker316 said:

Farfunknugin said:

It was used at every tour stop probably because they planned for the live set and it would maximize the best sound for the recording . Scotty Baldwin would know .. It was cool seeing P Behind the kit to start the show .



But why just this particular tour (ONA?). If it provides the best sound, why not use it on other tours?

Was their something unqiue to the band's arrangment on stage that necessitated it?


Scotty Baldwin has spoke about this, and I can't remember the tech details behind it, but him and P were always looking at ways to tweak and improve the sound.

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A lot of the tour was in small to medium theatre venues, no big arenas, and I'm sure he said that was a factor.

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Reply #10 posted 02/24/23 2:58am

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Farfunknugin said:

lurker316 said:



But why just this particular tour (ONA?). If it provides the best sound, why not use it on other tours?

Was their something unqiue to the band's arrangment on stage that necessitated it?


Who knows , just a theory I had. I wish the rest of the Alladin show would surface because it was a Mother Effer [Edited 2/23/23 18:50pm]

I wish it had also been shot on better cameras, and with more coverage (it seems clear that the rest of the show was cut because there wasn't useable footage - some of what made the final cut wasn't really useable).

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Reply #11 posted 02/24/23 10:17am

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LoveGalore said:

lurker316 said:



But why just this particular tour (ONA?). If it provides the best sound, why not use it on other tours?

Was their something unqiue to the band's arrangment on stage that necessitated it?


Well probably for just what he said. Because he intended to record it for release. To get isolated drums, since the mics would pick up ambient sound anyway. The drums do sound pretty exciting on the album. He wasn't recording the other tours for major releases. ONA tour had a noticeable improvement in live production anyway.

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- Yes, it makes sense.

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Reply #12 posted 02/24/23 11:46am

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dodger07 said:

lurker316 said:



But why just this particular tour (ONA?). If it provides the best sound, why not use it on other tours?

Was their something unqiue to the band's arrangment on stage that necessitated it?


Scotty Baldwin has spoke about this, and I can't remember the tech details behind it, but him and P were always looking at ways to tweak and improve the sound.

.

A lot of the tour was in small to medium theatre venues, no big arenas, and I'm sure he said that was a factor.

Scotty did an 4 hour interview which touched on many things regarding that tour.

https://www.youtube.com/@YesYouCANPlayGuitar

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Reply #13 posted 02/25/23 1:25pm

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dualboot said:

Scotty did an 4 hour interview which touched on many things regarding that tour.

https://www.youtube.com/@YesYouCANPlayGuitar

- Thanks for the link. Cool channel, by the way. Subscribed now. I will watch it

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Reply #14 posted 02/28/23 5:03pm

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Yeah that's a solid channel. I like when these reactors become obsessed with Prince after a couple tastes. Homie's gotta have the least YouTube reactons out of any major "known" artist in history, but it's gotta be something like 50% of those who do actually react become full-on fanatics. That one's basically a Prince channel now.

This Superbowl reaction on another channel two days ago they were like in disbelief, all arguing that no way could he actually be playing the guitar live. Rihanna, Weeknd and the other cookie-cutters have corrupted an entire generation, they don't know what is or isn't a backing track anymore.

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Reply #15 posted 02/28/23 6:26pm

LoveGalore

Scotty is the best sound guy P ever had. Listen to Undertaker any time you need proof.
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Reply #16 posted 03/01/23 1:22am

Vannormal

It was also a fashion thing. Many drummers at the time had it 'on stage'. It looks cool.

Aparently it gives the drummer and his mics on the drums extra sound acoutics. That is what i heard from a drummer explaining this to me recently.

In a studio it sometimes was used when there was no seperate room for the drummer, when recordings were done with all musicians at once.

It is also prevents the loud sound if the drummer is too loud for other musicians close to him/her.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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