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DotsofU

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Batman: What Should Have Been The Singles?

First off - I love the Batman album

I think Batdance is one of his most under-rated pieces of genius - why doesn't anyone ever talk about that guitar solo? Good Grief

Anyway... Sirius had their This Week Back In 1989 episode and Arms of Orion was on there...

I was excited because I have never heard that on the radio - they didn't play it in NY when I was growing up

But oh dear... it did not sound good in that top 40... it was slow and long and clunky

It didn't do that well - I think it reached #37 or #38

As good as the album was... I am not sure what the singles should have been..

Batdance was a given

Partyman - I guess

Then What?

Electric Chair?

The Future? (yes I know it was released internationally)

I remember reviewers repeatedy listing Trust as a potential single.. but eeks, I don't know about that one

What should they have done?

[Edited 12/31/22 16:27pm]

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Reply #1 posted 12/31/22 5:35pm

MrSharon

I think Vicki Waiting would've been a great single if it was a little shorter
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Reply #2 posted 12/31/22 6:43pm

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Batdance

Partyman

Scandalous

The Arms Of Orion

The Future/Electric Chair

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those were the singles

those were the good ones!

what else do you want?

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There were unreleased remixes of "Trust" and "Vicki Waiting"

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Reply #3 posted 12/31/22 11:08pm

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MrSharon said:

I think "Vicki Waiting" would've been a great single if it was a little shorter


Not a terrible choice, actually. I think to use the set for Vicki's apartment, or even the Wayne mansion, with Prince lurking in the shadows, coyly peeking around corners, and singing while we see Bruce & Vicki (and Alfred) in the room talking or whatever would've been pretty fun.

It's interesting because "Batdance,", "Scandalous," and "Partyman" were singles and had videos, "The Arms of Orion" had a single, and he perfromed "The Future" and "Electric Chair" live. He put so much of the album out there. Still feels like there was more to be had. But super cool that "Batdance" went to #1.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #4 posted 01/01/23 1:20am

ShellyMcG

The more I listen to the album, the more I like Electric Chair. I'm not sure what constitutes a "good" single, but that is an excellent song.

I guess, other than Partyman, the most obvious choice for a single in my opinion would have been Trust. For two reasons. First of all, it's a good song. Secondly, and maybe most importantly, it features pretty prominently in a very memorable scene from the movie. I wasn't alive in 1989 but nowadays when a song features that prominently in a movie you know it is a single.

Other than those, I think the singles they chose were pretty much perfect. Although it probably says a lot about my ability to gauge the pop market of the 80s, I would never have chosen Batdance as a single. Given that it was a big hit, I would have been wrong.
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Reply #5 posted 01/01/23 2:35am

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Trust could have been a successful single release. The album was enjoying tremendous exposure, and coupled with the comparatively accessible listening experience this track provides, it would have made for a radio friendly song. Granted, not as memorable as his most famous singles, but in the context of the Batman album, Trust would have been a reasonable release, which would have also leant itself to some remixes as was common for this period.

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Reply #6 posted 01/01/23 11:16am

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Electric Chair should've been the single after Partyman especially after the SNL appearance.
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Reply #7 posted 01/01/23 11:18am

muleFunk

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Orion was released trying to get some Oscar considerations. Backfired on the album.
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Reply #8 posted 01/01/23 11:28am

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muleFunk said:

Electric Chair should've been the single after Partyman especially after the SNL appearance.

YUP!!!

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Reply #9 posted 01/01/23 4:04pm

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ShellyMcG said:

The more I listen to the album, the more I like Electric Chair. I'm not sure what constitutes a "good" single, but that is an excellent song. I guess, other than Partyman, the most obvious choice for a single in my opinion would have been Trust. For two reasons. First of all, it's a good song. Secondly, and maybe most importantly, it features pretty prominently in a very memorable scene from the movie. I wasn't alive in 1989 but nowadays when a song features that prominently in a movie you know it is a single. Other than those, I think the singles they chose were pretty much perfect. Although it probably says a lot about my ability to gauge the pop market of the 80s, I would never have chosen Batdance as a single. Given that it was a big hit, I would have been wrong.

If you enjoy the studio version of Electric Chair, I recommend checking out the 1989 SNL version of it. I think the live version is even better, and it's up there as one of Prince's greatest performances...And as muleFunk noted, it probably made sense to release Electric Chair as a single after that.

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Reply #10 posted 01/01/23 4:21pm

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Had I been the one calling the shots at the time, I would have chosen Partyman, Trust and Electric Chair.

Obviously I'd have missed out on a big hit with Batdance, which I've always been a bit mistified with. I've never really understood why it was selected for the album, yet alone why it sold so well as a single. Sure, the guitar solo is incredible, but the overall composition is a real mess. Kind of a manic collage of whatever Prince was working on at the time. Bits of 200 Balloons, Rave and We Got the Power (all far better tracks in their own right IMO) all smashed together with sudden break neck tempo changes. Props to Prince for making it and WB for putting their faith in it. The fact that it went to number one speaks for itself. I’ve just never understood why myself.

muleFunk said:

Orion was released trying to get some Oscar considerations. Backfired on the album.


Is that true? I had no idea that was the motivation behind releasing it as a single. It's a shame as I usually enjoy Prince and Sheena's collaborations. Orion was a bit of a misstep.

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Reply #11 posted 01/01/23 4:31pm

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muleFunk said:

Orion was released trying to get some Oscar considerations. Backfired on the album.


Yeah, and it wasn't even really in the film, per se. Was it? It wasn't sung, but maybe the melody was somewhere? They should've pushed "Scandalous" as the Oscar consideration, since it was played in the score, and fully in the credits.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #12 posted 01/02/23 4:55am

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Batdance was like prince doing pump up the volume

A cut n paste track.

Those were popular at the time

I think all the right singles were chosen

And a lot of singles were chosen

Not like only one song made it out
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Reply #13 posted 01/02/23 7:15am

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Lemon Crush hasn’t been mentioned. There’s a longer unreleased version that could have made the 12”.

Personally I would have preferred Electric Chair too. By the way, anyone else noticed the similarity in the opening drums on Electric Chair to the unreleased Prince version of Cool Love? Both were recorded May/June 1988, so it’s possible the drum programming was recycled from Cool Love to Electric Chair and when Cool Love was passed to Sheena Easton, Prince tweaked the opening. Eddie Miller was engineer on both tracks, so if anyone has his contact details might be worth asking him about the recordings at that time.
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Reply #14 posted 01/02/23 7:45am

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TrivialPursuit said:



muleFunk said:


Orion was released trying to get some Oscar considerations. Backfired on the album.


Yeah, and it wasn't even really in the film, per se. Was it? It wasn't sung, but maybe the melody was somewhere? They should've pushed "Scandalous" as the Oscar consideration, since it was played in the score, and fully in the credits.



I agree 100% with this.
Especially with the reception Scandalous received even though it was sent to R&B radio.
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Reply #15 posted 01/02/23 7:50am

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VaultCurator said:

Had I been the one calling the shots at the time, I would have chosen Partyman, Trust and Electric Chair.



Obviously I'd have missed out on a big hit with Batdance, which I've always been a bit mistified with. I've never really understood why it was selected for the album, yet alone why it sold so well as a single. Sure, the guitar solo is incredible, but the overall composition is a real mess. Kind of a manic collage of whatever Prince was working on at the time. Bits of 200 Balloons, Rave and We Got the Power (all far better tracks in their own right IMO) all smashed together with sudden break neck tempo changes. Props to Prince for making it and WB for putting their faith in it. The fact that it went to number one speaks for itself. I’ve just never understood why myself.





muleFunk said:


Orion was released trying to get some Oscar considerations. Backfired on the album.


Is that true? I had no idea that was the motivation behind releasing it as a single. It's a shame as I usually enjoy Prince and Sheena's collaborations. Orion was a bit of a misstep.

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I was in college in Nashville and hanging out on Music Row and at the Graffiti Bridge listening party a group of us were talking about this exact topic. One of the Warner Nashville guys said that was the purpose of Orion being released. He said that he disagreed with it but it wasn't his division.
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Reply #16 posted 01/02/23 8:21am

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I like this album but do the songs fit in the film?

Im not so sure.
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Reply #17 posted 01/02/23 9:54am

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nayroo2002 said:

Batdance

Partyman

Scandalous

The Arms Of Orion

The Future/Electric Chair

.

those were the singles

those were the good ones!

what else do you want?

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There were unreleased remixes of "Trust" and "Vicki Waiting"

I think my point - which I didn't make very clear - was:

The album was looking like it could be a monster

Batdance was a giant hit

Partyman did decent enough top 20, the video was played a TON

Scandalous did great too, top 5 soul chart, that one was on Video Soul all the time

But once Partyman and Scandalous were done - it all just stopped

Ultimately, I think it sold 2 million but given the hype and the huge head start - shouldn't this have done even more?

And yes, I know sales don't matter but I was a huge Billboard chart geek growing up - it's just engrained in my brain to think about this stuff

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Reply #18 posted 01/02/23 11:17am

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Partyman, Trust, Scandalous, and Batdance.
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Reply #19 posted 01/02/23 11:42am

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muleFunk said:

Electric Chair should've been the single after Partyman especially after the SNL appearance.

I agree. I think Electric Chair would have done well as a single.
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Reply #20 posted 01/02/23 4:02pm

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MIRvmn1 said:

muleFunk said:
Electric Chair should've been the single after Partyman especially after the SNL appearance.
I agree. I think Electric Chair would have done well as a single.


Yeah, if folks liked "Let's Go Crazy," or "U Got The Look," they would've liked "Electric Chair."

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #21 posted 01/06/23 7:15pm

Electric2k

I think the William Orbit remix of the "The Future" should have been the second single.

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Reply #22 posted 01/09/23 9:19am

Krid

I think Trust (possibly in a remix form) and then The Future would have been perfect singles 2 and 3 - it would have been great "industrial funk" and picked up on Batman soundwise... And: I never really liked Partyman that much (and I guess same goes for the general public)

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Reply #23 posted 01/09/23 2:49pm

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Trust should have been a single.
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Reply #24 posted 01/10/23 6:57am

LoveGalore

6 singles on a 8 song album. I don't think single choice was the issue.
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