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Reply #30 posted 01/08/23 12:08pm

CynicKill

I agree I see a lot of disparaging things said about Billie Eilish's inclusion on this list but to me she's one of the better singers on here. The only thing that might be a legit criticism is her relative newness. But if you listen to songs like "Your Power", "Everybody Dies" or "My Future" it's obvious the girl can sing.

Billie Eilish (Singer-Songwriter) - On This Day

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Reply #31 posted 01/08/23 12:13pm

CynicKill

And I think I know how Celine Dion got left off.

The voters were probably given a ballot of their top ten singers.

Celine Dion is a member of what is known as the Vocal Trinity along with Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey.

I can almost gaurantee that voters voted for their fave between the three and obviously their faves broke down evenly between Whitney and Mariah considering their high showings.

People who voted for Billie Eilish, Lana Del Rey and Courtney Love didn't vote for either one, leaving Celine with a woefully low voter turnout.

Bruder von Céline Dion an Krebs gestorben - WELT

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Reply #32 posted 01/08/23 1:02pm

LoveGalore

Vannormal said:



TrivialPursuit said:


And somehow they missed Celine Dion???Like her or not, she has a voice that is amazing. I'm not a huge fan of hers, and generally skip her music. But I can recognize a great singer when I hear one.Yet Bob Dylan, who's been singing through his nose for 50 years, gets on the list??Rolling Stone said these were the best singers, not the best voices. A pale attempt at a save.



It's not a perfect singing technique that makes one a great singer or having a great voice.


Listen to most of the contemporary RnB singers and you know what i mean.


I prefer Bob's nose singing over all those youngsters with long fake nails and plastic faces tbh.


Alghough, Billy Eilish is a super big talent for me when it comes to 'voices', although her range is limited. Same goes for Beyoncé's siter or Meshell NdegeOcello, Mavis Staples, Nina Simone... Just Sayin'



It's interesting that you call out what young women LOOK like to compare them to what Bob Dylan SOUNDS like.

Bob Dylan is a horrible singer with an atrocious voice. He is the quintessential songwriter who should've stayed behind the scenes. Nevermind that he looks like a domesticated raccoon.
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Reply #33 posted 01/08/23 7:07pm

PJMcGee

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I used to think the same way about Dylan. (I still think that way about Lou Reed and Leonard Cohen.) But then I saw Scorsese's No Direction Home. His brilliance as a songwriter comes across, of course, but no one can deliver his words like he can - in a good way.

Give me 12 Dylans before 1 Max Martin hit factory. (I love some Martin, but it's a much less personal kind of thing.)
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Reply #34 posted 01/10/23 11:59am

Vannormal

LoveGalore said:

Vannormal said:

It's not a perfect singing technique that makes one a great singer or having a great voice.

Listen to most of the contemporary RnB singers and you know what i mean.

I prefer Bob's nose singing over all those youngsters with long fake nails and plastic faces tbh.

Alghough, Billy Eilish is a super big talent for me when it comes to 'voices', although her range is limited. Same goes for Beyoncé's siter or Meshell NdegeOcello, Mavis Staples, Nina Simone... Just Sayin'

It's interesting that you call out what young women LOOK like to compare them to what Bob Dylan SOUNDS like. Bob Dylan is a horrible singer with an atrocious voice. He is the quintessential songwriter who should've stayed behind the scenes. Nevermind that he looks like a domesticated raccoon.

Exactly. go figure. wink

Bob Dylan is by far a fantastic and 'most' original singer. He is so much more than his voice.

He is in this case the perfect example why a technical perfect voice with any range is not interesting (enough) for most voters (apparently).

Why else would he be so much more a bigger artist than all the Celine D's, Whitney H's and Mariah C's altogether?

Probably those three fantastic ladies (don't get me wrong, they ARE fantastic! I love them) will not

survive the test of time, but uncle Bob will.

Bob Dylan is so much more lyrical, musical, as a human, his contribution to so many other things, political, social, musical, story telling wise, etc...

And those three (again) wonderful ladies just don't have that. Period.

And his voice is just an instrument for all his being, in his complete package as the widely known 'Bob Dylan'.

Looks don't matter here, it's the complete picture.

'Dylan' as a name has become a serious statement. Even if you like him or not. Those three women IMHO are not even halfway the range of Chaka Khan for that matter.

I personally only have two Dylan albums. I'm not much into his music, but I can say how important he is, and his voice is therefor more than relevant and so recognisable.

I would even add Tom Waits to the list. Don't know if he's on there.

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By the way, there were moments when Prince also looked like a domesticated raccoon. wink)))

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #35 posted 01/14/23 8:14pm

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An 1980's teen, I've watched Rolling Stone kiss Dylan's ass for damn near 40 years. But this takes the cake. Dylan is succsessful in spite of his singing; Not bacuase of it. Great poet? Yes. Great song writer? Sure. Singer? NO. Above Prince, Elvis, Marvin Nina, and 4 octave range Paul? NO.

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Reply #36 posted 01/15/23 11:03am

TurnItUp

Prince was getting his flowers when he was still here, it's just continuing after his transition. Also I"m not the biggest MJ, but that was hella disrespectful to put him down to #86. Regardless of Michaels trials and tribulations, there is and only be one MJ and you WILL NOT erase his legacy.

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Reply #37 posted 01/15/23 11:44am

LOSTPASSWORDMA
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Anyone got a link to the outtake 'Moving On Up The Lists'?

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Reply #38 posted 01/20/23 3:12pm

WhisperingDand
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Rolling Stone consistently #1 in my Top 100 shitty composers of arbitrary music rank lists.

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Reply #39 posted 01/20/23 3:16pm

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PJMcGee said:

I used to think the same way about Dylan. (I still think that way about Lou Reed and Leonard Cohen.) But then I saw Scorsese's No Direction Home. His brilliance as a songwriter comes across, of course, but no one can deliver his words like he can - in a good way. Give me 12 Dylans before 1 Max Martin hit factory. (I love some Martin, but it's a much less personal kind of thing.)

Cohen's marvelous, but Lou Reed is clearly doing his attempt at a Dylan xerox. The only vocals worse than Dylan are Dylan karoke.

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