love2thenines2003 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Then that's exactly what you'll receive.

Yes like a lot of us ....i don't live in a parallel world !!

I don't know what that means, so it doesn't mean anything to me.

TrivialPursuit said:

I should add - I believe SOTT SDE was such a huge and anticipated release, that a full year - at least - for it to absorb feels like a reaosnable approach.

And yes, sometimes fans expecting one SDE per year is being spoiled... to an extent. Of course to me it sounds reasonable, but the money put into these things front to back is a lot, and fans aren't the only ones buying them either. So - again that's a spoiled fan talking. It's what we expect, but the general public doesn't, and the estate is selling records to everyone.

The estate may be hoping to sell records to everyone, but their core audience (people buying the most records) are the diehard fans. So they should cater to their audience. That's how you make money. And there is certainly a market within fandom to sell one SDE per year.

You accuse us of not knowing what the Estate is thinking. That's true, but neither do you. Yet you come back and lecture all of us about what *you* think is going through the Estate's minds. You insist (not suggest as a possiblity, but state it as a fact) they they're intentionally spacing out SDEs over several years because, to them, that makes business sense. How do you know that? You don't. You're speculating like the rest of us, but have convinced yourself that your blind guessing is somehow more valid than ours. And even if that is the Estate's mindset, that doesn't make it automatically valid.

laytonian said:

Remember, Sharon Nelson clearly stated in August that anything previously announced is now off the table. Watch for something "special" from her in her private NYE party at Paisley. It won't be good

I won't be waiting for that one.

lurker316 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I should add - I believe SOTT SDE was such a huge and anticipated release, that a full year - at least - for it to absorb feels like a reaosnable approach.

And yes, sometimes fans expecting one SDE per year is being spoiled... to an extent. Of course to me it sounds reasonable, but the money put into these things front to back is a lot, and fans aren't the only ones buying them either. So - again that's a spoiled fan talking. It's what we expect, but the general public doesn't, and the estate is selling records to everyone.

The estate may be hoping to sell records to everyone, but their core audience (people buying the most records) are the diehard fans. So they should cater to their audience. That's how you make money. And there is certainly a market within fandom to sell one SDE per year.

You accuse us of not knowing what the Estate is thinking. That's true, but neither do you. Yet you come back and lecture all of us about what *you* think is going through the Estate's minds.

Listen, I get the fanbase are the ones buying this shit. But they aren't only thinking about that, is what I'm saying. There is a whole damn United States and beyond that buys records. And musicologists, etc will buy it, maybe someone as a gift, maybe someone out of sheer curiosity. Who knows.

I never said I knew what the estate is thinking, nor am I lecturing. I'm talking solely from a wider, general business view, not Prince's estate. God only knows what they're thinking about anything at anytime.

And just because I believe something doesn't mean I'm insisting on it. I'm not trying to convince anyone. This is just how I see it. Clearly others see it another way, and yet others see it different, still. All views are valid. It's fine to speculate, or even have a solid opinion on something. Opinions can and will change over time. Because none of us know what they're going to do.

I'm saying with SOTT SDE is made sense to me, with it being such a huge and anticipated release, that to follow it with other huge stuff right away (like Parade or Diamonds and Pearls, which have been hotly debated around these parts and would be more than welcomed any ol' fuckin' day now, frankly) that to let SOTT SDE absorb feels logical. Is it? Maybe. Was it their idea? Maybe. Is it that they don't have anything else planned when SOTT SDE was coming out? Maybe. People close to the inside have said both of those albums are in SDE form and ready to go. I took that with a grain of salt, but it was viable enough to consider - hmmmm, maybe SOTT needs its time to percolate before another one this big comes out.

Hell, we're all "lecturing" or pontificating what we think they're doing. But yes, none of us know.

(Let's not even get started on them re-doing Purple Rain for the 100th time to get the remaster right and the extras right, etc.) I will say I'm pretty surprised that even Sony Legacy hasn't done much in 2022 with older releases on purple vinyl (a kitschy move, if you ask me, but to each his own). I didn't even buy The Time on vinyl. But I do have the Neapolitan Ice Cream Castles from a few years ago.

It's hilarious to me that people are trying to tear down the Purple Rain album... Are you people nuts?!! That was perfection when it came out in 1984 and I was stunned when I first heard "When Doves Cry" on the radio... You people are

mclihah2 said:

To say this is mismanaged would be an understatement - Also, Prince fans are just getting older and older - I consider myself to be a late starter as a Prince fan - Was 16 when it really happened - I'm 50 now - We'll all be dying off. or getting too old to care in the next few decades

The overwhelming majority of the money is to be made by the fans who were alive when Prince was - Give me a goddamn new album a month - I'm old enough to pay for it.

To drip feed the music would be a stupid attitude - Our numbers will dwindle, and there's no chance of a Prince fan resurgence.

Anyway, I'm just shouting in the wind, and/or preaching to the converted

Sigh

I co-sign this completely !

paisleyparkgirl said:

mclihah2 said:

To say this is mismanaged would be an understatement - Also, Prince fans are just getting older and older - I consider myself to be a late starter as a Prince fan - Was 16 when it really happened - I'm 50 now - We'll all be dying off. or getting too old to care in the next few decades

The overwhelming majority of the money is to be made by the fans who were alive when Prince was - Give me a goddamn new album a month - I'm old enough to pay for it.

To drip feed the music would be a stupid attitude - Our numbers will dwindle, and there's no chance of a Prince fan resurgence.

Anyway, I'm just shouting in the wind, and/or preaching to the converted

Sigh

I also think that they need to find something to cater to the Gen Z generation to keep his legacy alive.

The youngins seem to love him, he was recently featured on some tik tok challenge (Cuff it). The estate should look into that as well.

The ''challenge'' thing on tik-tok will dissapear too... because generation Z will grow up... too.

One year for them is like a decade.

purplethunder3121 said:

It's hilarious to me that people are trying to tear down the Purple Rain album... Are you people nuts?!! That was perfection when it came out in 1984 and I was stunned when I first heard "When Doves Cry" on the radio... You people are

Who's tearing that down? It's a supreme album.

purplethunder3121 said:

LoveGalore said:

No, they're not really tearing PR down even if they appear to critique it. The problem is that we've had, by my count, 3 different reissues of this album since his death, that about 2.5 posthumous albums are related to it, and even worse is that we are coming up on it's 40th anniversary so yet more releases of debatable quality. The PR DE was an entire disaster from the insane mastering on the album to the fact the outtakes are sourced from literal cassette tapes. It's just so much awful mediocrity when it all could've (should've?) come out together ala Bowie's era retrospectives.

All of your statement is valid of course, but this is what you're so spot on with. And that was my point mentioning the album. Maybe others just glazed over my statement, finding things that weren't there.

TrivialPursuit said:

love2thenines2003 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

All of your statement is valid of course, but this is what you're so spot on with. And that was my point mentioning the album. Maybe others just glazed over my statement, finding things that weren't there.

This summer Sharon....Charles Spicer among others in MC Millan team said that SDE were too much to cost to produce...they lost money with these kind of stuff...so ...were are cleavers and we understand what that means ... Sharon said too the past summer that all the projects...Parade SDE...D&P etc...discuted and worked by The Estate under Comerica era ..are off the table....so we have I suppose a drawing of the future....licencing the back catalogue will be their priorities...The previous Estate was worked by fans ( Howe.. Mathieu Bitton...)for fans...this is not the case anymore but don't worry, you always be able to buy...mugs...clothes...posters and Calendar from the Estate.. it's enough to make us happy...u see ! I see the future...and it will be...(hope to be 100% wrong of course ) [Edited 12/13/22 0:20am] [Edited 12/13/22 0:22am] [Edited 12/13/22 0:22am] [Edited 12/13/22 0:23am] [Edited 12/13/22 0:23am] [Edited 12/13/22 0:24am]

Well it would be just stupid for them to not release the Parade and D&P SDEs since they were ready
to go from all reports we heard. So if they now have the rights to do what they please with all that
material, they could simply choose to release the actual music and skip on elaborate art and boxes
and 38 LPs for all the Gangster Glam remixes. That should reduce the cost considerably.

There are ways to release vault content and make a profit at the same time, while also releasing a
bunch of jackets, mugs, slippers, tshirts, bedsheets, toothbrushes etc.

So many things could be tried there. Like keep the package of a 6 disc remaster simple and focus
on the music and sound quality. Then have extra stuff surrounding that release and 'new' artwork
with unseen photo's publishes on mugs and tshirts and posters etc that make a nice profit.

But the music itself makes a profit too, if the release strategy isn't a total vanity project.

giorgio said:

giorgio said:

Who says SDEs are the only way? If they are not profitable maybe it’s time to explore different forms of making the music heard and keeping it alive. Revive a NPG music club, invite artists to curate a purple pick of the week, in the spirit the man himself dropped single songs regularly in the last years before his passing, even digital only. Let the music and its quality speak for itself, no need to put it into costly packages all of the time.

I fully agree with the bold parts.

But not revive the NPG Music Club. The idea and name was a bad one to begin with, imho.

Certainly among us fans there were split emotions and opinions back in time.

It just didn't work properly tbh, with promises as valuable as Prince's constant change of mind and announcements, remeber? Although back then, that was also 'a way' by Prince to keep the low general interest alive.

Vannormal said:

laytonian said:

Don't forget that Sharon, McMillan/Koppelman-dead guy or whatever are only 50 % of the power. The "costly" SDEs had to fund the estate operations and taxation. Now SNJ and Primary Wave have to work together to drive profits their way while all funding Paisley. How did Sharron get in charge? Norrington is still there and John died. Don't they have heirs?

PW doesn't care .....PW is just interrested by Money/$$$ like Mc Millan-Sharon team...PW has no knowledge of Prince's legacy in the Vault....Licencing back catalogue will be their priorities & Sharon said in August that SDE cost to much to produce & she is a pure Jehova Witnesses....no explicit lyrics admited in songs....i let u imagine what kind of Vault Songs might be pulled off any projects ...u can see the picture of what Future might be ?

I'd be happy with one SDE a year, even if the release was 100% digital.

love2thenines2003 said:

laytonian said:

Don't forget that Sharon, McMillan/Koppelman-dead guy or whatever are only 50 % of the power. The "costly" SDEs had to fund the estate operations and taxation. Now SNJ and Primary Wave have to work together to drive profits their way while all funding Paisley. How did Sharron get in charge? Norrington is still there and John died. Don't they have heirs?

PW doesn't care .....PW is just interrested by Money/$$$ like Mc Millan-Sharon team...PW has no knowledge of Prince's legacy in the Vault....Licencing back catalogue will be their priorities & Sharon said in August that SDE cost to much to produce & she is a pure Jehova Witnesses....no explicit lyrics admited in songs....i let u imagine what kind of Vault Songs might be pulled off any projects ...u can see the picture of what Future might be ?

Let's not act like Sharon is calling the shots here. She is only one heir.

love2thenines2003 said:

laytonian said:

Don't forget that Sharon, McMillan/Koppelman-dead guy or whatever are only 50 % of the power. The "costly" SDEs had to fund the estate operations and taxation. Now SNJ and Primary Wave have to work together to drive profits their way while all funding Paisley. How did Sharron get in charge? Norrington is still there and John died. Don't they have heirs?

PW doesn't care .....PW is just interrested by Money/$$$ like Mc Millan-Sharon team...PW has no knowledge of Prince's legacy in the Vault....Licencing back catalogue will be their priorities & Sharon said in August that SDE cost to much to produce & she is a pure Jehova Witnesses....no explicit lyrics admited in songs....i let u imagine what kind of Vault Songs might be pulled off any projects ...u can see the picture of what Future might be ?

there's still a ton of 2000 and onward recordings that should be absolutely fine to release then

johnpiex said:

love2thenines2003 said:

PW doesn't care .....PW is just interrested by Money/$$$ like Mc Millan-Sharon team...PW has no knowledge of Prince's legacy in the Vault....Licencing back catalogue will be their priorities & Sharon said in August that SDE cost to much to produce & she is a pure Jehova Witnesses....no explicit lyrics admited in songs....i let u imagine what kind of Vault Songs might be pulled off any projects ...u can see the picture of what Future might be ?

Let's not act like Sharon is calling the shots here. She is only one heir.

She may be only one, but perhaps each has veto power? We don't know the arrangment of their partnership.

LILpoundCAKE said:

love2thenines2003 said:

PW doesn't care .....PW is just interrested by Money/$$$ like Mc Millan-Sharon team...PW has no knowledge of Prince's legacy in the Vault....Licencing back catalogue will be their priorities & Sharon said in August that SDE cost to much to produce & she is a pure Jehova Witnesses....no explicit lyrics admited in songs....i let u imagine what kind of Vault Songs might be pulled off any projects ...u can see the picture of what Future might be ?

there's still a ton of 2000 and onward recordings that should be absolutely fine to release then

I would be down with that. Unlike many Prince fans, I love the post-200 era (check out my posts in the 2004-2016 era thread).

lurker316 said:

LILpoundCAKE said:

there's still a ton of 2000 and onward recordings that should be absolutely fine to release then

I would be down with that. Unlike many Prince fans, I love the post-200 era (check out my posts in the 2004-2016 era thread).

I love that era too, anything from 2000 onward is welcome in my book.

lurker316 said:

I would be down with that. Unlike many Prince fans, I love the post-200 era (check out my posts in the 2004-2016 era thread).

Oh. So you're the one, then.

TrivialPursuit said:

lurker316 said:

I would be down with that. Unlike many Prince fans, I love the post-2000 era (check out my posts in the 2004-2016 era thread).

Oh. So you're the one, then.

Yes, I'm an outlier. I recognize that.

Vannormal said:

...But not revive the NPG Music Club. The idea and name was a bad one to begin with, imho...

The Nature Publishing Group also thought the idea and name were bad!

https://ttabvue.uspto.gov...&eno=1

NPGMC shut down just a couple days after Nature Publishing Group (NPG) filed their opposition to PP's trademark application. PP wanted to get a trademark on NPGMC in class 35, which would include online retailing of books. NPG for some reason thought consumers might get confused, though I doubt the books Prince might have sold would have been mistaken for journals about the latest findings in science and medicine, lol.

This concludes today's blast from the past.

CandaceS said:

Vannormal said:

...But not revive the NPG Music Club. The idea and name was a bad one to begin with, imho...

The Nature Publishing Group also thought the idea and name were bad!

https://ttabvue.uspto.gov...&eno=1

NPGMC shut down just a couple days after Nature Publishing Group (NPG) filed their opposition to PP's trademark application. PP wanted to get a trademark on NPGMC in class 35, which would include online retailing of books. NPG for some reason thought consumers might get confused, though I doubt the books Prince might have sold would have been mistaken for journals about the latest findings in science and medicine, lol.

This concludes today's blast from the past.

ah yes, I remember that.