Thread started 12/08/22 7:55pmSteelclawz |
Still no mention of a new album yet for 2022 or 2023 ? 2 years of nothing and they are sitting on thousands of unreleased songs and albums ...
has anyone heard anything from the estate?
are they waiting for Prince to barely be a memory like Elvis?
I dont know a lot about marketing albums, but one thing seems pretty obvious ... we are ready to buy anything new, and the iron is hot right now ... so they should strike while the irons hot
i just dont get it..
They said they have albums for the next hundred years if they released one album a year ... and still there's plenty more songs in the vault besides that ...
i just dont get it...
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Reply #1 posted 12/09/22 2:59am
mclihah2
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To say this is mismanaged would be an understatement - Also, Prince fans are just getting older and older - I consider myself to be a late starter as a Prince fan - Was 16 when it really happened - I'm 50 now - We'll all be dying off. or getting too old to care in the next few decades
The overwhelming majority of the money is to be made by the fans who were alive when Prince was - Give me a goddamn new album a month - I'm old enough to pay for it.
To drip feed the music would be a stupid attitude - Our numbers will dwindle, and there's no chance of a Prince fan resurgence.
Anyway, I'm just shouting in the wind, and/or preaching to the converted
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Reply #2 posted 12/09/22 4:53am
gubbins4ever |
I don't think the dry spell has been because of mismanagement or a lack of a desire to release content. It's been the result of the legal issues around the estate wrapping up and the new regime of the heirs and Primary Wave taking over, which only happened back in August. I imagine it takes a while to figure out and execute the new direction but one would think that we'll start to see a flow of music in 2023. |
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Reply #3 posted 12/09/22 6:20am
lurker316
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mclihah2 said:
To say this is mismanaged would be an understatement - Also, Prince fans are just getting older and older - I consider myself to be a late starter as a Prince fan - Was 16 when it really happened - I'm 50 now - We'll all be dying off. or getting too old to care in the next few decades
The overwhelming majority of the money is to be made by the fans who were alive when Prince was - Give me a goddamn new album a month - I'm old enough to pay for it.
To drip feed the music would be a stupid attitude - Our numbers will dwindle, and there's no chance of a Prince fan resurgence.
Anyway, I'm just shouting in the wind, and/or preaching to the converted
Sigh
Co-sign
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Reply #4 posted 12/09/22 7:50am
paisleyparkgir l
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mclihah2 said:
To say this is mismanaged would be an understatement - Also, Prince fans are just getting older and older - I consider myself to be a late starter as a Prince fan - Was 16 when it really happened - I'm 50 now - We'll all be dying off. or getting too old to care in the next few decades
The overwhelming majority of the money is to be made by the fans who were alive when Prince was - Give me a goddamn new album a month - I'm old enough to pay for it.
To drip feed the music would be a stupid attitude - Our numbers will dwindle, and there's no chance of a Prince fan resurgence.
Anyway, I'm just shouting in the wind, and/or preaching to the converted
Sigh
I also think that they need to find something to cater to the Gen Z generation to keep his legacy alive.
The youngins seem to love him, he was recently featured on some tik tok challenge (Cuff it). The estate should look into that as well. |
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Reply #5 posted 12/09/22 8:18am
LoveGalore |
paisleyparkgirl said:
mclihah2 said:
To say this is mismanaged would be an understatement - Also, Prince fans are just getting older and older - I consider myself to be a late starter as a Prince fan - Was 16 when it really happened - I'm 50 now - We'll all be dying off. or getting too old to care in the next few decades
The overwhelming majority of the money is to be made by the fans who were alive when Prince was - Give me a goddamn new album a month - I'm old enough to pay for it.
To drip feed the music would be a stupid attitude - Our numbers will dwindle, and there's no chance of a Prince fan resurgence.
Anyway, I'm just shouting in the wind, and/or preaching to the converted
Sigh
I also think that they need to find something to cater to the Gen Z generation to keep his legacy alive. The youngins seem to love him, he was recently featured on some tik tok challenge (Cuff it). The estate should look into that as well. Prince's legacy cannot be interrupted by a lack of new fans or record sales. What he's done is cemented in time forever. Nobody buys records these days anyway. So what the estate SHOULD do is not shit on his existing, old coot fans who bout to die and perhaps release some of those deep purple concord jams. |
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Reply #6 posted 12/09/22 10:17am
madison |
lurker316 said:
mclihah2 said:
To say this is mismanaged would be an understatement - Also, Prince fans are just getting older and older - I consider myself to be a late starter as a Prince fan - Was 16 when it really happened - I'm 50 now - We'll all be dying off. or getting too old to care in the next few decades
The overwhelming majority of the money is to be made by the fans who were alive when Prince was - Give me a goddamn new album a month - I'm old enough to pay for it.
To drip feed the music would be a stupid attitude - Our numbers will dwindle, and there's no chance of a Prince fan resurgence.
Anyway, I'm just shouting in the wind, and/or preaching to the converted
Sigh
Co-sign
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Reply #7 posted 12/09/22 12:26pm
TrivialPursuit
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Steelclawz said:
has anyone heard anything from the estate?
If anyone heard something, it'd be here en masse.
Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking. |
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Reply #8 posted 12/09/22 12:46pm
LoveGalore |
TrivialPursuit said:
Steelclawz said:
has anyone heard anything from the estate?
If anyone heard something, it'd be here en masse.
Acting like we out here keeping secrets. Look how thirsty the org is! |
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Reply #9 posted 12/09/22 12:57pm
Reply #10 posted 12/09/22 2:09pm
TrivialPursuit
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LoveGalore said:
TrivialPursuit said:
If anyone heard something, it'd be here en masse.
Acting like we out here keeping secrets. Look how thirsty the org is!
Right? AND as if someone on here has some inside track. And if they do, they're probably precluded from ever saying anything about it until it actually happens anyway, lest they burn that bridge of confidence. So for someone to "hear anything from the estate" is sort of a moot point anyway.
When they want folks to know, we'll know. Periodt!
Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking. |
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Reply #11 posted 12/09/22 2:44pm
lust
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The estate have changed direction and have decided that the best way to honour Prince’s legacy is to sell cheap merch such as redundant calendars, crappy t shirts and overpriced polyester sheets.
It’s a good business model as they don’t need to worry about curating and compiling music and have no shortage of people willing to enable them by buying all their shit.
If you want music, stop buying mugs and the same shit in a different colour vinyl. If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it! |
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Reply #12 posted 12/09/22 3:25pm
madison |
lust said: The estate have changed direction and have decided that the best way to honour Prince’s legacy is to sell cheap merch such as redundant calendars, crappy t shirts and overpriced polyester sheets.
It’s a good business model as they don’t need to worry about curating and compiling music and have no shortage of people willing to enable them by buying all their shit.
If you want music, stop buying mugs and the same shit in a different colour vinyl. Well said !!! |
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Reply #13 posted 12/09/22 3:27pm
SoulAlive |
mclihah2 said:
To say this is mismanaged would be an understatement - Also, Prince fans are just getting older and older - I consider myself to be a late starter as a Prince fan - Was 16 when it really happened - I'm 50 now - We'll all be dying off. or getting too old to care in the next few decades
The overwhelming majority of the money is to be made by the fans who were alive when Prince was - Give me a goddamn new album a month - I'm old enough to pay for it.
To drip feed the music would be a stupid attitude - Our numbers will dwindle, and there's no chance of a Prince fan resurgence.
Anyway, I'm just shouting in the wind, and/or preaching to the converted
Sigh
I couldn't have said it better myself.Release the music now while we are still around to purchase and enjoy it! |
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Reply #14 posted 12/09/22 3:36pm
TrivialPursuit
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The real problem here isn't the estate.
It's the fans.
Prince fans - because Prince is probably the most bootlegged artist in history - are spoiled. They are so used to a leak spreading like wildfire, especially in the digital age, that to not have something in their greedy paws every six months is just an assault on their senses.
Well, get over it. Of course I want something new, too. The top thing on my list? Parade Special Deluxe Edition. Will I get it in 2023? Maybe. Maybe not. Is me going on the Org or elsewhere with a dumb faced expression, pouting out "I just don't get it" change it? Nope.
You, we, don't need to get it. We aren't running the estate. And just because they aren't doing what we wish they wouldn't doesn't mean they're doing it wrong. No one here has run a dead rock star's estate, remastered their music, and developed a business plan that will keep the estate monetized and liquid.
So, maybe just settle down. When it happens, it happens. Leave it to the folks who are already ten steps ahead of you. Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking. |
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Reply #15 posted 12/10/22 8:35am
lurker316
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TrivialPursuit said:
The real problem here isn't the estate.
It's the fans.
Prince fans - because Prince is probably the most bootlegged artist in history - are spoiled. They are so used to a leak spreading like wildfire, especially in the digital age, that to not have something in their greedy paws every six months is just an assault on their senses.
Well, get over it. Of course I want something new, too. The top thing on my list? Parade Special Deluxe Edition. Will I get it in 2023? Maybe. Maybe not. Is me going on the Org or elsewhere with a dumb faced expression, pouting out "I just don't get it" change it? Nope.
You, we, don't need to get it. We aren't running the estate. And just because they aren't doing what we wish they wouldn't doesn't mean they're doing it wrong. No one here has run a dead rock star's estate, remastered their music, and developed a business plan that will keep the estate monetized and liquid.
So, maybe just settle down. When it happens, it happens. Leave it to the folks who are already ten steps ahead of you.
I couldn't disagree more.
All the fans (at least the resasonable ones) expect is one SDE edition per year. Do you really think that's "spoiled"??? One friggin' album per year is neither unrealistic or greedy.
And do you really think the people running the Estate, just because of the position they're in, automatically know what they're doing? We fans should simply assume they know what's best? Most of them have never managed a rock star's estate either, so they have no more experience than us fans.
Yes, they are being advised by proper business people from within the industry, and now Primary Wave is involved. But a.) that doesn't mean the Estate is listening to them. And b.) those advisers and Primary Wave are not infallible. Experienced business people in positions of power make bad choices and screw things up all the time. Contrary to what you're suggesting, they're not above question or critique.
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Reply #16 posted 12/10/22 8:37am
LoveGalore |
lurker316 said:
TrivialPursuit said:
The real problem here isn't the estate.
It's the fans.
Prince fans - because Prince is probably the most bootlegged artist in history - are spoiled. They are so used to a leak spreading like wildfire, especially in the digital age, that to not have something in their greedy paws every six months is just an assault on their senses.
Well, get over it. Of course I want something new, too. The top thing on my list? Parade Special Deluxe Edition. Will I get it in 2023? Maybe. Maybe not. Is me going on the Org or elsewhere with a dumb faced expression, pouting out "I just don't get it" change it? Nope.
You, we, don't need to get it. We aren't running the estate. And just because they aren't doing what we wish they wouldn't doesn't mean they're doing it wrong. No one here has run a dead rock star's estate, remastered their music, and developed a business plan that will keep the estate monetized and liquid.
So, maybe just settle down. When it happens, it happens. Leave it to the folks who are already ten steps ahead of you.
I couldn't disagree more.
All the fans (at least the resasonable ones) expect is one SDE edition per year. Do you really think that's "spoiled"??? One friggin' album per year is neither unrealistic or greedy.
And do you really think the people running the Estate, just because of the position they're in, automatically know what they're doing? We fans should simply assume they know what's best? Most of them have never managed a rock star's estate either, so they have no more experience than us fans.
Yes, they are being advised by proper business people from within the industry, and now Primary Wave is involved. But a.) that doesn't mean the Estate is listening to them. And b.) those advisers and Primary Wave are not infallible. Experienced business people in positions of power make bad choices and screw things up all the time. Contrary to what you're suggesting, they're not above question or critique.
Right but all you have are theories on your side. That's not as useful as industry pros. |
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Reply #17 posted 12/10/22 10:16am
dodger07
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I’m expecting an announcement from Sharon N and OMG Productions for a John L Nelson piano album in the new year |
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Reply #18 posted 12/10/22 12:44pm
johnpiex
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I'm afraid it's going to take awhile. I've heard Sharon has taken to remastering the entire catalog herself, to make sure we get "that good sound." |
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Reply #19 posted 12/10/22 12:46pm
purplethunder3 121 |
dodger07 said:
I’m expecting an announcement from Sharon N and OMG Productions for a John L Nelson piano album in the new year
"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Reply #20 posted 12/10/22 1:29pm
lust
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lurker316 said:
TrivialPursuit said:
The real problem here isn't the estate.
It's the fans.
Prince fans - because Prince is probably the most bootlegged artist in history - are spoiled. They are so used to a leak spreading like wildfire, especially in the digital age, that to not have something in their greedy paws every six months is just an assault on their senses.
Well, get over it. Of course I want something new, too. The top thing on my list? Parade Special Deluxe Edition. Will I get it in 2023? Maybe. Maybe not. Is me going on the Org or elsewhere with a dumb faced expression, pouting out "I just don't get it" change it? Nope.
You, we, don't need to get it. We aren't running the estate. And just because they aren't doing what we wish they wouldn't doesn't mean they're doing it wrong. No one here has run a dead rock star's estate, remastered their music, and developed a business plan that will keep the estate monetized and liquid.
So, maybe just settle down. When it happens, it happens. Leave it to the folks who are already ten steps ahead of you.
I couldn't disagree more.
All the fans (at least the resasonable ones) expect is one SDE edition per year. Do you really think that's "spoiled"??? One friggin' album per year is neither unrealistic or greedy.
And do you really think the people running the Estate, just because of the position they're in, automatically know what they're doing? We fans should simply assume they know what's best? Most of them have never managed a rock star's estate either, so they have no more experience than us fans.
Yes, they are being advised by proper business people from within the industry, and now Primary Wave is involved. But a.) that doesn't mean the Estate is listening to them. And b.) those advisers and Primary Wave are not infallible. Experienced business people in positions of power make bad choices and screw things up all the time. Contrary to what you're suggesting, they're not above question or critique.
Spot on. If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it! |
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Reply #21 posted 12/10/22 1:29pm
lust
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johnpiex said: I'm afraid it's going to take awhile. I've heard Sharon has taken to remastering the entire catalog herself, to make sure we get "that good sound." If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it! |
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Reply #22 posted 12/10/22 2:05pm
giorgio
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Whatever the reason for all this. Not only would I would love to hear unheard music. I find it all quite sad and I truly hope folks in charge will find a way in the future, while doing his rich legacy justice, translate it into some reissue model with respect beyond overpriced plastic slippers and bedsheets and junk. |
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Reply #23 posted 12/10/22 4:09pm
TrivialPursuit
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I should add - I believe SOTT SDE was such a huge and anticipated release, that a full year - at least - for it to absorb feels like a reaosnable approach.
And yes, sometimes fans expecting one SDE per year is being spoiled... to an extent. Of course to me it sounds reasonable, but the money put into these things front to back is a lot, and fans aren't the only ones buying them either. So - again that's a spoiled fan talking. It's what we expect, but the general public doesn't, and the estate is selling records to everyone. Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking. |
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Reply #24 posted 12/11/22 1:09am
love2thenines2 003
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TrivialPursuit said: I should add - I believe SOTT SDE was such a huge and anticipated release, that a full year - at least - for it to absorb feels like a reaosnable approach.
And yes, sometimes fans expecting one SDE per year is being spoiled... to an extent. Of course to me it sounds reasonable, but the money put into these things front to back is a lot, and fans aren't the only ones buying them either. So - again that's a spoiled fan talking. It's what we expect, but the general public doesn't, and the estate is selling records to everyone. With the new Estate IMO there will not be another SDE like SOTT ...the new projets (reissues) will be far from our expectations and desires... I expect disappointment around the corner with the new Estate! |
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Reply #25 posted 12/11/22 1:38am
TrivialPursuit
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love2thenines2003 said:
I expect disappointment around the corner with the new Estate!
Then that's exactly what you'll receive.
Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking. |
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Reply #26 posted 12/11/22 10:53am
love2thenines2 003
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TrivialPursuit said:
love2thenines2003 said:
I expect disappointment around the corner with the new Estate!
Then that's exactly what you'll receive.
Yes like a lot of us ....i don't live in a parallel world !! |
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Reply #27 posted 12/11/22 12:18pm
LoveGalore |
love2thenines2003 said: TrivialPursuit said: I should add - I believe SOTT SDE was such a huge and anticipated release, that a full year - at least - for it to absorb feels like a reaosnable approach.
And yes, sometimes fans expecting one SDE per year is being spoiled... to an extent. Of course to me it sounds reasonable, but the money put into these things front to back is a lot, and fans aren't the only ones buying them either. So - again that's a spoiled fan talking. It's what we expect, but the general public doesn't, and the estate is selling records to everyone. With the new Estate IMO there will not be another SDE like SOTT ...the new projets (reissues) will be far from our expectations and desires... I expect disappointment around the corner with the new Estate! People will be begging for Howe back. |
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Reply #28 posted 12/11/22 2:44pm
purplethunder3 121 |
Well, I'm still very happy with the vinyl copy of The Gold Experience I got this year... "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Reply #29 posted 12/11/22 2:56pm
funkbabyandthe babysitters
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LoveGalore said: love2thenines2003 said:
With the new Estate IMO there will not be another SDE like SOTT ...the new projets (reissues) will be far from our expectations and desires... I expect disappointment around the corner with the new Estate!
People will be begging for Howe back. Need a petition. |
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