https://www.youtube.com/w...Funkatopia

Some people can be (seem) very composed on drugs. I'm sure his take is valid, but weren't "inner circle"-types equally resolute in rejection of painkiller allegations at first?

Now his interpretation as to why it was cancelled (regardless of ecstacy vs. no ecstacy, people on drugs still have specific rationale / reasoning for things, the ecstacy story was never the explanation of "why") makes sense.

At that period in his career he was kind of in a mode of "statement" albums, albums with bigger concepts and meaning, His Head of Security Mr. Davidson describes him as being in an odd mood in weeks prior and that night he cancelled The Black Album (again, ectstacy or no ecstacy, completely irrelevant, that moment itself being the catalyst) and shifted to Lovesexy era giving him a renewed energy makes total sense, especially as he was following up a critically lauded bigger statement album of SOTT.


The host does contradict this entire clip at the end summarizing The Black Album was cancelled for being "too dark" (which came from the ecstacy story, no?) after Prince's Head of Security just gave him an eloquent explanation without using the "too dark" sentiment any where in his response. No, not "too dark", "not enough purpose," like Mr. Davidson just. said.

Also it is total Prince to stress on "bigger purpose" for one album/era, then next album? Bam. Batman. You want purpose? How about some repurposed Anna Fantastic song--sorry, "Vicky Vale" songs? Black Album concept/purpose is like Songs in the Key of Life compared to that one.

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Hasn't the story always been that Prince tried ecstacy once, had a bad trip, and that lead him to cancel the Black Album?

Trying a drug one time, at some point in the past, doesn't mean a person is "on drugs".

If you try pot once, then a few weeks later quit your job, would it makes sense to say you were on drugs when you quit your job?

"Gilbert, Gilbert get the keys, u gonna have 2 drive, i can't, oh lord..."

Part 3 of IWUH makes alot more sense, now!

still a poor decision.

not just for the sheer waste it created (how many tonnes of vinyl were incinerated?).

but because most artists release an easier, 'smaller', less statement-y album after a big blow out like SOTT was.

thats totally normal.

an artist cant release a 'statement' every year.

and in fact, the idea of this being a club album, a black/rnb/funk album actually is statement enough if you ask me.

i think there were other reasons for pulling it like: being worried about seeming out of touch due to the lyrics on dead on it; this music, while great, was just NOT like what was ruling in R&B at the time so the supposed aim of it restoring his place in R&B would have seemed unlikely, etc.

I don't like the part where Mr. Christopher says, "... Prince did not take recreational drugs we know that um it's important that we not tarnish his legacy ...", as if that's gospel. I am more than capable of independent thought. Thank you very much. Prince tarnished his own legacy.

Is that guy really a journalist?

rap said:

I don't like the part where Mr. Christopher says, "... Prince did not take recreational drugs we know that um it's important that we not tarnish his legacy ...", as if that's gospel. I am more than capable of independent thought. Thank you very much. Prince tarnished his own legacy.

Is that guy really a journalist?

How is his legacy tarnished ?

His legacy was always about the music.

paisleyparkgirl said:

rap said:

I don't like the part where Mr. Christopher says, "... Prince did not take recreational drugs we know that um it's important that we not tarnish his legacy ...", as if that's gospel. I am more than capable of independent thought. Thank you very much. Prince tarnished his own legacy.

Is that guy really a journalist?

How is his legacy tarnished ?

His legacy was always about the music.

I was not referring to his legacy as a whole, however his addiction to (prescribed) medication and subsequent death are a stain on his legacy, whether we like it or not.

Fink said he was on ecstasy.

TrivialPursuit said:

Fink said he was on ecstasy.

Sourced from Anthony Kiedis by way of Cat Glover, apparrently.

I don't believe the story that he was tripping around susan rogers, cat and these other folks.

This is the guy who wanted to record his vocals alone because he didn't want ppl to see his vulnerabilities.

Whatever "experiment" he did, was probably done alone.

rap said:

paisleyparkgirl said:

How is his legacy tarnished ?

His legacy was always about the music.

I was not referring to his legacy as a whole, however his addiction to (prescribed) medication and subsequent death are a stain on his legacy, whether we like it or not.

Only for you over-the-top anti-drug arbiters of morality.

Similar to how a small % of his more overtly religious fans view The Rainbow Children as an abhorrent blemish of his legacy, you all only speak for a mere fraction of a fraction the fanbase, and really your criticisms speak more to you individually as people than Prince as an artist.

It could come out that he slammed heroin before every recording session and it wouldn't change one iota of his artistic legacy... Farley/Belushi speedballs, whatever, if anything that's even more impressive given his productivity.

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rap said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Fink said he was on ecstasy.

Sourced from Anthony Kiedis by way of Cat Glover, apparrently.

No. He told me directly.

TrivialPursuit said:

rap said:

Sourced from Anthony Kiedis by way of Cat Glover, apparrently.

No. He told me directly.

Clever (yet contrived).

TrivialPursuit said:

Did some E, either with Cat or Ingrid, possibly someone else instead but most likely Ingrid during an impromptu recording session at Paisley after they first met at a club, possibly already on drugs, and he decided to make music about love and positivity. He then either ran to a payphone mid teeth grinding to call Mo or called the label or Leeds the next day or two and made his plea.

Prince was already writing music about love and positivity by then, drugs or no drugs. It reads like a good story, whatever the details, but like there's another real story, and it might just be that Prince didn't have a big epiphany moment at all. There were always rumors it was a planned stunt or that Prince was just ready to make a change.

There were people on the business end of this who love to talk, and no interview has really got the details nailed down. Ingrid tells the story in detail, but it sounds like she's recounting a short story she wrote.

paisleyparkgirl said:

I don't believe the story that he was tripping around susan rogers, cat and these other folks.

This is the guy who wanted to record his vocals alone because he didn't want ppl to see his vulnerabilities.

Whatever "experiment" he did, was probably done alone.

Cat got him the E. He took it when he was with Ingrid.

LoveGalore said:

He wasn't on anything when he called in the cancellation. He was "on something" when he had the epiphany to cancel it.

^^^^ this

Cat Glover got the Exstacy from Anthony Keidis. The instructions were that Prince should only take half a pill because he was so small. Somehow, he ended up taking the entire thing.

He called Susan Rogers, after she had quit (tired), and begged her to come back while he was on E.

most people have epiphanies when on something, but then they rethink it when they are sober again. so its interesting that he had an epiphany then stuck to that. maybe he wasnt too good at taking drugs, so thought just cos he had that Big New Thought while on x, it was worth holding onto. or the thought was just one his sober mind agreed with.

LoveGalore said:

He wasn't on anything when he called in the cancellation. He was "on something" when he had the epiphany to cancel it.

rap said:

TrivialPursuit said:

No. He told me directly.

Clever (yet contrived).

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

most people have epiphanies when on something, but then they rethink it when they are sober again.

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MDMA (the active substance that's supposed to be in ecstasy) has been used in the 60s/70s and is now used again for psychotherapy precisely because it allows you to have insights, to confront your fears, etc. If you're in a suitable context (e.g. with psychotherapists), those insights will have some value (i.e. you won't "rethink" them when you're sober again).

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https://en.wikipedia.org/...chotherapy

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I don't know what happened in Prince's head at that moment and nobody will ever know, but it's possible that Prince discovered something important while on MDMA/Ecstasy. At the same time and especially if he took too high a dose, it's also very possible that he hated it, because he hates losing control.

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

rap said:

paisleyparkgirl said:

How is his legacy tarnished ?

His legacy was always about the music.

I was not referring to his legacy as a whole, however his addiction to (prescribed) medication and subsequent death are a stain on his legacy, whether we like it or not.

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Well, I don´t see it this way. Several music icons who are recognized as geniuses were heavy drug users and their music is still revered today. Jimi, Miles, Ray Charles, etc etc etc

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It´s a ´stain´ only for those who want to see contradictions between his spiritual/healthy lifestyle and drugs.

nayroo2002 said:

"Gilbert, Gilbert get the keys, u gonna have 2 drive, i can't, oh lord..."

Part 3 of IWUH makes alot more sense, now!

"let's see, if I tell Gilert and Jerome to meet me at 11 and I creep at 10,
that'll give me an hour of free reign - more drug - more drugs".





i kid, i kid

This site is obsessed with people doing drugs but i bet nobody is even on drugs.

WhisperingDandelions said:

rap said:

I was not referring to his legacy as a whole, however his addiction to (prescribed) medication and subsequent death are a stain on his legacy, whether we like it or not.

Only for you over-the-top anti-drug arbiters of morality.

Similar to how a small % of his more overtly religious fans view The Rainbow Children as an abhorrent blemish of his legacy, you all only speak for a mere fraction of a fraction the fanbase, and really your criticisms speak more to you individually as people than Prince as an artist.

It could come out that he slammed heroin before every recording session and it wouldn't change one iota of his artistic legacy... Farley/Belushi speedballs, whatever, if anything that's even more impressive given his productivity.

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Cobblers.

olb99 said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

most people have epiphanies when on something, but then they rethink it when they are sober again.

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MDMA (the active substance that's supposed to be in ecstasy) has been used in the 60s/70s and is now used again for psychotherapy precisely because it allows you to have insights, to confront your fears, etc. If you're in a suitable context (e.g. with psychotherapists), those insights will have some value (i.e. you won't "rethink" them when you're sober again).

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https://en.wikipedia.org/...chotherapy

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I don't know what happened in Prince's head at that moment and nobody will ever know, but it's possible that Prince discovered something important while on MDMA/Ecstasy. At the same time and especially if he took too high a dose, it's also very possible that he hated it, because he hates losing control.

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I know most Prince fans are from Gen X, I don't know how taboo ecstasy was for you, I'm younger and I have friends who have experimented with this drug. It's supposed to make you all lovey dovey. You see the world from a more loving perspective. A lot of people with anger issues have experienced a positive change in their lives after taking x.