We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Whuht??? i only post after a six pack, at least! "Whatever skin we're in
we all need 2 b friends" | |
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. I'm on caffeine every day. | |
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olb99 said:
. I'm on caffeine every day. And here I am, the only one overachieving on crack. | |
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. I guess we're trying to guess if MDMA had a positive impact on Prince? At the end of the day, it's all speculation. But my opinion is that we should at least speculate based on reasonable assumptions. . Knowning what MDMA is/is not, what it does/doesn't do to somebody, in that regard, is important. My personal opinion is that MDMA shouldn't be taboo and is way less dangerous than thought. As said, it's used as an adjunct to psychotherapy sessions and could be approved for such use by the FDA in a few years (or even 2023). It's also considered less harmful than alcool and cigarettes by some researchers. . https://www.economist.com...erous-drug . And, yes, MDMA makes you less defensive, empathic, loving, happy, etc.. . The more I think about it, the more I'm convinved that Prince hated that feeling in retrospect. | |
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We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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. Oh, that point? "ppg's drug-using friends' experience" matches what MDMA/Ecstasy does to people and that's the substance Prince is supposed to have taken. That's all. We'll never know for certain what he took and how much he took, but I'll accept Susan Rogers' story ("dilated pupils", behavior compatible with MDMA) any day over Davidson's version. | |
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JorisE73 said:
[Edited 9/28/22 8:05am] Davidson flatly denies this on the pod. Says he didn’t have that type of relationship with Fink, where they’d talk and he’d tell him stuff. | |
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So one of them is lying, right? | |
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In the end, only one was left lying. Letitgo "Whatever skin we're in
we all need 2 b friends" | |
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And this is how music legends who die legendary deaths morph into fabricated social media personas these dayze... "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0 | |
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Then you have Cat who confirmed on Michael Dean's podcast that she was there during the trip and said that it was a good trip that benefited him. | |
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Yep. Cat, Susan Rogers, Matt Fink vs Gilbert Davidson. That whole interview is weird. Saying the 1987 Black Album is kind of the same as the 1994 Black Album, but not the same. Saying Susan Rogers and Matt Fink said Prince was on something (i.e. took some substance) that night, but saying right after that "Prince did not take recreational drugs, we know that". Really? This is not serious. Some people really do not want to admit that Prince tried MDMA/Ecstasy once (probably) in his lifetime. This is ridiculous. | |
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shame prince didnt do more drugs.
the music he made with drugs might have been interesting. | |
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I understand why they would want to stress that because with the way he passed away, it would be too easy for people to assume that he was just another drug addicted rockstar when in fact, he used these painkillers because of his legitimate issues.
Whatever recreational drugs he might have done in the 80's are irrelevant to this case. According to Cat and others, he was in a very dark place when he experimented with hallucinogenics (it wasn't just one time) and they were not detrimental to him, quite the opposite, they led to his spiritual awakening, Lovesexy and he was happy again (Refer to the 1990 Rolling Stone interview with Neal Karlen).
That "Happy place" lasted until Graffiti Bridge and then he was back into angry mode safe to say he wasn't doing MDMA in the 90's. | |
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Yes the movie is terrible but he was in a very spiritually enlightened mode with it, talking about angels and all that stuff. | |
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(( I always love your keen observation of his lyrics concerning any subject. )) "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) | |
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IMO Black Album has its moments but its definitely not a Funk anthem. It has too much of an outtake feel to it | |
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I agree.I do enjoy the album but I never really felt that it is the big funk masterpiece that some think it is. | |
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" don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r." | |
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It pains me to say it but I fully agree with you on this. | |
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You'd have to suspend your disbelief something fierce to actually observe TBA as it would've been in 1987 though. You have to ignore everything you heard past SOTT. Would TBA have felt like a return to form? Absolutely. TBA is dark like 1999, corny and sexy like Dirty Mind and Controversy. Of course it feels like an outtake record by the time most people here heard it - that's precisely what it was and how Prince intended for it to remain. | |
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" don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r." | |
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Yeah, i am a Lovesexy stan so I think releasing TBA would be what the average genius would do - go back to the formula that made you famous before the white girls were your creative partners. TBA feels very much like an elevated version of Dirty Mind and parts of Controversy. And by then, critics were already reflecting back on Dirty Mind as his big hidden gem masterpiece which generated no real hit inexplicably. TBA is the same formula, same stepping up of the freaky shitz etc. Lovesexy is a whole new sound. It's a baring of the soul. It's a completely fresh take. It's the same quality of artistic pivot that he had been and was ever known for. Lovesexy is what you get when you take the pre-Revolution Prince, give him a lot of money and a high tech recording complex of his own, and a little bit of drugs. Incredible. | |
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Tba was the last time that 80s rudeboy prince took over a whole album, but in a more intense, kinda unhinged (he sounds genuinely obsessed on cindy c), and weirder. Its like an album out to up the ante on the darkest and most sexual parts of 1999. Thats why its good. But its also more musically sophisticated in many ways (not including bob george or dead on it lol) | |
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As far as we know, he never created music while under the influence of drugs. Alcohol, maybe? What I'm surprised of is the amount of sugar/caffeine he consumed. . Anyway, Lovesexy being my favorite album, I'm glad that whatever happened happened. The Black Album is an excellent album as well, though. [Edited 10/1/22 6:38am] | |
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2NU4WC is maybe the greatest instrumental thing he did. Def top 5. | |
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. For most, including me, the experience of listening to the black album is of course only in relation to Lovesexy. The disbelieve that a disappointing album like lovesexy could come from Prince and then hearing a great album like the black album (no matter the sound quality that I first heard it in, or the dreadful fusion of 2 Nigs) almost physically hurt. It forever changed my relationship to Prince's music... Paisley Park is in your heart - Love Is Here! | |
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