Roadhouse Garden, All my Dreams, Another world in a Day/Parade

All of these projects seem so removed to what Prince represents in my opinion. Good music but not funky at all.

Songs like "Big tall wall", "Raspberry beret" , "Teacher teacher" sound very Beatles in my opinion, is this what they were going for ?

paisleyparkgirl said:

Roadhouse Garden, All my Dreams, Another world in a Day/Parade

FFS

You asking "what's so special about The Revolution" in 2022, 36 years after they were disbanded, is what's so special about The Revolution.

mb71 said:

paisleyparkgirl said:

Roadhouse Garden, All my Dreams, Another world in a Day/Parade

All of these projects seem so removed to what Prince represents in my opinion. Good music but not funky at all.

Songs like "Big tall wall", "Raspberry beret" , "Teacher teacher" sound very Beatles in my opinion, is this what they were going for ?

In my opinion, they are exactly what Prince represents: an artist who didn't want to be pegged to a single genre, who didn't want to repeat himself, and who loved exploring music. Prince was funky, but that's not all he was.

Consider his first album wihtout The Revolution: Sign O' The Times. That certainly had some funky stuff on it. But it also had a lot of music that, while great, wasn't remotely funky.

TheBigBang said:

You asking "what's so special about The Revolution" in 2022, 36 years after they were disbanded, is what's so special about The Revolution.

That's the MFing answer right there!

It's a shitty hate-post for the sake of it. Clearly, The Revolution was special, or Prince wouldn't have included them in the biggest moment of his entire career.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

mb71 said:

paisleyparkgirl said:

Roadhouse Garden, All my Dreams, Another world in a Day/Parade

FFS

Kinda blew up their own discussion there. LOL LOL LOL

mb71 said:

RJOrion said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Also roadhouse garden/our destiny is one of the greatest things he made in the mid 80s. Idk how a prince fan could dislike it. The fact he recorded we can fuck in the same period shows he never stopped being funky.

Really ? it (our destiny/roadhouse garden) sounds like something that belongs to the movie "The Sound of Music".

It's funny because Prince became Prince for being experimental and edgy and I know he used Wendy and lisa to crossover but that doesn't mean he was being true to himself that's why he did the Black album to prove that he was still funky.

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never was a big fan of roadhouse garden. talkin' bout the road (road!) house (house!) garden!!!!

i like our destiny better purely based on the melody, but again... i don't know if it can really stand as its own song

paisleyparkgirl said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Also roadhouse garden/our destiny is one of the greatest things he made in the mid 80s. Idk how a prince fan could dislike it. The fact he recorded we can fuck in the same period shows he never stopped being funky.

Really ? it (our destiny/roadhouse garden) sounds like something that belongs to the movie "The Sound of Music".

It's funny because Prince became Prince for being experimental and edgy and I know he used Wendy and lisa to crossover but that doesn't mean he was being true to himself that's why he did the Black album to prove that he was still funky.

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Being "experimental and edgy" means that he made more than just funk.

In other words, you can't have it both ways. You can't say true Prince is experimental and true Prince should be limited to funk. Those two ideas are incompatible.

Kinda like the Monkeys or Beach Boys or UB40 or Green Day or U2?

They weren't the greatest musicians, but with the right direction, it was magical.

nayroo2002 said:

paisleyparkgirl said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Also roadhouse garden/our destiny is one of the greatest things he made in the mid 80s. Idk how a prince fan could dislike it. The fact he recorded we can fuck in the same period shows he never stopped being funky.

Really ? it (our destiny/roadhouse garden) sounds like something that belongs to the movie "The Sound of Music".

It's funny because Prince became Prince for being experimental and edgy and I know he used Wendy and lisa to crossover but that doesn't mean he was being true to himself that's why he did the Black album to prove that he was still funky.

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He never released The Black Album in 1987, though, and what he did release in 1988 instead honestly has more in common with your descriptors of a (roadhouse)garden-variety set of technicolor Revolution tracks or "white pop" ditties, straight outta Sesame Street.

The perspective you present is dubious at best. Whether he's intentionally trying to crossover to a white audience with Beatles-esque pop experiments or intentionally trying to win back his black audience with a bunch of dated hip-hop tropes / posturing that he did release many attempts at, can you really argue one is more "true" to himself, particularly when both attempts are as calculated and deliberate as trying to replenish his cashflow with the intentionally hits-landen Diamonds & Pearls or deliberate middle-of-the-road blockbuster Hollywood generic safe record like Batman ?

He set out to accomplish his own personal goals with each release. It's obnoxious to imply only the "funky" tracks were "true" to him. You shake your head when "When You Were Mine" or "Private Joy" come on on the pre-Revolution records? "I'm Yours", Rainbow Children, his multitude of girly new wave pop productions he "gave away" or instrumental records not count as "true", either?

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WhisperingDandelions said:

jazzz said:

. If you have to ask, you'll never know!

Funky motherf***ers will not be told to go-o-o-o...

There is nothing special about The Revolution! They were a back up band. That is all.

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The 28th instrument...

is this a troll post?

either way, its funny how prince gets always pulled between HE WAS PANDERING TO A WHITE AUDIENCE and HE NEEDED TO GET BACK TO HIS BLACK BASE when prince from day one never wanted to have just one audience.

why is it never that he was 'pandering' to a black audience? i mean, he was trying to do this numerous times after 87. and sometimes 'getting back to his black base' = bad songs. and sometimes 'trying to 'pander' to a white audience' = good songs. and vice versa.

just dumb binary arguments, even more so with this particular artist.

paisleyparkgirl said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Also roadhouse garden/our destiny is one of the greatest things he made in the mid 80s. Idk how a prince fan could dislike it. The fact he recorded we can fuck in the same period shows he never stopped being funky.

Really ? it (our destiny/roadhouse garden) sounds like something that belongs to the movie "The Sound of Music".

It's funny because Prince became Prince for being experimental and edgy and I know he used Wendy and lisa to crossover but that doesn't mean he was being true to himself that's why he did the Black album to prove that he was still funky.

[Edited 9/10/22 13:43pm]

sound of music is no bad thing. its yknow, one of the top musicals ever made.

roadhouse garden IS experimental and edgy. if you dont like its ethereal sound, fine, but this was prince showing he could do stuff a little bit like dreampop i guess.

as for W&L, he crossed over with little red corvette really as that was his breakout hit, and wendy wasnt even in the band at that point.

this idea that he wasnt being 'true to himself' is specious, full of guesswork and projection. when WAS he being true to himself? on for you? thats arguably the truest prince you get as already on the second album he was trying to deliberately score a big hit (and he got it). then theres dirty mind which most ppl think of as being when prince really became prince, but i guess that would be too 'white' and not really very true to himself right?

princes whole career is really about proving something to someone, whether its the first album, purple rain, SOTT, D&P, gold, emancipation, musicology, etc etc etc. the notion of prince 'being true to himself' is pretty shaky from day one to the end. he was often not 'true' to himself, its just about whether he did it well, did it his own way, and pulled it off or not.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

is this a troll post?

either way, its funny how prince gets always pulled between HE WAS PANDERING TO A WHITE AUDIENCE and HE NEEDED TO GET BACK TO HIS BLACK BASE when prince from day one never wanted to have just one audience.

why is it never that he was 'pandering' to a black audience? i mean, he was trying to do this numerous times after 87. and sometimes 'getting back to his black base' = bad songs. and sometimes 'trying to 'pander' to a white audience' = good songs. and vice versa.

just dumb binary arguments, even more so with this particular artist.

No one is talking about pandering. All I'm saying is that on this particular board I see a lot of posts about how Prince's music went to shit after her fired W&L and I disagree with that. Yes he had some good songs with them but that's it. He was doing fine with and without them.

paisleyparkgirl said:

No one is talking about pandering. All I'm saying is that on this particular board I see a lot of posts about how Prince's music went to shit after her fired W&L and I disagree with that. Yes he had some good songs with them but that's it. He was doing fine with and without them.

Oh please, such hyperbole. WHo has ever said that?? EVER? They were even on SOTT, so when did he go to shit? Was it the 2nd disk of SOTT? Sometime before Lovesexy? Ridiculous argument, I can't even take the declaration seriously.

paisleyparkgirl said: