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Thread started 09/12/22 1:05am

funkbabyandthe
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matt thorne on Wally

https://www.thesocial.com...tt-thorne/

This song is ok tbh
The myth was better than what we actually got
Obv if the original is out there than it might be better but until then ,it doesnt live up to the hype
RIP mr safford
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Reply #1 posted 09/12/22 5:57am

lustmealways

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it's good, a little showtune-y

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Reply #2 posted 09/12/22 9:55am

JoeyCococo

when it surfaced as a boot...I was underwhelmed. However, upon hearing it on the SOTT SDE, I was thrilled. I'm sure the story of the song helped but you can hear his total sadness in how he sings the song and the guitar solo...and all that hollering. naked.

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Reply #3 posted 09/12/22 10:00am

LoveGalore

It wasn't what I expected after the stories. But I agree that you can hear his sadness, and it is striking at the end when everything is howling. I struggle to think of a song he ever released that was quite so blistering.
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Reply #4 posted 09/12/22 10:16am

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old friends for sale is more exposing tbh than this version of wally

wally does have a certain sadness, but its also a bit showtuney which removes some of the raw feeling. it also has some pretty silly lyrics as well, which make it a bit of a weird song, all in all.

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Reply #5 posted 09/12/22 10:17am

TrivialPursuit

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I must've missed where Billy Sparks and Wally Safford were in-laws.


At soundchecks over the years, Prince had been writing a song that’s appeared on bootlegs as ‘Billy’ or ‘Billy’s Sunglasses’ but was actually called, Safford suggests, ‘Billy, Where’d You Get Those Glasses?’. It was about Wally’s brother-in-law, Billy Sparks, who had a minor role in Purple Rain where he was distinguished by his outsize eyewear.

The jab about Sparks' huge glasses makes way more sense in the lyric.

The song was very underwhelming. Yes, I know it was the second take, after he slept off those emotions, etc. But still, the nature of the song is sorta boring. I'm not sure any amount of emotion would've enlightened the listener anymore than the myth surrounding it for all these years.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #6 posted 09/12/22 10:58am

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It clearly didn't match the story, but I've come to appreciate it.

Agree that Old Friends for Sale, (and I'll add Beautiful Ones) are much more vulnerable, honest, and raw. Wally, the version we got, is too performative and it's like he's writing sad guy in a saloon lament instead of a real fuck me, expresion through song moment. Kind of seems like you could apply that story to any song like the original 17 Days Piano and Mic practice tape or whatever, and we'd be fooled.

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Reply #7 posted 09/12/22 11:21am

funkbabyandthe
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honestly, its like something that would fit on the vault OFFS album in the 90s.

im surprised he didnt dust it off with the NPG.

with some redrafts it could have been fine.

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Reply #8 posted 09/12/22 11:29am

LoveGalore

Well, my caveat was that he never released something quite as blistering.

Maybe you could say TBO because there's a bit of overlap there with Vanity leaving but she didn't leave him for another guy.

But the released version of OF4S doesn't feel too emotional to me and feels more of a showtunes put-on. I'm not even sure if I can feel much emotion in the original. I'd say Empty Room feels emotional but again he never released that version.

At the end of Wally, he's basically crying with his guitar and multilayer screaming etc. It's a pretty sad cacophony I'd say.
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Reply #9 posted 09/12/22 11:43am

funkbabyandthe
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the unreleased/bootleg version of OFFS is the one to hear. the released one was obv smoothed out and made less exposing. prince obv didnt want the original to be heard. the original warehouse recording of empty room is another good one in terms of his rawest songs, yep.

wally is an odd song as it does have moments of real pure emotion mixed with showtuney distancing techniques.

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Reply #10 posted 09/12/22 12:24pm

BlueShakooo

Since the official release, I have played Wally to several friends and acquaintances who are not normally interested in Prince.
Everyone listened intently (which they rarely do with Prince songs).
They all thought the song was fantastic.
And so do I.
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Reply #11 posted 09/12/22 12:49pm

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Wally is great. It captures what Prince was feeling. It's Prince being depressed and dramatic at the same time.

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Reply #12 posted 09/12/22 4:40pm

laytonian

I so wish Susan Rogers had done some studio trickery to save that original take.

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Reply #13 posted 09/12/22 4:55pm

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I'd love an official release of the ‘Billy, Where’d You Get Those Glasses?’ rehearsal, however long it is. (Mine's 50 minutes, but I think there's some fan loopery going on there. Even so, I like it.)

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Reply #14 posted 09/12/22 5:02pm

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dustoff said:

I'd love an official release of the ‘Billy, Where’d You Get Those Glasses?’ rehearsal, however long it is. (Mine's 50 minutes, but I think there's some fan loopery going on there. Even so, I like it.)

Listening again, when he slides into Strange Relationship at the end, classic.

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Reply #15 posted 09/13/22 3:23pm

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I think that it's perhaps a bit like the bootleg version of Old Friends 4 Sale compared to the one he later re-recorded in the 90s and stuck on The Vault...OF4S.

The former, original is one of his best, most emotional and naked songs ever. It's just stunning.

The rerecorded version leaves me totally cold. I listened to it, maybe 10 times in all, just because
I can't believe that any version of OF4S would leave me cold, yet it does.

Now, the original version, I have listened to, I'll guess, about 500 times over the years.

"if U're lookin' 4 dirt look in Ur own back yard / plant some peace flowers in Ur warzone so I can fire my bodyguards."
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Reply #16 posted 09/13/22 3:34pm

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laytonian said:

I so wish Susan Rogers had done some studio trickery to save that original take.

So I guess Prince isn't allowed any privacy at all. If it's too personal then it's too personal.

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Reply #17 posted 09/13/22 3:52pm

AvocadosMax

This is a genius masterpiece of a track. Up there with Sometimes It Snows In April, Power Fantastic, etc
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Reply #18 posted 09/14/22 12:08am

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paisleyparkgirl said:

laytonian said:

I so wish Susan Rogers had done some studio trickery to save that original take.

So I guess Prince isn't allowed any privacy at all. If it's too personal then it's too personal.

It seems that a tape=casette from the master(erased by Prince himself) has been made & given to Prince by Susan , but what we don't know if this tape is in the Vault or has been erased one more time by Prince after ...rumours heard here & there said that this tape would exist !

[Edited 9/14/22 0:09am]

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Reply #19 posted 09/14/22 6:36am

TrevorAyer

eye thought there were rumblings over wally appearing on the SDE that there were mulitple version maybe and what to include now as opposed to releasing later .. reminded me of the Nirvana with that Courntney Love wanting to save You KNow You're Right for the greatest hits when the band wanted it out on the box set .. it sounded like nobody wanted to admit out loud the other wally was waiting for it's own highlighted release and there may have been some internal argueing over it .. pure spectulation based upon what was not said but if the og wally is truly gone perhaps sinead could record a version and bring the song to life the way she did NC2U .. which didn't have much appeal in its original version either .. eye do like the SDE wally but it is easy to imagine the version Susan describes and how much better it probably was

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Reply #20 posted 09/14/22 11:37am

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dustoff said:

I'd love an official release of the ‘Billy, Where’d You Get Those Glasses?’ rehearsal, however long it is. (Mine's 50 minutes, but I think there's some fan loopery going on there. Even so, I like it.)

The guitar on Billy is scorching guitar. Never gets old.

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Reply #21 posted 09/14/22 1:14pm

Poplife88

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Wally lyrically is fantastic...and there are times in the song where you can hear he's hurting. But the music doesn't match the sincerity of the song imo. I am glad its out there...but have to admit it was a bit of a letdown after years of wondering...

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Reply #22 posted 09/16/22 3:43am

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

https://www.thesocial.com...tt-thorne/ This song is ok tbh The myth was better than what we actually got Obv if the original is out there than it might be better but until then ,it doesnt live up to the hype RIP mr safford

This is always interesting too me.

The myth is better, so maybe when nobody had heard about it before people would think its a fantatic song.

The song cant help it there was a myth.

Its interesting to see how much expectations have an influence on our taste

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Reply #23 posted 09/17/22 9:34am

laytonian

love2thenines2003 said:

paisleyparkgirl said:

So I guess Prince isn't allowed any privacy at all. If it's too personal then it's too personal.

It seems that a tape=casette from the master(erased by Prince himself) has been made & given to Prince by Susan , but what we don't know if this tape is in the Vault or has been erased one more time by Prince after ...rumours heard here & there said that this tape would exist !

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I'm pretty sure that cassette exists. Prince would have listened to it and decided it was worthy of a re-try. If it's ever released, it will be a big event. Iworry that when Michael Howe was let go, anything he hadn't worked on or had set aside was trashed.

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Reply #24 posted 09/17/22 10:47pm

kiowatrail

laytonian said:

I worry that when Michael Howe was let go, anything he hadn't worked on or had set aside was trashed.

Do you have any more info or articles about him being let go? Was it because Comerica is being let go? I heard SNJ want to move the music back to PP - is that part of it?

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Reply #25 posted 09/18/22 1:14am

FrankieCoco1

kiowatrail said:



laytonian said:





I worry that when Michael Howe was let go, anything he hadn't worked on or had set aside was trashed.




Do you have any more info or articles about him being let go? Was it because Comerica is being let go? I heard SNJ want to move the music back to PP - is that part of it?



Since the start of this year, Jan 2022, his Linkedin profile shows him as a Vice President A&R at BMG Music Publishing.
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Reply #26 posted 09/18/22 8:18am

funkbabyandthe
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this songs content doesnt actually matter anymore anyway. its basically become a prompt for journalists looking to rehash susan rogers account in per nielsens book to illustrate something about princes personality, that he couldnt bare anyone seeing him truly vulnerable, his need for control, etc etc

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Reply #27 posted 09/18/22 8:48pm

kiowatrail

FrankieCoco1 said:

kiowatrail said:

Do you have any more info or articles about him being let go? Was it because Comerica is being let go? I heard SNJ want to move the music back to PP - is that part of it?

Since the start of this year, Jan 2022, his Linkedin profile shows him as a Vice President A&R at BMG Music Publishing.

Thanks for the info. I don't think that means for sure that he's not still working on archiving the vault material with some of his time - unless SNJ/Londell or others want him out.

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Reply #28 posted 09/19/22 12:22am

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kiowatrail said:

FrankieCoco1 said:

kiowatrail said: Since the start of this year, Jan 2022, his Linkedin profile shows him as a Vice President A&R at BMG Music Publishing.

Thanks for the info. I don't think that means for sure that he's not still working on archiving the vault material with some of his time - unless SNJ/Londell or others want him out.

....from what we know M.Howe & Troy Carter are out of the game with the New team at this Estate ..Mc Millan's Team did not wish to work with them !

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