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paisleyparkgir
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what's so special about The Revolution ?

Roadhouse Garden, All my Dreams, Another world in a Day/Parade

All of these projects seem so removed to what Prince represents in my opinion. Good music but not funky at all.

Songs like "Big tall wall", "Raspberry beret" , "Teacher teacher" sound very Beatles in my opinion, is this what they were going for ?

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Reply #1 posted 09/10/22 1:46am

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Throwing it out there, but they aren't on Big Tall Wall. I reckon prince was still in his phase where he was appeasing white radio and W&L had a fruity way of writing. Not gay, but you know, fruity.
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Reply #2 posted 09/10/22 4:57am

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The Revolution helped Prince achieve more crossover appeal...especially visually
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Reply #3 posted 09/10/22 6:54am

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paisleyparkgirl said:

Roadhouse Garden, All my Dreams, Another world in a Day/Parade

FFS

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Reply #4 posted 09/10/22 8:47am

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You asking "what's so special about The Revolution" in 2022, 36 years after they were disbanded, is what's so special about The Revolution.

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Reply #5 posted 09/10/22 9:21am

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mb71 said:



paisleyparkgirl said:


Roadhouse Garden, All my Dreams, Another world in a Day/Parade





FFS


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This moment is all there is...
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Reply #6 posted 09/10/22 9:54am

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paisleyparkgirl said:

Roadhouse Garden, All my Dreams, Another world in a Day/Parade

All of these projects seem so removed to what Prince represents in my opinion. Good music but not funky at all.

Songs like "Big tall wall", "Raspberry beret" , "Teacher teacher" sound very Beatles in my opinion, is this what they were going for ?


In my opinion, they are exactly what Prince represents: an artist who didn't want to be pegged to a single genre, who didn't want to repeat himself, and who loved exploring music. Prince was funky, but that's not all he was.

Consider his first album wihtout The Revolution: Sign O' The Times. That certainly had some funky stuff on it. But it also had a lot of music that, while great, wasn't remotely funky.


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Reply #7 posted 09/10/22 10:31am

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TheBigBang said:

You asking "what's so special about The Revolution" in 2022, 36 years after they were disbanded, is what's so special about The Revolution.


That's the MFing answer right there!

It's a shitty hate-post for the sake of it. Clearly, The Revolution was special, or Prince wouldn't have included them in the biggest moment of his entire career.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #8 posted 09/10/22 11:30am

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Reply #9 posted 09/10/22 12:54pm

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If you only want funky prince then you have it.
After 82 though he didnt want to be only funky.
He still was ofc, but he was plenty more too. And like it or not they helped him achieve it.
Ultimately prince was always the real captain steering the ship regsrdless of his bsnds bit his bands influenced what hed come up with in different ways.
No revolution, no new position, no housequake even (a weird band breakup song), no tambourine, no love or money (im referencing funky songs).
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Reply #10 posted 09/10/22 12:57pm

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Also roadhouse garden/our destiny is one of the greatest things he made in the mid 80s. Idk how a prince fan could dislike it. The fact he recorded we can fuck in the same period shows he never stopped being funky.
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Reply #11 posted 09/10/22 1:05pm

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Also roadhouse garden/our destiny is one of the greatest things he made in the mid 80s. Idk how a prince fan could dislike it. The fact he recorded we can fuck in the same period shows he never stopped being funky.



Roadhouse Garden/Our Destiny is bland garbage...he left it on the shelf for good reasons
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Reply #12 posted 09/10/22 1:05pm

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paisleyparkgirl said:

Roadhouse Garden, All my Dreams, Another world in a Day/Parade

FFS


Kinda blew up their own discussion there. LOL LOL LOL

Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me.
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Reply #13 posted 09/10/22 1:28pm

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mb71 said:



paisleyparkgirl said:


Roadhouse Garden, All my Dreams, Another world in a Day/Parade





FFS


lol doh!
Cant believe my purple psychedelic pimp slap pimp2

And I descend from grace, In arms of undertow
I will take my place, In the great below
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Reply #14 posted 09/10/22 1:37pm

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RJOrion said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Also roadhouse garden/our destiny is one of the greatest things he made in the mid 80s. Idk how a prince fan could dislike it. The fact he recorded we can fuck in the same period shows he never stopped being funky.



Roadhouse Garden/Our Destiny is bland garbage...he left it on the shelf for good reasons


I like RG studio take cuz it's kinda like the opposite of Hello and they work great together on a playlist. One has like ALL CHANNELS LIT UP and the other is positively barren by comparison.

But I do think Our Destiny is pretty Zzzzz
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Reply #15 posted 09/10/22 1:40pm

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Also roadhouse garden/our destiny is one of the greatest things he made in the mid 80s. Idk how a prince fan could dislike it. The fact he recorded we can fuck in the same period shows he never stopped being funky.

Really ? it (our destiny/roadhouse garden) sounds like something that belongs to the movie "The Sound of Music".

It's funny because Prince became Prince for being experimental and edgy and I know he used Wendy and lisa to crossover but that doesn't mean he was being true to himself that's why he did the Black album to prove that he was still funky.

[Edited 9/10/22 13:43pm]

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Reply #16 posted 09/10/22 3:33pm

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never was a big fan of roadhouse garden. talkin' bout the road (road!) house (house!) garden!!!!

i like our destiny better purely based on the melody, but again... i don't know if it can really stand as its own song

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Reply #17 posted 09/10/22 3:54pm

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paisleyparkgirl said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Also roadhouse garden/our destiny is one of the greatest things he made in the mid 80s. Idk how a prince fan could dislike it. The fact he recorded we can fuck in the same period shows he never stopped being funky.

Really ? it (our destiny/roadhouse garden) sounds like something that belongs to the movie "The Sound of Music".

It's funny because Prince became Prince for being experimental and edgy and I know he used Wendy and lisa to crossover but that doesn't mean he was being true to himself that's why he did the Black album to prove that he was still funky.

[Edited 9/10/22 13:43pm]


Being "experimental and edgy" means that he made more than just funk.

In other words, you can't have it both ways. You can't say true Prince is experimental and true Prince should be limited to funk. Those two ideas are incompatible.




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Reply #18 posted 09/10/22 4:28pm

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Kinda like the Monkeys or Beach Boys or UB40 or Green Day or U2?

They weren't the greatest musicians, but with the right direction, it was magical.

"Whatever skin Ur in
we all need 2 b friends"
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Reply #19 posted 09/10/22 4:38pm

LoveGalore

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Kinda like the Monkeys or Beach Boys or UB40 or Green Day or U2?


They weren't the greatest musicians, but with the right direction, it was magical.




Sure. They were just his friends, though. They were the musicians and faces who were around and they showed they could get into the same groove he could and also look the part of the image in his head which was so very crucial to prince's presentation. Nothing about that was ever unintentional.

Had he picked these folks out of a giant casting call it may have been like the. Monkees, but this band grew pretty organically.
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Reply #20 posted 09/10/22 6:05pm

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paisleyparkgirl said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Also roadhouse garden/our destiny is one of the greatest things he made in the mid 80s. Idk how a prince fan could dislike it. The fact he recorded we can fuck in the same period shows he never stopped being funky.

Really ? it (our destiny/roadhouse garden) sounds like something that belongs to the movie "The Sound of Music".

It's funny because Prince became Prince for being experimental and edgy and I know he used Wendy and lisa to crossover but that doesn't mean he was being true to himself that's why he did the Black album to prove that he was still funky.

[Edited 9/10/22 13:43pm]

He never released The Black Album in 1987, though, and what he did release in 1988 instead honestly has more in common with your descriptors of a (roadhouse)garden-variety set of technicolor Revolution tracks or "white pop" ditties, straight outta Sesame Street.

The perspective you present is dubious at best. Whether he's intentionally trying to crossover to a white audience with Beatles-esque pop experiments or intentionally trying to win back his black audience with a bunch of dated hip-hop tropes / posturing that he did release many attempts at, can you really argue one is more "true" to himself, particularly when both attempts are as calculated and deliberate as trying to replenish his cashflow with the intentionally hits-landen Diamonds & Pearls or deliberate middle-of-the-road blockbuster Hollywood generic safe record like Batman ?


He set out to accomplish his own personal goals with each release. It's obnoxious to imply only the "funky" tracks were "true" to him. You shake your head when "When You Were Mine" or "Private Joy" come on on the pre-Revolution records? "I'm Yours", Rainbow Children, his multitude of girly new wave pop productions he "gave away" or instrumental records not count as "true", either?


[Edited 9/10/22 18:20pm]

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WhisperingDandelions said:



paisleyparkgirl said:




funkbabyandthebabysitters said:


Also roadhouse garden/our destiny is one of the greatest things he made in the mid 80s. Idk how a prince fan could dislike it. The fact he recorded we can fuck in the same period shows he never stopped being funky.



Really ? it (our destiny/roadhouse garden) sounds like something that belongs to the movie "The Sound of Music".



It's funny because Prince became Prince for being experimental and edgy and I know he used Wendy and lisa to crossover but that doesn't mean he was being true to himself that's why he did the Black album to prove that he was still funky.




[Edited 9/10/22 13:43pm]



He never released The Black Album in 1987, though, and what he did release in 1988 instead honestly has more in common with your descriptors of a (roadhouse)garden-variety set of technicolor Revolution tracks or "white pop" ditties, straight outta Sesame Street.

The perspective you present is dubious at best. Whether he's intentionally trying to crossover to a white audience with Beatles-esque pop experiments or intentionally trying to win back his black audience with a bunch of dated hip-hop tropes / posturing that he did release many attempts at, can you really argue one is more "true" to himself, particularly when both attempts are as calculated and deliberate as trying to replenish his cashflow with the intentionally hits-landen Diamonds & Pearls or deliberate middle-of-the-road blockbuster Hollywood generic safe record like Batman ?



He set out to accomplish his own personal goals with each release. It's obnoxious to imply only the "funky" tracks were "true" to him. You shake your head when "When You Were Mine" or "Private Joy" come on on the pre-Revolution records? "I'm Yours", Rainbow Children, his multitude of girly new wave pop productions he "gave away" or instrumental records not count as "true", either?




[Edited 9/10/22 18:20pm]



Well said!
[Edited 9/10/22 18:40pm]
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Reply #22 posted 09/11/22 5:43am

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jazzz said:

. If you have to ask, you'll never know!


Funky motherf***ers will not be told to go-o-o-o...

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Reply #23 posted 09/11/22 6:56am

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There is nothing special about The Revolution! They were a back up band. That is all.

[Edited 9/11/22 6:57am]

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The 28th instrument...

"Whatever skin Ur in
we all need 2 b friends"
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Reply #25 posted 09/11/22 1:31pm

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is this a troll post?

either way, its funny how prince gets always pulled between HE WAS PANDERING TO A WHITE AUDIENCE and HE NEEDED TO GET BACK TO HIS BLACK BASE when prince from day one never wanted to have just one audience.

why is it never that he was 'pandering' to a black audience? i mean, he was trying to do this numerous times after 87. and sometimes 'getting back to his black base' = bad songs. and sometimes 'trying to 'pander' to a white audience' = good songs. and vice versa.

just dumb binary arguments, even more so with this particular artist.

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Reply #26 posted 09/11/22 1:39pm

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paisleyparkgirl said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Also roadhouse garden/our destiny is one of the greatest things he made in the mid 80s. Idk how a prince fan could dislike it. The fact he recorded we can fuck in the same period shows he never stopped being funky.

Really ? it (our destiny/roadhouse garden) sounds like something that belongs to the movie "The Sound of Music".

It's funny because Prince became Prince for being experimental and edgy and I know he used Wendy and lisa to crossover but that doesn't mean he was being true to himself that's why he did the Black album to prove that he was still funky.

[Edited 9/10/22 13:43pm]

sound of music is no bad thing. its yknow, one of the top musicals ever made.

roadhouse garden IS experimental and edgy. if you dont like its ethereal sound, fine, but this was prince showing he could do stuff a little bit like dreampop i guess.

as for W&L, he crossed over with little red corvette really as that was his breakout hit, and wendy wasnt even in the band at that point.

this idea that he wasnt being 'true to himself' is specious, full of guesswork and projection. when WAS he being true to himself? on for you? thats arguably the truest prince you get as already on the second album he was trying to deliberately score a big hit (and he got it). then theres dirty mind which most ppl think of as being when prince really became prince, but i guess that would be too 'white' and not really very true to himself right?

princes whole career is really about proving something to someone, whether its the first album, purple rain, SOTT, D&P, gold, emancipation, musicology, etc etc etc. the notion of prince 'being true to himself' is pretty shaky from day one to the end. he was often not 'true' to himself, its just about whether he did it well, did it his own way, and pulled it off or not.

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Reply #27 posted 09/11/22 3:28pm

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

is this a troll post?

either way, its funny how prince gets always pulled between HE WAS PANDERING TO A WHITE AUDIENCE and HE NEEDED TO GET BACK TO HIS BLACK BASE when prince from day one never wanted to have just one audience.

why is it never that he was 'pandering' to a black audience? i mean, he was trying to do this numerous times after 87. and sometimes 'getting back to his black base' = bad songs. and sometimes 'trying to 'pander' to a white audience' = good songs. and vice versa.

just dumb binary arguments, even more so with this particular artist.

No one is talking about pandering. All I'm saying is that on this particular board I see a lot of posts about how Prince's music went to shit after her fired W&L and I disagree with that. Yes he had some good songs with them but that's it. He was doing fine with and without them.

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Reply #28 posted 09/11/22 4:08pm

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paisleyparkgirl said:

No one is talking about pandering. All I'm saying is that on this particular board I see a lot of posts about how Prince's music went to shit after her fired W&L and I disagree with that. Yes he had some good songs with them but that's it. He was doing fine with and without them.


Oh please, such hyperbole. WHo has ever said that?? EVER? They were even on SOTT, so when did he go to shit? Was it the 2nd disk of SOTT? Sometime before Lovesexy? Ridiculous argument, I can't even take the declaration seriously.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #29 posted 09/11/22 4:53pm

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paisleyparkgirl said:



funkbabyandthebabysitters said:


is this a troll post?



either way, its funny how prince gets always pulled between HE WAS PANDERING TO A WHITE AUDIENCE and HE NEEDED TO GET BACK TO HIS BLACK BASE when prince from day one never wanted to have just one audience.



why is it never that he was 'pandering' to a black audience? i mean, he was trying to do this numerous times after 87. and sometimes 'getting back to his black base' = bad songs. and sometimes 'trying to 'pander' to a white audience' = good songs. and vice versa.



just dumb binary arguments, even more so with this particular artist.





No one is talking about pandering. All I'm saying is that on this particular board I see a lot of posts about how Prince's music went to shit after her fired W&L and I disagree with that. Yes he had some good songs with them but that's it. He was doing fine with and without them.



Hmmm I think there's plenty of W&L critics here.
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