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Thread started 08/26/22 12:05pm

bwaaatch

A suggestion: is it time to remove the wall of warning text?

I mainly visit on mobile these days. The top of the forum is an imposing wall of rules — well intentioned but very heavy compared to modern sites elsewhere.

I wonder if we could consider shortening it, rendering it in a less aggressive way , or even removing it?

I understand that it exists to aid civility, referencing and legality. ‘Legality’ (in brackets, as I’m referring to Prince’s definition of legal, I suppose) must surely be less of an issue these days (does the estate really police us the way Prince used to?). I would argue that officious warnings don’t often encourage civility. Which just leaves he referencing (which I feel if the most important bit, but could perhaps be better put).

So how about it? Maybe time to focus on a friendly welcome rather that a potentially alienating set of rules?
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Reply #1 posted 08/26/22 12:22pm

paisleyparkgir
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I agree.

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Reply #2 posted 08/26/22 1:04pm

funkbabyandthe
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the pic on the

Iconic Auction "Prince" C...Saturday!)

headline on the front page needs to go. theres no pics for anything else except that one. looks weird.

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Reply #3 posted 08/26/22 1:09pm

nosajd

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I’ve offered to help redesign the site, but haven’t heard anything.
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Reply #4 posted 08/26/22 5:26pm

laytonian

This site is basically abandoned, folks.
The software could have been updated years ago so that when someone quotes, it doesn't show an entire page of old replies (because no one here knows how to cut and paste).
The link capabilities are gone, we can't even paste in images.

There's no need to redesign; they just need to update the software. If you want to see a newer, identical forum, go over to Lipstick Alley to see the new version.

Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me.
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Reply #5 posted 08/26/22 5:43pm

nosajd

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laytonian said:

This site is basically abandoned, folks.
The software could have been updated years ago so that when someone quotes, it doesn't show an entire page of old replies (because no one here knows how to cut and paste).
The link capabilities are gone, we can't even paste in images.

There's no need to redesign; they just need to update the software. If you want to see a newer, identical forum, go over to Lipstick Alley to see the new version.



Redesigning means a better experience. A better experience means new and existing users will tend to stick around longer. It’s not just software. Not even close. The site needs completely revamped to make it easier and more intuitive. As it stand now, it’s so dated per the examples you stated, that there’s nothing here to entice existing and new users. Especially bc of the vitriol and entitlement of existing users.
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Reply #6 posted 08/26/22 5:58pm

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laytonian said:

This site is basically abandoned, folks.
The software could have been updated years ago so that when someone quotes, it doesn't show an entire page of old replies (because no one here knows how to cut and paste).
The link capabilities are gone, we can't even paste in images.

There's no need to redesign; they just need to update the software. If you want to see a newer, identical forum, go over to Lipstick Alley to see the new version.

Yep, it's dead.

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Reply #7 posted 08/26/22 10:09pm

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nosajd said:

Redesigning means a better experience. A better experience means new and existing users will tend to stick around longer. It’s not just software. Not even close. The site needs completely revamped to make it easier and more intuitive. As it stand now, it’s so dated per the examples you stated, that there’s nothing here to entice existing and new users. Especially bc of the vitriol and entitlement of existing users.

The last portion of your analysis kind of encapsulates why a redesign is more or less inconsequential, though--dress it up with all the 2022 contemporary gloss you want, mobile app, mobile-friendly, emoji-laden, post-ratings, social media-integrated--it's gonna still be the same condescending, overly-semantic bordering on the "vitriol" from the old guard.


The same vitriol with better fonts and prettier buttons, basically.


Thing is, and this is stated as a teenager coming up a Prince fan in/around 2003-2004 when this site was even more intimidating, thing is with a good 20+ years of online fanbase interaction to analyze: isn't this just kinda the nature of the fanbase?


Even your reply to laytonian, liiiittle overly semantic/particular/picky/elitist with your calling out of "It's not just software. Not even close." Maybe the specific, "proper" terminology wasn't used, but in 2022 people transpose and conflate tech nomenclature more than ever, but one can still infer what they actually mean...


Now that's a mild example, but still reflective of the "general" fanbase on a good day. Even the LSA Prince forum has a similar "vibe". Kinda elitist, kinda acerbic, kinda insular, kinda sorta similar to the overall disposition/style of the dude's name that preceeds the ".org" portion of the URL.



And Lipstick Alley looks nice and all, but are they really raking in new Prince fans? Their Prince section is about as "active" as here....

[Edited 8/26/22 22:13pm]

[Edited 8/26/22 22:14pm]

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Reply #8 posted 08/26/22 11:13pm

nosajd

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WhisperingDandelions said:



nosajd said:


Redesigning means a better experience. A better experience means new and existing users will tend to stick around longer. It’s not just software. Not even close. The site needs completely revamped to make it easier and more intuitive. As it stand now, it’s so dated per the examples you stated, that there’s nothing here to entice existing and new users. Especially bc of the vitriol and entitlement of existing users.


The last portion of your analysis kind of encapsulates why a redesign is more or less inconsequential, though--dress it up with all the 2022 contemporary gloss you want, mobile app, mobile-friendly, emoji-laden, post-ratings, social media-integrated--it's gonna still be the same condescending, overly-semantic bordering on the "vitriol" from the old guard.



The same vitriol with better fonts and prettier buttons, basically.



Thing is, and this is stated as a teenager coming up a Prince fan in/around 2003-2004 when this site was even more intimidating, thing is with a good 20+ years of online fanbase interaction to analyze: isn't this just kinda the nature of the fanbase?



Even your reply to laytonian, liiiittle overly semantic/particular/picky/elitist with your calling out of "It's not just software. Not even close." Maybe the specific, "proper" terminology wasn't used, but in 2022 people transpose and conflate tech nomenclature more than ever, but one can still infer what they actually mean...



Now that's a mild example, but still reflective of the "general" fanbase on a good day. Even the LSA Prince forum has a similar "vibe". Kinda elitist, kinda acerbic, kinda insular, kinda sorta similar to the overall disposition/style of the dude's name that preceeds the ".org" portion of the URL.




And Lipstick Alley looks nice and all, but are they really raking in new Prince fans? Their Prince section is about as "active" as here....


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[Edited 8/26/22 22:14pm]



Fair points for sure. I agree with most of what you said.

Twitter, Discord, and YT are all prime examples of users spouting vitriol and elitism on the reg. Yet all of those platforms are significantly easier to use, which entices more users to tolerate the behavior and harness the tools of said site/platform for their own enjoyment. I’m a product guy, and it’s my job to make products more enticing for user interaction. There’s a lot of potential here even though there’s plenty of evidence to say otherwise. I’ve polished shittier turds with much success.
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Reply #9 posted 08/27/22 8:11am

lurker316

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WhisperingDandelions said:

nosajd said:

Redesigning means a better experience. A better experience means new and existing users will tend to stick around longer. It’s not just software. Not even close. The site needs completely revamped to make it easier and more intuitive. As it stand now, it’s so dated per the examples you stated, that there’s nothing here to entice existing and new users. Especially bc of the vitriol and entitlement of existing users.

The last portion of your analysis kind of encapsulates why a redesign is more or less inconsequential, though--dress it up with all the 2022 contemporary gloss you want, mobile app, mobile-friendly, emoji-laden, post-ratings, social media-integrated--it's gonna still be the same condescending, overly-semantic bordering on the "vitriol" from the old guard.


The same vitriol with better fonts and prettier buttons, basically.


Thing is, and this is stated as a teenager coming up a Prince fan in/around 2003-2004 when this site was even more intimidating, thing is with a good 20+ years of online fanbase interaction to analyze: isn't this just kinda the nature of the fanbase?


Even your reply to laytonian, liiiittle overly semantic/particular/picky/elitist with your calling out of "It's not just software. Not even close." Maybe the specific, "proper" terminology wasn't used, but in 2022 people transpose and conflate tech nomenclature more than ever, but one can still infer what they actually mean...


Now that's a mild example, but still reflective of the "general" fanbase on a good day. Even the LSA Prince forum has a similar "vibe". Kinda elitist, kinda acerbic, kinda insular, kinda sorta similar to the overall disposition/style of the dude's name that preceeds the ".org" portion of the URL.



And Lipstick Alley looks nice and all, but are they really raking in new Prince fans? Their Prince section is about as "active" as here....

[Edited 8/26/22 22:13pm]

[Edited 8/26/22 22:14pm]



Well said. Tech people do get picky if you don't use their preferred jargon. While I certainly understand how precision in terminology helps them understand and diagnose an issue, they should recognize that the general public doesn't live in their bubble and isn't well-versed in jargon. Using basic communication skills (i.e. using context to understand the idea the person is trying to get across), they should be able to figure out what the person means. If they do indeed know what you mean, but take you to task for not using their jargon, that's pedantic and nonsensical.



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Reply #10 posted 08/27/22 8:14am

LoveGalore

lurker316 said:



WhisperingDandelions said:




nosajd said:


Redesigning means a better experience. A better experience means new and existing users will tend to stick around longer. It’s not just software. Not even close. The site needs completely revamped to make it easier and more intuitive. As it stand now, it’s so dated per the examples you stated, that there’s nothing here to entice existing and new users. Especially bc of the vitriol and entitlement of existing users.


The last portion of your analysis kind of encapsulates why a redesign is more or less inconsequential, though--dress it up with all the 2022 contemporary gloss you want, mobile app, mobile-friendly, emoji-laden, post-ratings, social media-integrated--it's gonna still be the same condescending, overly-semantic bordering on the "vitriol" from the old guard.



The same vitriol with better fonts and prettier buttons, basically.



Thing is, and this is stated as a teenager coming up a Prince fan in/around 2003-2004 when this site was even more intimidating, thing is with a good 20+ years of online fanbase interaction to analyze: isn't this just kinda the nature of the fanbase?



Even your reply to laytonian, liiiittle overly semantic/particular/picky/elitist with your calling out of "It's not just software. Not even close." Maybe the specific, "proper" terminology wasn't used, but in 2022 people transpose and conflate tech nomenclature more than ever, but one can still infer what they actually mean...



Now that's a mild example, but still reflective of the "general" fanbase on a good day. Even the LSA Prince forum has a similar "vibe". Kinda elitist, kinda acerbic, kinda insular, kinda sorta similar to the overall disposition/style of the dude's name that preceeds the ".org" portion of the URL.




And Lipstick Alley looks nice and all, but are they really raking in new Prince fans? Their Prince section is about as "active" as here....


[Edited 8/26/22 22:13pm]


[Edited 8/26/22 22:14pm]





Well said. Tech people do get picky if you don't use their preferred jargon. While I certainly understand how precision in terminology helps them understand and diagnose an issue, they should recognize that the general public doesn't live in their bubble and isn't well-versed in jargon. Using basic communication skills (i.e. using context to understand the idea the person is trying to get across), they should be able to figure out what the person means. If they do indeed know what you mean, but take you to task for not using their jargon, that's pedantic and nonsensical.






It's not nonsense. Words matter and it behooves folks to afford themselves all the power and access that their phones grant them and just fucking Google it.
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Reply #11 posted 08/30/22 5:49am

gubbins4ever

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The Org is a special place and its longevity is a sign of the valuable role it has played. So, it would be amazing if the moderators would finally tackle the endemic culture of rudeness that has existed on this website for so long (unfortunately, sometimes perpetrated by moderators themselves), which has served no constructive purpose and has surely driven many folks away or discouraged them from posting.

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Reply #12 posted 08/30/22 7:17am

JorisE73

or go to Purpleandblack.org

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Reply #13 posted 08/30/22 8:19am

lurker316

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LoveGalore said:

lurker316 said:



Well said. Tech people do get picky if you don't use their preferred jargon. While I certainly understand how precision in terminology helps them understand and diagnose an issue, they should recognize that the general public doesn't live in their bubble and isn't well-versed in jargon. Using basic communication skills (i.e. using context to understand the idea the person is trying to get across), they should be able to figure out what the person means. If they do indeed know what you mean, but take you to task for not using their jargon, that's pedantic and nonsensical.



It's not nonsense. Words matter and it behooves folks to afford themselves all the power and access that their phones grant them and just fucking Google it.



Ideas matter. Words are symbols that represent ideas.

The beauty and practicality of language is that multiple words can be used to express a single idea. Contrary to what you believe, we are not limited to using a single word to convey an idea.

Communication is a two-way street. It entails both speaking and listening. If you're telling me you're incapable of understanding an idea unless one hyper specific term is used, then you may have poor communication / listening skills.

While a speaker certainly has an obligation to express themselves as clearly as possible, a listener has a reciprocal obligation to try to understand the message being conveyed. Refusing to conceptually understand a person's message because they didn't use your preferred terminology fails to meet that listener's obligation. (I say "preferred" word, rather than the "right" word, because language allows multiple words to be "right".)


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Reply #14 posted 08/30/22 3:57pm

rap

One or two mods have outstayed their welcome, so bringing in some new faces, and permanently banning Bort (who's gone radio silent) would be a good start.

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Reply #15 posted 08/30/22 5:01pm

laytonian

JorisE73 said:

or go to Purpleandblack.org


THIS. It's gained the new people that this deadspot has not.
I do think that this forum does a great job of music analysis -- something that P&B lacks.

One thing needed on both sites is to split "PM&M" into TWO forums:

PRINCE MUSIC (discussions of his music recorded by himself and others). Putting "associates" elsewhere dilutes it. Those associates DO/did sing his music. Why separate them?

PRINCE THE MAN (discussions of, well, him). Somewhat verbotem here but why NOT discuss him.

Sadly, P&B copied the forum structure here when it had a chance to do better.

Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me.
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Reply #16 posted 08/30/22 5:04pm

laytonian

rap said:

One or two mods have outstayed their welcome, so bringing in some new faces, and permanently banning Bort (who's gone radio silent) would be a good start.


Hell, MOST of them are doing nothing.

I got banned by one by mentioning an error s/he had made.

We saw another threaten people under one or both of their accounts. That same 'mod" here fished for "likes" to reveal some secret. They're off busy with their lame podcasts now, I guess.




Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me.
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Reply #17 posted 08/30/22 5:31pm

PennyPurple

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JorisE73 said:

or go to Purpleandblack.org

For sure, we don't have all this nonsense that is here on the org.

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Reply #18 posted 08/30/22 9:32pm

LoveGalore

laytonian said:



rap said:


One or two mods have outstayed their welcome, so bringing in some new faces, and permanently banning Bort (who's gone radio silent) would be a good start.




Hell, MOST of them are doing nothing.

I got banned by one by mentioning an error s/he had made.

We saw another threaten people under one or both of their accounts. That same 'mod" here fished for "likes" to reveal some secret. They're off busy with their lame podcasts now, I guess.






What about that one mod who went mostly silent after a while and then popped up only to sticky his own article whining about what he describes as mistreatment by Paisley staff.
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Reply #19 posted 08/31/22 12:34am

mb71

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If this hole is a morgue, purpleandblack is the bloody table after the autopsy.

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Reply #20 posted 08/31/22 2:39am

JorisE73

mb71 said:

If this hole is a morgue, purpleandblack is the bloody table after the autopsy.


pretty much

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Reply #21 posted 09/01/22 4:05pm

rap

LoveGalore said:

laytonian said:


Hell, MOST of them are doing nothing.

I got banned by one by mentioning an error s/he had made.

We saw another threaten people under one or both of their accounts. That same 'mod" here fished for "likes" to reveal some secret. They're off busy with their lame podcasts now, I guess.




What about that one mod who went mostly silent after a while and then popped up only to sticky his own article whining about what he describes as mistreatment by Paisley staff.

CaseyRain??

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Reply #22 posted 09/02/22 1:20am

JorisE73

rap said:

LoveGalore said:

laytonian said: What about that one mod who went mostly silent after a while and then popped up only to sticky his own article whining about what he describes as mistreatment by Paisley staff.

CaseyRain??


June7 I think when he was rightfully booted from some tribute show for filming or taking pictures or something. He posted a whine thread here about it how he was treated unfairly, when there were notices plastered all over the place that you weren't allowed to take pictures or film and he was rightfully and correctly handled by security.

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Reply #23 posted 09/05/22 7:42am

lavendardrumma
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WhisperingDandelions said:

Kinda elitist, kinda acerbic, kinda insular, kinda sorta similar to the overall disposition/style of the dude's name that preceeds the ".org" portion of the URL.



And Lipstick Alley looks nice and all, but are they really raking in new Prince fans? Their Prince section is about as "active" as here....

[Edited 8/26/22 22:13pm]

[Edited 8/26/22 22:14pm]


Yeah, pretending Lipstick Alley is the future of Prince forums is very Laughing Out Loud In Real Life.


I want to defend Prince on this. I can't picture this being his crowd (even though he almost certainly messaged people, and Prince seemed to like people like Funkenberry, so who knows).Prince's brand of petty or overall dispostion isn't the same even if it attracted this. I think it's more that the fanbase was brought up during two or three eras and there was a collectors aspect to it, and things like secret shows... it lended itself to this mood, and the tone was set from earlier message boards then never grew.

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Reply #24 posted 09/05/22 8:58am

OnlyNDaUsa

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for a while I thought that the estate might offer enough to ben to but site. But the site was on the down slide in 2015... most of what it had going was ended last year. (and I have to say I am okay with this)

"Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!"
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Reply #25 posted 09/05/22 10:55am

paisleyparkgir
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It's been 6 years since Prince passed away so of course it will never be super active like it was between 2016-2018.

There's nothing much to talk about.

There are many ressources for new fans : Youtube channels and spotify podcasts, reddit etc...

I personally think that the Prince youtube channels are doing a good job.

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Reply #26 posted 09/11/22 3:44pm

jeffreymiller

Exactly. If the people who own this site have no desire to make it better, turn it over to someone who does. I also agree with mods needing to be replaced. Thank god we don’t have to deal with that narcissistic, vengeful caseyrain anymore. I’d take Bart over his ass any day off the week. Watch this get me banned, oh well, only check in here a few times a year nowadays anyway…
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Reply #27 posted 09/11/22 4:52pm

LoveGalore

Where's all the stickies lol
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Reply #28 posted 09/12/22 1:52am

mb71

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LoveGalore said:

Where's all the stickies lol

They have been given a shovel each, and told to go and dig a hole big enough to bury the rest of this site in.

Goodbye all.

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Reply #29 posted 09/12/22 7:53am

lurker316

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LoveGalore said:

Where's all the stickies lol


Maybe the moderators misundestood the request to remove the warning texts and thought we were talking about the stickies.



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