LoveGalore said:

Who said it wouldn't be released? Are you.ok?

I think we assusmed that because the Estate said they wouldn't released unfinished material when they started out (eventho they have already released unfinished material.)

Be patient - which by the way I also am not!

Desire and impatience slowly turn to dispair, dissapointment and then anger and giving up.

Then I think, after 52 years The Beatles had their split, there's still music coming from them on a regular basis since they started (quite late after the split) to focus from 'The Beatles Anthology' on... just sayin'

There may not be very many songs that were even started, much less finished. Also, no one said it wasn't going to be released.

rockford said:

FrankieCoco1 said:

LoveGalore said:

FrankieCoco1 said:

MonoNeon is quoted as saying they recorded 6 or 7 songs in this article: https://www.spin.com/2021...ars-later/ And Adrian Crutchfield has mentioned 8 or 9 being worked, see quotes here: https://ultimateprince.co...new-black/

So then the answer to that question is that there really is no Black Is The New Black. It was a concept in it's embryonic stages. Releasing the sessions might be an idea although it's in questionable territory since it's clearly not complete. It would need to be screamed from the mountain top that this is a sketch, if that, and not a formalized project. This is in contrast to Welcome 2 America which, although still a demo (sourced from a CDR, no less), was in it's later stages of production.

The memoir was rather embryonic, yet the publisher and Estate still felt that they could cobble together a book with Dan's recollections of his sessions with Prince. It sold well. As such, they could just release BITNB as a 6-song album or an EP of the finished enough ones, and perhaps have companion liner notes written by MonoNeon regarding the sessions and plans 4 the new band.

i think you guys have the wrong idea re: how finished this "album" actually is

MadeUpName said:

Based on what (half) sister Sharon Nelson (the one in the weird blonde wig) said, basically "nothing that's been announced will be coming". She said that while speaking bible verses.

Hopefully, Primary Wave can overcome that. I fear Sharon et al would destroy any of his blatantly sexy music.

laytonian said:

thedawnofanewera said:

Black is the new black will be released when the estate will searching for more money. Black is the new black shirts, sweatshirts , coffee mugs etc oh yes and then the music. Just look at all the D and P merch out right now but yet no music. Lol!!!!

''All'' the D&P merch out right now?

Don't think so.

On the official site/shop there is just ONE t-shirt from the D&P era, and nothing else.

Just like there are 2/3 Parade merch things.

These are not indicating anything.

Then again, didn't Prince often work fast?

He recorded and finished his songs/demo's more than often on a daily basis...

Just sayin'

Vannormal said:

LoveGalore said:

dodger07 said:

onlyforaminute said:

We all know that PRINCE was famous for starting things and not finishing them, projects were all over the place, started and stopped, and even when I hear band members say we layed down eight songs, I say OK means nothing in Prince's world. I remember right when the shut downs due to covid were about to begin and St Paul Peterson played what was the last gig in NYC at the Iridium the day that broadway shut down and all. But I went to this show and I remember a lot of what Paul was saying about how youd get a call, play this, play on this, lets jam and you hardly ever knew was it going to be used even if it was said to be a new album etc... there were songs he played on that fans knew he played but he didnt even remember his part in it. So I think at this point it should be taken that way, how many things did he start and not really get much done with it, re-recording all his albums again? Road house garden? and the list goes on and on. I dont doubt that he had songs and a title for it, I just don't think anyone knew but him what the plan was. I mean tracks for this and that wind up on albums we never knew of, songs turning up decades after being first recorded, to expect there is going to be some kind of structured full new album that he did and mastered it or whatever and its set, I just think that is not going to be.

LoveGalore said:

onlyforaminute said:

LoveGalore said:

There was material. And idk how much Prince himself ever talked about this project, but he named half baked projects all the time. Heart? I guess only one person we know of would have heard any of that beyond Paisley Park staff.

I just wanna hear whatever is as unmolested as possible. 1, 2 songs is fine with me. I know he changed his mind a lot. But people seem to make it a flaky thing which I never saw his mind changes as flaky but more he can't execute it the way he wants it. More annoyingly picky then anything else.

The motivation behind his capricious changes-of-mind isn't relevant. Regardless of whether it was a consequence of flakiness or perfectionism, the point remains that, in Prince's mind, this was not a fully realized project. The point remains, there's a high probability Prince would have shelved these songs or repurposed them for a completely different project.

With that in mind, it wouldn't be disingenuous for the estate to market the tracks as "Prince's final project", as thought it was definitive.

The Estate would need to provided detailed liner notes filled with lots of caveats and qualifiers, explaining: A.) that these are unfinished songs that may have been included on a project Prince was vaguely considering; and B.) based on Prince's modus operandi, it's uncertain what, if anything, Prince ultimately would have done with them had he lived.

The simple answer is because it wasn't completed.

That said, I don't believe the Estates commitment about not releasing 'unintended' or 'unfinished' material, as they put the 'Nothing Compares 2 U', 'I feel for You' and 'Do Me Baby' demos on sale and I very much doubt Prince would have wanted 'Piano and A Microphone 83' to represent his output. It seems the Estate's choice of release is based on nostalgia for the masses, not the Prince's preferences.

SquirrelMeat said:

The simple answer is because it wasn't completed.

That said, I don't believe the Estates commitment about not releasing 'unintended' or 'unfinished' material, as they put the 'Nothing Compares 2 U', 'I feel for You' and 'Do Me Baby' demos on sale and I very much doubt Prince would have wanted 'Piano and A Microphone 83' to represent his output. It seems the Estate's choice of release is based on nostalgia for the masses, not the Prince's preferences.

the estate and prince fans are hipocritical or at least inconsistent about respecting his wishes

if they were respecting his wishes, no vault songs would be released, and no fans would be buying them.

LoveGalore said:

Vannormal said:

Then again, didn't Prince often work fast?

He recorded and finished his songs/demo's more than often on a daily basis...

Just sayin'

There's just as many examples of Prince not working fast when it comes to unreleased music. Who's gonna be the one to determine a song is complete without notes to that effect from the man who wrote it?

Actually plausible.

ANd possibly his work ethic changed over the years, one gets older, less creative etc.

LoveGalore said:

Vannormal said:

Then again, didn't Prince often work fast?

He recorded and finished his songs/demo's more than often on a daily basis...

Just sayin'

There's just as many examples of Prince not working fast when it comes to unreleased music. Who's gonna be the one to determine a song is complete without notes to that effect from the man who wrote it?

That's a hard one.
The bpootlegged version with teh reprise of God is Alive for example is on Rave 89 and that album is fully sequenced and could be released as is.
However some years ago I heard a sample of this exact track with much more choir vocals by other vocalists (I think even Patty Labelle and Milenia were singing on it) that Prince was toying with for a release on one of the later albums.
So does that mean that the Rave 89 version should now be considered incomplete? or just an alternate completed version?

lurker316 said: