I just love how so many people ignore the experience of some chick who actually went through something similar when she was young. Seriously, Fuck this B.S.

poisonmouth said:

Milty2 said:

Has anyone actually listened to the podcast? What do both of these women say?

Anna says she lied about her age when she first met Prince, that nothing happened on that first night, that they talked until six in the morning and slept in separate rooms. She also mentions that she had already done a photoshoot for Playboy in Europe before she and Prince became an item, and that she feels that she was taken advantage of by companies and people in the business, but not by Prince. Make of that what you will.

Hmmm....it's a tricky one, isn't it? Prince's music is part of my DNA at this point in my life. Most everyone I know knows what that music means to me but How does one handle this information if it's true that he groomed this woman? Do I just stop listening to his music? What does everyone do when they hear an Ike and Tina Turner song?

We also have to accept that R Kelly is sick yet millions of people still listen to his music. I never liked R Kelly's music in the first place. It's awful. Somewhere on YT, Jerry Seinfeld talks about how he can still listen to old Bill Cosby records and justify why they are still funny to him.

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Milty2 said:

poisonmouth said:

Anna says she lied about her age when she first met Prince, that nothing happened on that first night, that they talked until six in the morning and slept in separate rooms. She also mentions that she had already done a photoshoot for Playboy in Europe before she and Prince became an item, and that she feels that she was taken advantage of by companies and people in the business, but not by Prince. Make of that what you will.

Hmmm....it's a tricky one, isn't it? Prince's music is part of my DNA at this point in my life. Most everyone I know knows what that music means to me but How does one handle this information if it's true that he groomed this woman? Do I just stop listening to his music? What does everyone do when they hear an Ike and Tina Turner song?

We also have to accept that R Kelly is sick yet millions of people still listen to his music. I never liked R Kelly's music in the first place. It's awful. Somewhere on YT, Jerry Seinfeld talks about how he can still listen to old Bill Cosby records and justify why they are still funny to him.

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It's not tricky for me. Anna makes it clear that she doesn't feel that she was groomed. At what point do we choose to disbelieve a supposed victim's own testimony? When it exonerates rather than incriminates?

bozojones said:

Hoo boy, can't wait to see how some of the fans on here try to spin this. What Prince did to Anna and Mayte was pretty much textbook grooming. Doesn't matter that you like his music, doesn't matter that he wasn't as horrific as people like R. Kelly or Epstein, it was still wrong and really fucking creepy. The legality of him (allegedly) waiting until they were 18 to do anything doesn't make it better.

I love Prince's music as much as anyone else here, but you've gotta recognize the dude's shortcomings instead of sweeping them under the rug.

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Im already hooked up with six beers and a big bucket of popcorn.

so let the (un)justified and (un)founded or made-up opinions come in like a dog in heat!

Ready...

Set...

Go !

Milty2 said:

Omg the shit storm this thread is going to create.....

here.

have a beer...

laytonian said:

May I remind all you pearl-clutchers that the age of consent in Anna's native land (the UK) is 16.

He didn't have sex with her until she was 18.

"Grooming" - seriously?

Y'all Qanon Republicans need to look at your own relationships and how they develop.

Hoooooooooooo !

poisonmouth said:

purplethunder3121 said:

LoveGalore said:

GustavoRibas said:

I read somewhere that she said he slept on her bed, but Prince didnt want to have sex with her until the day she turned 18 (which made her very frustrated). Don´t know if it´s true, but that´s what she said.

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Anyway, it´s strange that Prince really liked very young teens in this phase of his life. Mayte and Marianne Cotrin were 16 or something like that.

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You read that in the article I posted above?

^nice strawman, you're the one defending a 30+ year old man for being attracted to teen girls though. Says more about you than anyone else.

laytonian said:

GustavoRibas said:

I read somewhere that she said he slept on her bed, but Prince didnt want to have sex with her until the day she turned 18 (which made her very frustrated). Don´t know if it´s true, but that´s what she said.

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Anyway, it´s strange that Prince really liked very young teens in this phase of his life. Mayte and Marianne Cotrin were 16 or something like that.

You read that in the article I posted above?

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- I read it in the link below. It is from a blog, and has lots of info, but I usually like to check the sources (professional journalism) before I am convinced, and I admit I didnt have time to do that yet.

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https://theiconicprince.w...urned-18/

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RJOrion said:

No one has yet to explain, why the intimacies and sex life of another man, whom most of you NEVER KNEW PERSONALLY, and obviously never will, is so important that you need to investigate, speculate, or get to the bottom of it...if Prince were alive today and you were fortunate enough to be in his presence, yall cowards wouldnt discuss this stuff with him or say this stuff to his face, without getting physically removed by security, or by him personally...some of yall are backstabbing cowards for real...and i have some pretty good ideas on why yall act this way towards Prince...someone says a disparaging word about Wendy & Lisa's music and some of yall cry foul, calling it racist, misogynist and hateful, etc...but skip to the next thread and the SAME certain people are comparing Prince to Weinstein and RKelly...Prince has never been charged or accused of anything that those 2 have...the mere fact that yall cant see this blatant hypocrisy, speaks loudly about some of yalls severe emotional and mental shortcomings

You summed it up again. It's the same mf's attacking over and over but god forbid you refuse to stand by and let the lies go unchallenged. Any of you Gods of fairplay planning to attack Elvis, Bowie, Steven Tyler, Jimmy Page, Ted Nugent, Paul Walker, Jagger or any of the other ... uh ...well... you know ...non Prince looking guys that have had confirmed relationships with under age girls (some as young as 13)? Hell Bill Wyman gets with a fucken' 14 YEAR OLD!!!

It would be simple if you just said what you really feel "I hate that this skinny, black mf was getting all this pussaaaa and I can't". You will sleep better and the hate wrinkles will drop off your face. Clowns.

Its funny how so many were around PRINCE or said they were, and then there were people that were around PRINCE the most in the last two decades of his life, one being Morris Hayes, and yet most say they never saw any of these people around Prince. So was PRINCE grooming a young female to be his wife, who knows, maybe yes, this seemed to be what him and Mayte were, and yet she has stated the simplicity of all their contact and respecting of her age and waiting till she was 18 to work with her. Are we ever going to know what PRINCE did, how many women in his life, who did this or that, who wrote this, or better yet who did he write this for, at this point the man is gone now, he has been gone over 6 years case closed

BalladofPeterParker said:

bozojones said:

BalladofPeterParker said:

You summed it up again. It's the same mf's attacking over and over but god forbid you refuse to stand by and let the lies go unchallenged. Any of you Gods of fairplay planning to attack Elvis, Bowie, Steven Tyler, Jimmy Page, Ted Nugent, Paul Walker, Jagger or any of the other ... uh ...well... you know ...non Prince looking guys that have had confirmed relationships with under age girls (some as young as 13)? Hell Bill Wyman gets with a fucken' 14 YEAR OLD!!!

It would be simple if you just said what you really feel "I hate that this skinny, black mf was getting all this pussaaaa and I can't". You will sleep better and the hate wrinkles will drop off your face. Clowns.

I can assure you the people who don't like Prince's relationships with teen girls feel the same way about those dudes as well. I know this is a crazy concept but maybe we're talking about Prince because... we're on the Prince forums? Hard concept to grasp, I know. Also I'm perfectly fine with not hooking up with teen girls myself because I'm not a fucking creepy predatory pervert. [Edited 7/6/22 9:40am]

Gosh your such a deep thinker. Your right it is a Prince site ... so why are the loons in here mentioning Weinsten, R.Kelly, Epstein in the same breath as Prince?? Why is his sex life such a panty twister for you and other triggered members of the "jury"?? Any answers? Sure you have all the answers because people with a forced narrative and agendas always have answers for things they think they know about.

poisonmouth said:

Milty2 said:

Hmmm....it's a tricky one, isn't it? Prince's music is part of my DNA at this point in my life. Most everyone I know knows what that music means to me but How does one handle this information if it's true that he groomed this woman? Do I just stop listening to his music? What does everyone do when they hear an Ike and Tina Turner song?

We also have to accept that R Kelly is sick yet millions of people still listen to his music. I never liked R Kelly's music in the first place. It's awful. Somewhere on YT, Jerry Seinfeld talks about how he can still listen to old Bill Cosby records and justify why they are still funny to him.

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It's not tricky for me. Anna makes it clear that she doesn't feel that she was groomed. At what point do we choose to disbelieve a supposed victim's own testimony? When it exonerates rather than incriminates?

I hear you and I dont disagree. I think I Was just asking from the standpoint of well she may not have thought nothing wrong happened but in reality, it was not ok or illegal or creepy or whatever. I mean, Prince was a rich rock star. That's a hell of an attractive place to be in when people are around you.

This is a complete and utter bait thread. I listened to the entire first episode (of two, the second hasn't aired yet) and Anna did not change her story. She said she and Prince did meet when she was 15 (after a Parade tour show at Wembley) and spent the night together platonically. She said this multiple times in the interview.

You are all arguing about a lie told by the OP.

Genesia said:

This is a complete and utter bait thread. I listened to the entire first episode (of two, the second hasn't aired yet) and Anna did not change her story. She said she and Prince did meet when she was 15 (after a Parade tour show at Wembley) and spent the night together platonically. She said this multiple times in the interview.

You are all arguing about a lie told by the OP.

Bait is certainly right. I guess the question is "can a 30 year old be friends with a 15 year old?"

Milty2 said:

bozojones said:

Hoo boy, can't wait to see how some of the fans on here try to spin this. What Prince did to Anna and Mayte was pretty much textbook grooming. Doesn't matter that you like his music, doesn't matter that he wasn't as horrific as people like R. Kelly or Epstein, it was still wrong and really fucking creepy. The legality of him (allegedly) waiting until they were 18 to do anything doesn't make it better.

I love Prince's music as much as anyone else here, but you've gotta recognize the dude's shortcomings instead of sweeping them under the rug.

yup. "he didn't have trouble sleeping with women his age." That comment someone posted here makes no sense. It's not about wether women want to fuck you or not. It's about the fact that you can't control grown ass women the way you can control teenagers/kids. It's about an unfair powebalance. And let's just be honest, Prince loved to be in control. I wouldn't compare him to R.Kelly but he definitely married mayte cause she was obviously easier to manipulate. She said it herself, she was impressed with all his efforts cause she had no other experiences. I can't deny that I cringed real hard when I read that. But she also says he never overstepped lines. Prince just wanted a "partner" that would follow him no matter what. A grown woman won't do that.

onlyforaminute said:

Milty2 said:

Bait is certainly right. I guess the question is "can a 30 year old be friends with a 15 year old?"

And I'll ask again. What the heck do you want from the fans regarding who Prince was sexually attracted to? I'm dying for someone, anyone to articulate that without grabbing at narratives that do not fit his situation? And it's already been said in this very thread cancellation isn't it. Anyone? With a brain of their own...

It's all good. We are having a debate and I am asking some questions. Can a 30 year old be friends with a 15 year old - and I'll add - which develops into a romantic relationship once that 15 year old is "of age"?

Milty2 said:

It's all good. We are having a debate and I am asking some questions. Can a 30 year old be friends with a 15 year old - and I'll add - which develops into a romantic relationship once that 15 year old is "of age"?

I think that's above the pay grade of this forum. Although I'm impressed the typical racialist baiting, and casual misogyny wait until page 3.

One thing about judging this is it's void of context, we're just using 2022 values. Both of them were in a strange fishbowl... in the 80's no lesss...and she was a teen model in a professional culture that had her present herself as much older. We can't know if Prince would still do it today or approved of his younger self. He wanted fans to think he had disavowed himself of aspects of his own art, right? He didn't stand by all his own choices.

The larger rhetorical moral question is obvious. They weren't just friends, because any friendship was based on mutual admiration. Nobody would get the sense she was a naive girl preyed on, but she wasn't the age of consent, and discussing what people think of consent isn't really this places forte.

Milty2 said:

Milty2 said:

lavendardrummachine said:

Milty2 said:

It's all good. We are having a debate and I am asking some questions. Can a 30 year old be friends with a 15 year old - and I'll add - which develops into a romantic relationship once that 15 year old is "of age"?

I think that's above the pay grade of this forum. Although I'm impressed the typical racialist baiting, and casual misogyny wait until page 3.

One thing about judging this is it's void of context, we're just using 2022 values. Both of them were in a strange fishbowl... in the 80's no lesss...and she was a teen model in a professional culture that had her present herself as much older. We can't know if Prince would still do it today or approved of his younger self. He wanted fans to think he had disavowed himself of aspects of his own art, right? He didn't stand by all his own choices.

The larger rhetorical moral question is obvious. They weren't just friends, because any friendship was based on mutual admiration. Nobody would get the sense she was a naive girl preyed on, but she wasn't the age of consent, and discussing what people think of consent isn't really this places forte.

This is extremely important. She mentions several times that the age of consent in Europe when she met Prince was 16. The age of consent also was - and still is - 16 in Minnesota.

We can debate whether it's creepy til the cows come home. But Anna states categorically that they were not sexually involved until long after she was legally able to consent so it's all moot, anyway.

Genesia said:

Genesia said:

lavendardrummachine said:

Milty2 said:

It's all good. We are having a debate and I am asking some questions. Can a 30 year old be friends with a 15 year old - and I'll add - which develops into a romantic relationship once that 15 year old is "of age"?

I think that's above the pay grade of this forum.

Now THAT is true